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Jack Barnes, MRA: Feminists “need to learn to fear retribution from us”

Jack Barnes:
Jack Barnes: “We have our hands on the throat of feminism. … This is the time to squeeze harder.”

Jack Barnes, a volatile American Men’s Rights activist known for his harassment of feminists on Twitter, is now threatening to unleash a new offensive designed “to strike fear in the hearts of feminists.” In a post on Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men bristling with violent language, Barnes declares that

we have our hands on the throat of feminism. This isn’t the time to ease up.  This is the time to squeeze harder.

The ostensible subject of Barnes’ post is a several-weeks-old piece on News.Com.Au by Australian writer Kerri Sackville about a road-raging, red-Jag-driving man who shouted “slut” at her when she honked at him for blocking the road. Barnes adds to the abuse, declaring her a crazy, misogynist (!) “cunt.”

The real source of Barnes’ fury at Sackville is a campaign she launched last December to “name and shame” men who sent abusive and threatening messages to women online using their real names.

And that’s what leads Barnes to what he says is the real “point of this article,” a declaration of virtual war against “Sackville and her fellow feminazis.”  He writes:

Here is what we do. We make it hurt. If they want to continue to do this then we make them regret it. They need to learn that their are consequences for doing this. They need to learn that we will extract a pound of flesh, figuratively speaking. They need to learn to fear retribution from us.

Barnes claims that this “retribution” won’t include physical violence, but he doesn’t specify exactly what it will include, merely suggesting that he will soon have the “tools” necessary “to strike fear in the hearts of feminists.” And by soon he means next month.

We won’t use violence. We don’t need to use violence. How do we make these feminists think twice before going all Gestapo on any guy who has the balls to call out feminism or individual feminists on their FemKKK behavior? Well I can’t tell you that right now. Lets just say a plan is in place and being brought into fruition as we speak. Expect it to be revealed before the end of February provided that everything goes according to plan.

Barnes then launches a preemptive strike on any even slightly ethical MRAs who might be “wringing their hand” [sic] over his mysterious threats, bluntly informing them that “this fight is about to get dirty. Deal with it.”

Barnes — using a rhetorical switcheroo common amongst MRAs — frames his threatened offensive as a defensive move. Feminism is dying, he asserts, and like many dying beasts it is lashing out against its enemies in a desperate frenzy. He predicts that

feminists will become increasingly more vicious. … MHRAs with lives ruined, imprisoned and dead is not outside the realm of possibility.

As he sees it, not just Sackville and her fellow Australian ally, writer Clementine Ford, but all “public faces of feminism” are fair game for “retribution” for whatever offenses he’s decided they’re guilty of.

You don’t get a warning. You all have engaged in this despicable behavior. You will receive consequences. Go ahead and whine and cry about the horrible MRAs threatening you. We don’t care. This isn’t a threat. This is a statement of fact. We will not use violence. But we will make you hesitate to ever do these things again.

Barnes apparently believes in some sort of collective guilt, making clear that he will hold prominent feminists “responsible” not only for their own alleged crimes, as he defines them, but for the behavior of what he calls their “mindless minions.”

This is not the first time Barnes has announced his desire to harass feminists into silence. Usually he remembers to put the word “harass” in quotes, as if this will be enough to transform harassment into something that doesn’t sound quite so bad.

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Usually, but not always:Jack Barnes ‏@Jackbarnesmra @Shotagonist @niaudesigns @TheFirstPaige no. We harass and abuse feminists. Bigots (feminists) don't deserve to be treated with respect.

Nor is this the first time that Barnes has issued threats that he insists aren’t really threats.

Indeed, I myself have been the recipient of some of these non-threat threats. Last November, after someone doxxed him and his family, Barnes decided that I needed to be held “responsible” for the doxxer’s actions, even though I had nothing to do with that person or persons, didn’t know who they were, and didn’t even know about the doxxing until I learned about it from a video by AVFM head honcho Paul Elam a day or two later.

I made it clear I knew nothing about the doxxing or the doxxer (who later ended up doxxing me). I condemned the doxxing, publicly and repeatedly. It didn’t matter: Barnes declared the doxxer to be a “cult follower” of mine, so anything they did was somehow my fault.

“I promise you David,” he wrote in an AVFM post, “that for the rest of your life there will be nights you cry yourself to sleep in anger and frustration over me.”

Indeed, he wrote, if anything happened to his family as a result of the doxxing, he would literally show up on my doorstep for

a face to face in person discussion … No cops. No lawyers or prosecutors. No judges. No jury. No hiding behind a computer. Just me and you. …

I don’t know of any parent that would blame me for stomping a mud hole in your fucking ass and walking that motherfucker dry for what you have done!

What I’ve “done” is to condemn the doxxing that Barnes blames for putting his family at risk.

Barnes is hardly the only AVFMer who believes in this sort of guilt-by-non-association; assorted others rallied behind him on Twitter, repeating his accusations and defending his threats. The title of Elam’s video on the doxxing declared bluntly that I was “Trying to Get MHRAs Killed.” How? By writing critically about AVFM.

Elam’s bizarre inflation of my carefully documented criticism of MRAs into an attempt to literally “get MHRAs killed” is not only jarring; it’s ominous. By pretending that the writings of feminists leave MRAs, quite literally, in mortal peril, Elam, Barnes and others associated with AVFM can justify almost any actions they might take against feminists, no matter how sleazy or underhanded or even violent, as a form of self-defense.

Abusers who think — or simply pretend — that they are the victims are some of the most dangerous people in the world.

 

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Orion
8 years ago

WWTH,

I don’t know if this makes you feel better or worse, but I honestly do think that I spot the bad faith posters about as quickly as you do. I just choose to treat them as people of good faith until they reveal their true forms because it amuses me.

Max
Max
8 years ago

Dear, you’re not doing anything new or unusual. Claiming that English isn’t your first language only after you’ve been handed your ass is a very common troll tactic.

So, come on, let’s hear about that doctorate now.

LOL this is getting seriously ridiculous. There’s 70 million French in the world, so even though we’re a beep on the radar, we’re not exactly rare either. I said I’m French because I used “to interrogate” like “interroger”, which means both “asking a question” and “interrogating”. I had no clue that “to interrogate” is only hostile.

And since I want you to stop embarrassing yourself with that unfunny doctorate joke, I don’t have any.

Orion
8 years ago

That is a very specific level of ignorance.

EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

Max:
I believe that you’re French. As you point out, it’s no great stretch to believe it: I’m sleeping with a French person at the moment. They do exist.

However, English is not my first language either and yet somehow I manage.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
8 years ago

Not embarrassed, dear. Just amused by your paint-by-numbers approach to trolling. You really think you’re being clever, don’t you?

Max
Max
8 years ago

However, English is not my first language either and yet somehow I manage.

Dude seriously, I pointed that out for my incorrect use of ONE word and then I figured I might not have been clear on the rest. I’m not asking for special treatment, but having people go insane and suddenly pile up because they assume you have to be arguing in bad faith and that they have one of the “enemies” gets freaky at some point.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
8 years ago

I’m not asking for special treatment

Now that is definitely something Slavey or the Boston Baby would say. Congratulations, troll – you just managed to be funny!

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

I don’t know if this makes you feel better or worse, but I honestly do think that I spot the bad faith posters about as quickly as you do. I just choose to treat them as people of good faith until they reveal their true forms because it amuses me.

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but having people go insane

http://i.imgur.com/eVNrdel.gif

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

Mon dieu.

We talked about insane already. Well, I talked and you ignored. Seriously, read the comment policy. It’s right next to the post box, highlighted in yellow.

A Land Whale
A Land Whale
8 years ago

What’s this weird obsession MRAs have with women “imprisoning” them “just for being men.” That has never happened. Ever. Yet, they all repeat it over and over like some kind of nervous tick. WTF?!

Zeb Berryman
Zeb Berryman
8 years ago

Oh yeah I’m sure its a “Metaphorical” pound of flesh.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

@Max, seriously. If you want to be part of the team, you’ve gotta stop replying to peoples’ anger with anger of your own. It makes you look like a troll, even if that’s not your intention (intent isn’t magic, etc).

@WWTH

I am really bad at troll detection! Thanks for your patience. And you’re right about the correct responses to take when one causes upset.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
8 years ago

Usually I’m not much good at troll detection because I’m away or asleep when they pop up. Bah.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
8 years ago

@Max
If you plan on visiting this site and commenting here, I suggest that you :
a) Drop this conversation. If you’re not a troll, you shouldn’t have trouble mixing with the commenters in other posts. I argued with a commenter before, sorta-apologized (I was embarrassed :B), dropped the conversation, avoided repeating what I did that bothered them, and I think I got good results.
b) Not call people ‘crazy’, ‘insane’, etc. It’s right in the comments policy.

loquora
8 years ago

I just read through most of this and Max outed himself as a troll the minute he got 3 good faith answers to his question and then only replied to the one person who didn’t pat his ass instantly. Someone here to learn would have acknowledged those good faith people with a response instead of jumping onto the slightest negativity first thing.

katz
8 years ago

It probably would have, but at some point I stop tolerating assholes, even if they are respected. As for my credibility, it’s my problem. I won’t exactly lose sleep over not being credible for this type of person. I think I’ve been pretty cool with WWTH, so if you think I went over the top with that one, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

That’s your prerogative, but we like WWTH and not you, so you’re deliberately acting in order to not be considered credible by us. In other words, you’re trying to be labeled a troll, so don’t come crying to us when we label you a troll.

I’m drinking wine in a bubble bath while watching netflix.

Are you really? Because if so, you’re my hero.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Max

Je ne suis pas sur de comprendre le lien, tu m’expliques? C’est si rare, les Francais?

Francophones montrent ici de temps en temps. Trolls apparaissent tout le temps.

French speakers show up here occasionally. Trolls show up all the time.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Lea

These guys so badly want to convince some other man to murder and face the consequences in their place. That’s the mra version of helping men.

You put it so well!

Hey, “Men’s Human Rights Activists”: In my rainy city yesterday, I counted 70 people in the warm, well-lit tunnel leading to the subway. They were homeless people, some in their sleeping bags. One person was snoring loudly. A guy in a wheelchair had peed on the floor.

Every face I saw was male. There’s your work “MHRAs”! Why don’t you help these men with money, food, shelter, drug rehabilitation, and job training?

Oh, I see. You’d rather yell at women on the Internet, calling them sluts and whores and threatening to hurt them in a “nonviolent” way. Never mind.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

Aww man, I slept through the troll…

Eh, sealions are boring anyway; they all follow the same script, right down to “When you reach this point, claim to be ESL/female/black/LGBT+.”

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur

Who knows what hell those kids and wife are going through living with a man who, because of his mediocre life and insecurity, who could possibly explode into fits of violence.

Thank you for saying this.

Every time I see a picture of Jack Barnes, I send my best wishes to his wife and child. Also, any other creature who’s ever sensed his presence.

cleverforagirl
cleverforagirl
8 years ago

@Max

Potential TW for some vile stuff.

Can I call you maxy–poo? I’m feeling super nurturing and patient right now, so I kinda want to tell you about how misogyny has effecting me personally. Keep in mind that I have been online since people have been dialing into each others computers for a chat. One of the things that makes misogynistic online abuse worse for me personally is how it parallels real life abuse. Outside of eye-gouging controller throwing gaming no one has ever threatened to “find where you live and shit down your throat.”

BUT

Threats like “I’m going to rape you to death” “I’m going to knock out all your teeth and force you to blow me.” are things people have yelled at me face to face, often while following me. and while I have yet to hear of a case where someone has been hunted down held down and pooped on, stalking and raping happen so often, to so many women *that I am afraid to give a man the time when he asks b/c omg this might be the man that kills me.*

Slightly OT
Men have the power of fear over women. When I was in college, in archery, when pulling an arrow out of a target I lost my balance and scraped a guy with my arrow. I reached out, touched his arm where I scrapped him and said, “I am so sorry, are you ok?” BOOM guy followed me and creeped on me so hard that I dropped all of my classes and kept a box cutter on me the rest of the time.

Sorry for the ramblings, flow of logic has always been a weak point in my writing.

–Clever

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@scildfreja

The hippocampus is responsible (among other brain regions) for both storing and reassembling memories from the neocortex. By disrupting the hippocampus, the neocortex continues to search for solutions to whatever it happens to be working on instead of reassembling a memory structure. I’m not a neuroscientist, but the talk of the town is that they think this is the act of conscious willpower, and is responsible for the human ability to move beyond our first thoughts to contemplate something more deeply – our ability to challenge perceptions!

Thank you for that. It makes a lot of sense. What they call conscious willpower, I call character.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

@Kat,

Thank you for that. It makes a lot of sense. What they call conscious willpower, I call character.

That is also a good way to put it! It’s related to more than that, though – it’s deeply entangled in conscious thought.

So is the centromedial cortex, but we don’t talk about the centromedial cortex. D:

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
8 years ago

WWTH

I too am a troll sniffer. Sometimes I engage the “I’m a sincere sealion” types with sincerity and add a troll trigger in the comment. Max took it pretty much hook, line and sinker. I usually continue to engage them in childisn I know you are but what am I. This works the best if others are answering in good faith, because the reaction I’m looking for is:

“Leda you’re a mean meanie who understands me not”

PLUS

“As for you others, I offer thee cordious thanks for thy wisdom, grace and beauty”

It happens every time.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Scildfreja

It’s related to more than that, though – it’s deeply entangled in conscious thought.

Hmm. I guess that I see consistent acts of examining yourself and your actions–and taking appropriate steps to remedy your errors–as adding up to a good character (and the ability to live with yourself). And it takes conscious thought and sometimes willpower to do that. So maybe I’m saying that the ability to challenge your perceptions helps to build a good character.

Is that the ventromedial cortex you’re referring to? I had never heard of it until now. Sounds controversial!

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