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Open Thread for Personal Stuff: January 2016 Prairie Dog Hug Edition

I love you, dog!
I got you, dawg!

An open thread for personal stuff. As usual, this thread is a NO TROLLS/NO MRAS zone.

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proudfootz
proudfootz
4 years ago

The Awful Green Things from Outer Space was a game that my family got into around the same time as we started doing D&D.

D&D started getting weird because there were arguments about whether people were playing their alignments correctly.

Orion
Orion
4 years ago

If I’m so paranoid about the one sought after body part I have, what would it be like if I were an “HB10?”

We should get an actual HB10 in here to verify, but I suspect you might be less paranoid in some ways. People get very uncomfortable when someone is into them for one very specific trait, like race or a body part. I think overall looks is a bit different. Plus, we look for explanations for less common events, not everyday ones.

I don’t know if conventionally attractive men experience this quite as much or not, but conventionally attractive women so often seem to be treated as prey objects by men.

Well, I can tell you that attractive men do get treated as prey by men on occasion, but i’m sure it doesn’t compare. Assuming you meant by women, then I don’t think it’s a huge problem. I have definitely been pursued by women and girls (starting in middle school) in ways that made me uncomfortable, but never felt like “prey.” That would involve more self-awareness of their part than I think was present, if that makes sense.

I personally can’t be having with these new versions of D&D

New as in 4th, or new as in 2nd?

I had some success running an online Ars Magica game on a forum called The Gaming Den a while back.

Weird. Have we known each other for years?

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@proudfootz

D&D started getting weird because there were arguments about whether people were playing their alignments correctly.

Indeed, that’s one of the things that ended up driving me away from the system after a while.

@ Orion

New as in 4th, or new as in 2nd?

I started getting cranky around 2e splatbook 16 or so, and none of the changes since then have made me any happier. I default to a kind of hybrid of 1st and 2nd ed AD&D if I’m going to use D&D at all, which I generally don’t.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

I need a prairie dog hug.

I’m going to set Bowie and Rickman aside, and stipulate that everybody’s upset about them.

Two weeks ago, our kitchen sink stopped up and we ended up spending hundreds of dollars on plumbers to unstop it and replace some of the pipes, which had sprung leaks.

Last week was the blizzards, which here in Tennessee weren’t so bad as elsewhere, but I got my car stuck on Wednesday. Fortunately, the hill it wouldn’t climb was the last hill before home, so I only had a five-minute hike and wasn’t stuck in my car like the poor folks on I-75.

Then yesterday my cat starts vomiting blood. We took her in for a transfusion at the nearest kitty ER, and her regular vet is holding her for observation tonight. He’s hoping it’ll clear up on its own, but there’s an outside chance it might be feline leukemia.

Can I take a mulligan on 2016 and start over? And while I’m waiting on that, I’ll share my D&D wisdom, for which I have not been asked.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

I’m down for anything Mammotheers can organize. My bad experiences with online gaming have come from those times when everybody else is in the same room and I am telecommuting: I have trouble understanding everybody at all times, and often felt separated if not excluded because it was hard to participate in the table chatter because the other players couldn’t hear me over themselves.

Also, it tended to wake up my children. Who have largely outgrown naps, except that whatever their grandma did with them this morning, organized around a reading time at the library, knocked them out cold and they both fell fast asleep after lunch.

@Orion:

I personally can’t be having with these new versions of D&D

New as in 4th, or new as in 2nd?

I started getting cranky around 2e splatbook 16 or so, and none of the changes since then have made me any happier. I default to a kind of hybrid of 1st and 2nd ed AD&D if I’m going to use D&D at all, which I generally don’t.

I’ve talked to people who genuinely think the Holmes rule set was a bad move … and then I cannot resist calmly explaining that it’s the same thing as White Box, but better organized.

I have a large GURPS collection, but in practice found it clunky and fiddly.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@Falconer

You and your cat are in my thoughts! 🙁

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

Thank you, @dhag85!

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

The vet’s best guess at this point is our cat developed a polyp in her nasal cavity that filled with blood and then burst, so she was bleeding into her throat. He’s going to try antibiotics and iron supplements.

Thank you for all of your good thoughts.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

So kitty will be okay? I’m cautiously celebrating.

Orion
Orion
4 years ago

Hey Falconer, long time no see.

Also, kids, man. It feels like just the other year they were infants.

D&D Nostalgia:
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My dad had a copy of the D&D Red Box. And a copy of Chainmail, for that matter. He came by it honestly — MIT undergrad. I never played anything older than AD&D, though. 2nd Edition either was out when my dad’s friend introduced me, or came out shortly thereafter, but we never “upgraded.” Partially because they had, as one does, accumulated so many house rules over the years they had practically written a new edition themselves.

Then WotC rolled out with 3rd edition, and it was a revelation. Almost all the best parts of our house rules were now in the official game, turned up to 11. It was exciting and radically different, and to this day I think D&D 3 is among the most ambitious projects ever attempted in the history of RPGs. It didn’t always succeed, but at least when it failed, it failed big. And from my perspective, it succeeded often enough to enjoy. I’m sure it doesn’t hurt that it came at a turning point in my development — I was just starting to feel like an outsider from the group’s decades of accumulated history, when 3rd wiped that away and gave me something to dig into on equal footing. Seriously, though, while I am normally pretty good at perspective-taking, I have trouble understanding how anyone who gave 3rd an honest shot wouldn’t see it as an improvement on what had gone before
—————–
End Nostalgia

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

dhag, the vet won’t rule out something malignant in her skull, but she tested negative for kitty leukemia, and she hasn’t done more than sneeze out a dribble since yesterday. I am cautiously optimistic.

@Orion, yeah, I fell down a Tumblr hole big time, and the kids are potty training. I haven’t done more than glance in for a while.

I got the Red Box at a yard sale, then jumped straight into Second Edition. I never have understood why people don’t like nonweapon proficiencies. Third and its revision were great, but maybe monsters shouldn’t have been detailed like NPCs.

I had copies of Fourth but never played. It was a departure, not just in mechanics but also in philosophy. Did you know that it discouraged lingering between combat encounters? I didn’t until a few weeks ago.

I like what I have heard about Fifth, but I haven’t had a chance to play yet.

My boy is playing in his bed. He hasn’t fallen asleep, and it’s almost midnight. Whatever hedid that made him conk out for nap, I wish he hadn’t.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Falconer
Here’s a prairie dog hug. Take as many as you like.

I’m sending you and your cat my wishes for the best possible outcome. Please let us know how it goes.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

THANK A DUCK, HE’S ASLEEP.

And thank you Kat, for your thoughts.

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@ Falconer
Best wishes for your kitty.

I have a large GURPS collection, but in practice found it clunky and fiddly.

It’s a pretty crunchy system by default, yeah. It takes considerable extra work for the GM, but I find it’s worth it for the flexibility.
@Orion

Then WotC rolled out with 3rd edition, and it was a revelation. Almost all the best parts of our house rules were now in the official game, turned up to 11. It was exciting and radically different, and to this day I think D&D 3 is among the most ambitious projects ever attempted in the history of RPGs. It didn’t always succeed, but at least when it failed, it failed big.

I was pissed enough that Wizards bought the property to begin with that I didn’t even look at it at the time. I find Pathfinder’s version of 3.5 to be tolerable, but otherwise it seems to me that 4th was an effort to turn D&D into WoW, which I would be playing if that’s what I was after. I haven’t even looked at 5e, because I loathed 4e so much.

@ erica, Ascendant
I don’t know about pickup gaming, but a friend might be starting a new long-term D&D game in the near future; her table is definitely queer- and women-friendly. ( There’s only one town in Oregon that big, so I’m guessing we’re in the same city, or at least metro area

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

@Dalillama:

I find Pathfinder’s version of 3.5 to be tolerable, but otherwise it seems to me that 4th was an effort to turn D&D into WoW, which I would be playing if that’s what I was after. I haven’t even looked at 5e, because I loathed 4e so much.

I have a theory as to why 4E was so radically different, and it all hinges on the death of the wandering monster.

In brief, no wandering monsters means the players are in charge of pacing. If the players are in charge of pacing, there’s nothing stopping the game from grinding to a halt as they poke every 10 feet of corridor with a stick, or to stop the wizard nuking everything in the first occupied room they open. Then the wizard is out of spells, so they go back to town.

4E tried to make everyone work the same way, so no one feels left out, and actively discouraged exploration, so the pacing kept up.

5E looks a lot more like D&D As She Is Spoke, but I haven’t played it yet. Everyone who has says it plays quickly and is a lot of fun.

Frankly I don’t care what version of D&D anyone plays.

Orion
Orion
4 years ago

And to think EJ wondered why the mammoths couldn’t get a D&D game together.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Sending warm thoughts to your kitty, Falconer, and to you and your fam.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

Thanks, Viscaria! I think we’re through the worst of it. Kitty comes home from the vet today, fingers crossed.

@Orion, I’ll play anything anybody wants to.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Orion:
Since you’re also an ex-Denner, you probably know the verb “to shadzar”, meaning “to complain that people enjoy versions of D&D other than your own.”

Best wishes to the kitty, Falconer.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

Today I finally went to seek help for my mental issues. They’ll hopefully call me back within a few weeks. 🙂

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

Pinkeye. Goddammit.

Good luck, dhag!

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@Falconer

Frankly I don’t care what version of D&D anyone plays.

I only care if I’m playing myself.

I have a theory as to why 4E was so radically different, and it all hinges on the death of the wandering monster.

In brief, no wandering monsters means the players are in charge of pacing. If the players are in charge of pacing, there’s nothing stopping the game from grinding to a halt as they poke every 10 feet of corridor with a stick, or to stop the wizard nuking everything in the first occupied room they open. Then the wizard is out of spells, so they go back to town.

See, there you go; I’ve never been one for dungeon crawls for the sake of dungeon crawling, and a system that’s designed for nothing else isn’t my cup of tea. Generally, I prefer that the pacing be governed by plot rather than rules; i.e. we can’t just take all the time we want because demons have kidnapped our teammate/kids are disappearing and we need to get to the bottom of it/the corrupted land is spreading, and soon it’s going to encircle the town/we need to find the serial killer before he strikes again/etc. depending on PC motivations, goals, and milieu. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with ratcheting up the tension/difficulty by throwing in a few extraneous encounters, but as long as the PCs have a motivation beyond ‘kill things and take their stuff’ I find that pacing is rarely an issue.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Falconer
Pinkeye? Poor baby. And poor you. I hope that it goes away and stays away!

@dhag85
Good for you! Wishing you the best.

Tovius
Tovius
4 years ago

I never had an urge to play D&D until I started binge watching Critical Role. (http://geekandsundry.com/shows/critical-role/)

@Falconer I hope you’re cat gets well soon.

Orion
Orion
4 years ago

Okay. I’ll throw together a surveymonkey or something, hopefully later tonight, to collect contact info for gaming mammoths.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

@Dalillama: Well, there I go, forgetting to account for different play styles. Sorry.

I do sometimes get tired of playing games where we have to rush everywhere. I had to ask the DM in my last game if Beloved and I could swap out our item creation feats because there wasn’t enough time between adventures to use them (and we didn’t have the alternate, instant-creation rules from Unearthed Arcana).