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Jack Barnes, MRA: Feminists “need to learn to fear retribution from us”

Jack Barnes:
Jack Barnes: “We have our hands on the throat of feminism. … This is the time to squeeze harder.”

Jack Barnes, a volatile American Men’s Rights activist known for his harassment of feminists on Twitter, is now threatening to unleash a new offensive designed “to strike fear in the hearts of feminists.” In a post on Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men bristling with violent language, Barnes declares that

we have our hands on the throat of feminism. This isn’t the time to ease up.  This is the time to squeeze harder.

The ostensible subject of Barnes’ post is a several-weeks-old piece on News.Com.Au by Australian writer Kerri Sackville about a road-raging, red-Jag-driving man who shouted “slut” at her when she honked at him for blocking the road. Barnes adds to the abuse, declaring her a crazy, misogynist (!) “cunt.”

The real source of Barnes’ fury at Sackville is a campaign she launched last December to “name and shame” men who sent abusive and threatening messages to women online using their real names.

And that’s what leads Barnes to what he says is the real “point of this article,” a declaration of virtual war against “Sackville and her fellow feminazis.”  He writes:

Here is what we do. We make it hurt. If they want to continue to do this then we make them regret it. They need to learn that their are consequences for doing this. They need to learn that we will extract a pound of flesh, figuratively speaking. They need to learn to fear retribution from us.

Barnes claims that this “retribution” won’t include physical violence, but he doesn’t specify exactly what it will include, merely suggesting that he will soon have the “tools” necessary “to strike fear in the hearts of feminists.” And by soon he means next month.

We won’t use violence. We don’t need to use violence. How do we make these feminists think twice before going all Gestapo on any guy who has the balls to call out feminism or individual feminists on their FemKKK behavior? Well I can’t tell you that right now. Lets just say a plan is in place and being brought into fruition as we speak. Expect it to be revealed before the end of February provided that everything goes according to plan.

Barnes then launches a preemptive strike on any even slightly ethical MRAs who might be “wringing their hand” [sic] over his mysterious threats, bluntly informing them that “this fight is about to get dirty. Deal with it.”

Barnes — using a rhetorical switcheroo common amongst MRAs — frames his threatened offensive as a defensive move. Feminism is dying, he asserts, and like many dying beasts it is lashing out against its enemies in a desperate frenzy. He predicts that

feminists will become increasingly more vicious. … MHRAs with lives ruined, imprisoned and dead is not outside the realm of possibility.

As he sees it, not just Sackville and her fellow Australian ally, writer Clementine Ford, but all “public faces of feminism” are fair game for “retribution” for whatever offenses he’s decided they’re guilty of.

You don’t get a warning. You all have engaged in this despicable behavior. You will receive consequences. Go ahead and whine and cry about the horrible MRAs threatening you. We don’t care. This isn’t a threat. This is a statement of fact. We will not use violence. But we will make you hesitate to ever do these things again.

Barnes apparently believes in some sort of collective guilt, making clear that he will hold prominent feminists “responsible” not only for their own alleged crimes, as he defines them, but for the behavior of what he calls their “mindless minions.”

This is not the first time Barnes has announced his desire to harass feminists into silence. Usually he remembers to put the word “harass” in quotes, as if this will be enough to transform harassment into something that doesn’t sound quite so bad.

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Usually, but not always:Jack Barnes ‏@Jackbarnesmra @Shotagonist @niaudesigns @TheFirstPaige no. We harass and abuse feminists. Bigots (feminists) don't deserve to be treated with respect.

Nor is this the first time that Barnes has issued threats that he insists aren’t really threats.

Indeed, I myself have been the recipient of some of these non-threat threats. Last November, after someone doxxed him and his family, Barnes decided that I needed to be held “responsible” for the doxxer’s actions, even though I had nothing to do with that person or persons, didn’t know who they were, and didn’t even know about the doxxing until I learned about it from a video by AVFM head honcho Paul Elam a day or two later.

I made it clear I knew nothing about the doxxing or the doxxer (who later ended up doxxing me). I condemned the doxxing, publicly and repeatedly. It didn’t matter: Barnes declared the doxxer to be a “cult follower” of mine, so anything they did was somehow my fault.

“I promise you David,” he wrote in an AVFM post, “that for the rest of your life there will be nights you cry yourself to sleep in anger and frustration over me.”

Indeed, he wrote, if anything happened to his family as a result of the doxxing, he would literally show up on my doorstep for

a face to face in person discussion … No cops. No lawyers or prosecutors. No judges. No jury. No hiding behind a computer. Just me and you. …

I don’t know of any parent that would blame me for stomping a mud hole in your fucking ass and walking that motherfucker dry for what you have done!

What I’ve “done” is to condemn the doxxing that Barnes blames for putting his family at risk.

Barnes is hardly the only AVFMer who believes in this sort of guilt-by-non-association; assorted others rallied behind him on Twitter, repeating his accusations and defending his threats. The title of Elam’s video on the doxxing declared bluntly that I was “Trying to Get MHRAs Killed.” How? By writing critically about AVFM.

Elam’s bizarre inflation of my carefully documented criticism of MRAs into an attempt to literally “get MHRAs killed” is not only jarring; it’s ominous. By pretending that the writings of feminists leave MRAs, quite literally, in mortal peril, Elam, Barnes and others associated with AVFM can justify almost any actions they might take against feminists, no matter how sleazy or underhanded or even violent, as a form of self-defense.

Abusers who think — or simply pretend — that they are the victims are some of the most dangerous people in the world.

 

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iat
iat
8 years ago

I’m not suggesting anybody should shoot them but if they met with a “tragic” “accident” I’d be smiling.
Just saying.

Vanir85
Vanir85
8 years ago


iat

chill. dude. wishing “tragic accidents” upon people is not cool. even when they are hate-mongering twerps.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
8 years ago

Is anyone else wondering when Jack Barnes will stop being so afraid of feminists?

Bazia
Bazia
8 years ago

@iat have you ever posted here before? Because you sound like a troll.

Eldacar351
Eldacar351
8 years ago

– iat –

That is out of line ethically. Being a huge jerk does not make one worthy of death I would think. They still have families that care for them.

banned@4chan.org
8 years ago

Can a 3D printer make another 3D printer?

Last I checked, the RepRap can make 60% of its own parts.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
8 years ago

iat, I don’t wish this piece of shit any particular ill, but I also wouldn’t care if he fell down a deep dry well. If that indifference makes me a terrible person then so be it. I’m not going to sit here and pretend that the likes of Jack Barnes contributes in any meaningful way to human civilisation or that the world would be worse off if he and his kind no longer existed.

Newt
Newt
8 years ago

@Max:

How many of the guys who threaten women on the Internet actually act on those threats?

Short answer: enough that the targets can’t be certain that the threat *won’t* be acted on.

See eg.
https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/24/angry-misogynist-murders-women-at-showing-of-film-by-feminist-comedian-police-worry-we-may-not-find-a-motive/

Earl
Earl
8 years ago

So it’s not a threat, but he’s trying to intimidate people into silence by implying that something bad is going to happen to them?

Pretty sure that’s the literal definition of a threat, Jack-o.

Also, obviously David had that person dox him too just so he could claim innocence. CLEARLY that’s what happened here. *rolls eyes into the sun*

Storia
Storia
8 years ago

What I find most interesting is that this guy is ranting about consequences, when that is exactly what is happening: he and his fellow misogynists are being forced to deal with the consequences of their hate, and apparently, he can’t handle that. So he acts like the feminists struck first, that THEY are the ones who must face the consequences, when the reality is, he’s just pissed that he’s been called out.

Mea
Mea
8 years ago

How about “May he get the Karma he deserves”?

History Nerd
History Nerd
8 years ago

Read the comments policy. Threats are not allowed here even if you’re just saying you would like it if something bad happened to someone. It’s usually better to mock people when they say horrible shit that infuriates you.

There are other places on the Internets if you want to share justice wank fantasies.

Orion
8 years ago

If that indifference makes me a terrible person

Trust me, it does.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

@Max,

I’m going to assume you aren’t trolling! Hi, hello, welcome, etc. Welcome package?

How many of the guys who threaten women on the Internet actually act on those threats?

See above, answered very well. Look through the blog archive for more. More generally, see the quote “Men are afraid women are going to laugh at them. Women are afraid that men are going to kill them.”

What I’m getting at is that from my perspective, focusing on women being abused online is like feeding homeless as long as they are white: we all have the same issue but it seems more important to solve it for some specific people. […] I have the impression that what women call online misoginy is women getting abused like guys have been all the time online.

[I first wrote a few paragraphs to reply here, but it got big and overwroght and clunky. Here’s something more bite-sized.]

Your personal impression is just that – a personal impression, formed from the position in which you live. Your personal impression would be very different if you were in different circumstances.

Throw it out. Don’t let it bias your opinions (as much as that is possible). There’s a distinct and visible difference in timbre between harassment towards men and harassment towards women.

The only time I can recall an innocent man being raked through the coals of internet hate to the degree of a prominent feminist voice is when a man speaks up in support of aforementioned prominent feminist voices.

Look through the archives here. It’s not pretty. Thank goodness for David, who sanitizes this garbage somewhat for us, and injects some much needed humour.

Please, reply! I look forward to reading your interpretation.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Max,
Elliott Rodger posted a threatening manifesto YouTube. Threats are never serious. Until they are. Should we wait for a “troll” to actually act on their threats before we take action? Or should we take these threats seriously and actually prevent a tragedy?

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
8 years ago

Hi Max

Misogynistic threats = threatening someone for being a woman/pro women. It’s a different animal to online disagreements. I’ve gotten the “I’ll find you and bury you” threats for disagreeing with someone. It wasn’t a misogynistic threat. I’ve also gotten the sort of threats that are made based on my gender.

I hope that helps.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
8 years ago

Also, misogyny has absolutely been a motive for killings. How can you have missed that?

dhag85
8 years ago

@Max

We’re talking about a group of people, mostly men, who systematically harass, abuse, and threaten another group of people (women). They adhere to an ideology in which women need to do as they’re told (by men), or else they deserve to be harmed.

How in the fuck is any of this comparable to online gamer kids yelling at each other? I want to believe you’re posting in good faith, but I just can’t.

EDIT: Mostly ninja’d by Leda Atomica.

Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
8 years ago

He’s just another insecure male…

But he’s abusive, and he has a family, and that truly scares me more than any threat he’d make towards me. Who knows what hell those kids and wife are going through living with a man who, because of his mediocre life and insecurity, who could possibly explode into fits of violence.

I should know because I had to live under an abusive step father who was much the same; always making threats, and generally not anyone who was good at anything and rather insecure, but he always had moments in which he got violent.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ Max

Here’s a little experiment you might like to try.

You say you’re into on-line gaming. When you do that, do you make it obvious you’re male?

If so, play for a bit like that and note the tone of the insults/threats you get.

Then play on-line but giving the impression you’re female.

I suspect you’ll see a significant difference in tone and intensity of the abuse.

That might give you an insight into the particular problems women face; and why it’s more serious.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
8 years ago

@Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur

I have similar worries about his family. For that matter, how many MRAs have we seen or heard about who take their frustrations out on their families even though those same MRAs insist that it’s feminists who are to blame?

For some MRAs, their wives are never going to be “traditional” enough. A dedicated abuser will always find some excuse to be abusive.

Orion
8 years ago

Max,

role reversals like what Alan suggests can be good exercises in empathy,but if you do try one, try to imagine keeping it up for a lot longer than you actually do, or being unable to quit. One danger of asking men to imitate or poses as women is that the joy of novelty and make-believe sometimes makes it quite enjoyable in small doses. From what my friends say, the hardest part of being a woman online is going through the same issues again and again and again.

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

@Alan
Actually I’ll have to disagree with this advice. I’ve spent a lot of time in online games, and the way men who act like women are treated us different from how actual women are treated. For example, my male guild mates who played female toons in MMOs would act “feminine” (read: childlike, helpless, and flirty) and get really positive responses from other guys, like free gear and gold, invites to groups that are way higher level, etc.

Instead, I would recommend just having a female avatar and name and acting normal. It should be enlightening.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

@Alan, Max

Yes, that. Do that. Alan’s advice is spot on (as always). Spend a few days with a name that’s obviously feminine, see what it’s like. There’s no substitution for trying on a different pair of shoes for awhile to see how they fit.

edit – The following advice is also good, I was maybe misinterpreting or not being clear! Don’t go in and pretend to be a stereotypical girly-girl. Just be you with a feminine-coded name, and don’t drop hints about your gender.

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
8 years ago

Kay:I
I saw that story on another site. I think the key word in that story is

“Entitlement”

and is entirely appropriate for this post.

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