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Memeday: Dads! Punish Your Baby’s Mama With Valentine’s Day Dinner at McDonalds

Wait, what?
Wait, what?

It’s Friday again, and that means memes. Today’s batch comes fresh from the A Voice for Men Facebook page. AVFM may be in the middle of a slow-motion collapse, but they’re still doing an amazing job making and/or disseminating almost completely incomprehensible memes.

Take the one up top there, suggesting that if fathers have any issues with the way their “baby’s mama” is raising their baby, the solution isn’t to discuss this with her or — heaven forbid! — get more involved in raising the kid.

No, the only REAL solution is to ruin her Valentine’s Day by taking her to McDonald’s, instead of giving her the lavish romantic dinner she expects.

Because, you know, mothers are far more interested in extracting lavish dinners from their men than they are in, you know, taking care of any kids they might have accidentally popped out along the way.

Why did AVFM post a Valentine’s Day meme more than a month early? Probably for the same reason the site published an anti-Valentines rant from Paul Elam last August: there is no greater misandrist oppression of men than having to buy some chocolate or whatever for some dumb broad if she happens to be one of those women who expects her fella to buy her chocolate or whatever.

I have no comment on this next meme, because I have no idea whatsoever what point it’s trying to make.

Huh?
Huh?

I gather from the one below that someone saw Adam Sandler’s fake-gay-marriage comedy I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry and thought it offered some incisive social criticism.

chuckandlarry

I dunno, I’m not sure I have an objection. Why shouldn’t people be able to claim their roommates as domestic partners?

Enjoy the rest of your memeday! And don’t forget, all you fellas out there, Always Be Recording, just in case some random woman decides to do some false accusing.

abre

MRAs and MGTOWs and the like talk endlessly about how all men should be always recording (and then presumably storing all the sound files just in case). I wonder if there is a single MRA or MGTOW who does.

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magnesium
magnesium
5 years ago

It’s settled, then. All straight guy MRA’s will sham marry other straight guy MRA’s and leave women alone forever.

pie
pie
5 years ago

I had honestly not considered bottle-propping until today, and the little one is just starting to get fractious. Thanks, AVFM!

iat
iat
5 years ago

When a cismale MRA can shoot milk from his ta-tas and is willing to have a little person hang off them, then he can talk about breastfeeding.
Women’s bodies do not belong to the men or children in their life, and yes I include children in that, they don’t stop being autonomous human beings just because they didn’t have an abortion.
But women being people too is such a difficult concept right? *eyeroll*

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
5 years ago

Couldn’t… couldn’t we always marry our opposite sex friends for tax purposes if we wanted to? I’m a woman, I could marry my male roommate if I wanted to (provided, you know, he wanted to as well) and I guess save money on taxes? But… that would mean entangling myself legally with somebody I was only ever planning on sharing a home with for a few years. It would be complicated and messy and… pretty weird.

I mean, could there conceivably be people unconcerned enough with social boundaries who would find it sufficiently advantageous to marry someone for the tax benefits that they would be willing to do it? Two of those people that happened to know each other? I mean, yeah, conceivably. But people aren’t exactly rushing out to do it, and we aren’t outlawing heterosexual marriage to avoid it.

What am I saying… it’s an AVFM meme, of course it’s nonsense.

loquora
loquora
5 years ago

I love the idea that feminism is an alien waiting to burst from your chest and call it misogyny. I mean, the xenomorphs were pretty effective and had it not been for a badass woman they would have wiped everyone out and gone on to terrorize wherever the ship ended up next.

So either AVFM considers themselves to be the equivalent of a badass woman, or they’re so genuinely scared of feminists that they equate us with an extremely sophisticated and effective alien species. Either way you slice it, I feel like women come out on top! And it makes it seem like maybe MRAs should keep their mouths shut lest a feminist deposit an egg down their throats.

bluecat
bluecat
5 years ago

I think I can interpret the second meme.

Ignore the text: it makes no sense. Look at the images.

There are two hideous, bloodied-and-fanged looking things in there.

One of them is the Voice For Men logo, and the other is Baby Alien.

I see the parallel they are drawing here.

A Voice For Men: guaranteed to spawn in your guts and then burst its way out shrieking before destroying all life with its corrosive blood and unassuageable hunger.

Pretty apt meme, seems to me.

Tulse
Tulse
5 years ago

So, apparently misogyny is a horrific monster that breeds in the hearts of men until it bursts out to cause chaos and mayhem, only to be finally destroyed by kick-ass women.

Huh, that actually sounds about right…

[and well, it looks like great minds think alike and all…]

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
5 years ago

@Magnesium,

Ain’t it telling, though, that they use the Morpheus image and the “What now, feminists?” tone in that. As if the threat of them entering into financial marriages was a threat to women or something. They really do believe that they – single, unattached, unmarried they – are providing for women just by the fact that they’re mens. How do they? I can’t even.

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
5 years ago

@Scildfreja

I kind of interpreted as supposed to be a Neo-learning-about-the-matrix mind blowing thing. Like we’re supposed to go “Holy shit, I never thought of that!! Morpheus, you have blown my worldview! Now I don’t know what to think!”

…as if it’s not the same dumb argument people have been using against gay marriage for 20 years, and it’s still not convincing the 12346089th time round.

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
5 years ago

Also, PS: We’ve had gay marriage in Canada for 20 years, and THIS HASN’T HAPPENED. At least not on any noticeable, measurable, or damaging scale.

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
5 years ago

Bottle propping is actually pretty dangerous with tiny babies as it can cause them to choke. But being passive aggressive about dates instead of talking about it or helping their partner out is just the kind of pathetic “solution” I’d expect from avfm.

Women just can’t win with misogynists, I breastfed each of my kids until they were 4 years old and I got plenty of shitty comments about them being “too old” and how I shouldn’t breastfeed in public.

SamBarge
SamBarge
5 years ago

Some thoughts on these memes:

Is it just me or does that camouflage bottle holder look like something marketed to men?

Also, and this is the shocking part, I don’t fucking care about Valentine’s Day (and I am a woman and a feminist). I think it’s a scam holiday designed to treat women like children while separating men from their money. My spouse doesn’t even have to part with the $20 a McDonald’s blowout (because naturally we’d get Big Macs and apple pies) this meme is suggesting. I’m happy to stay home and cook for him. And, I’m a feminist. I mean, the real kind with hairy legs and protests and all that stuff. Consider your mind blown, MRAs.

No idea what the Aliens meme is trying to say either. The Alien is misogyny made corporeal? Okay. I mean, that’s weird but whatever.

I have no problem with same-sex, heterosexual roommates sharing benefits. I think people should be able to add any life partner to their benefits, especially if they share a home and/or the care of children. I imagine the impediments to this happening are (1) employers, (2) insurance companies, and (3) homophobes/fear of appearing gay. I am none of those things so I’m not getting in the way.

Actually, I think most feminists would agree that our “traditional” definition of family or marriage is incomplete and not reflective of either tradition or the whole of human experience. Why shouldn’t you be able to have a same sex partner who isn’t your sexual partner, for the purposes of benefits, etc.? That’s actually a great idea.

Finally, if you genuinely don’t trust someone enough that you record your conversations with them, perhaps you shouldn’t have conversations with them. Exercise some discretion in the selection of your friends and acquaintances. Don’t enter into long term relationships with people that you cannot trust. There are psychopaths and narcissists out there that will abuse your trust and hurt you but understand that behavior is not determined by gender. Expect the women you are intimate with to be honest with you as you are with them.

And therein lies the problem, I think.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

I have yet to meet/hear of a woman that was at all affected by the threat of a group of men deciding not to get married, or marrying other men for tax purposes. Yet, MRGTOWs keep making that threat–we’ll take our ball and go home and then you’ll be sorry!–it’s basically all they do. I can’t really fathom the level of reality disconnect it must require to keep that up.

LindsayIrene
5 years ago

I mean, if you took MGTOW to its logical conclusion, having them marry each other would make sense.

dlouwe
dlouwe
5 years ago

All straight guy MRA’s will sham marry other straight guy MRA’s and leave women alone forever.

But what if they have to divorce? If neither one is a woman, how will the courts determine who gets alimony???

/s

Also, what’s stopping them from getting sham married to a platonic female friend and getting the same benefits? Given that they tend to see women as objectives rather than people, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that very few manospherians even consider the idea of maintaining platonic female friendships.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
5 years ago

What if I told you that “opposite sex marriage” doesn’t require the partners to be heterosexual? What would then be the point of arguments where romantic love and sexual attraction have never been requirements for issuing marriage licenses?

Also, I think Olde English Font John Galt is my favourite MRAeme maker. They’re always so bad, and that logo he keeps popping on just makes them a design nightmare.

Ktoryx, while I wish we had marriage equality for 20 years, it’s only been about 10. We managed to get that done before Harper got in for his reign of terror.

Delphi_ote
Delphi_ote
5 years ago

Hey, dad, if you don’t like the way mom is feeding your baby, I have a radical idea…

DO IT YOURSELF, ASSHOLE!

Delphi_ote
Delphi_ote
5 years ago

Alien meme: feminism seems like a mild sickness that can be ignored, but then terror alien misogyny pops out of it? I think that’s what they’re trying to get at.

When the ideology itself is a contradictory mess of muddled thinking, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that the products of its adherents are a total clusterfuck.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

God, those people suck at memes.

Matt
Matt
5 years ago

All straight guy MRA’s will sham marry other straight guy MRA’s and leave women alone forever.

And to *further* demonstrate their commitment to the MRA cause, they will deny their essence to all the world’s females, reserving it solely for each other.

Wow, that became MRA slash in a hurry… 😉

Vanir85
Vanir85
5 years ago

Took a look at more of the memes. Quite the toxic mix of male supremacism, incredibly flawed logic, and horrible, HORRIBLE design.

However, it reaffirmed my opinion that there is no longer any practical reason to bother separating MRAs from TRPs. There might have been, some time ago, but now… nah.

The hatred for feminists, the contempt for women, the glorification of the male gender, the loathing for any woman with power or success or even just access to a traditionally male “field”, the rage over living in a society that doesn’t cater to them over everyone else (well, not as much as it used to, at least), the hostility towards men who won’t join them in their misogyny… it’s 90% the same (the biggest difference, i think, is in their view of homosexual men).

Lord Stoneheart
Lord Stoneheart
5 years ago

(Looks at the meme with Morpheus)

I don’t have an objection? People have gotten married for reasons other than love before. As long as both people know what they are getting into regarding the legal side of things and are cool with that, I don’t see why not.

And I still have no idea what that Alien meme is going for. Other than maybe they are trying to equivocate Feminism with Chestbusters? It does fail on multiple fronts though.

Bakunin
Bakunin
5 years ago

Absolutely guys should help feed their kids. My girlfriend sadly had issues producing breast milk, so we ended up supplementing and generally had whoever wasn’t busy get the bottle. Now that my son’s just short of a year, my GF and I fight over who gets to feed him cause it’s really fun to watch his expressions. He really loves his veggies. Pretty soon we’ll just give him the spoon and sit back 🙂

Vanir85
Vanir85
5 years ago

It’s settled, then. All straight guy MRA’s will sham marry other straight guy MRA’s and leave women alone forever.

– magnesium

*Sigh*… one can dream… one can dream…

Patricia Kayden
Patricia Kayden
5 years ago

None of the memes made sense to me but I guess I’m not their target.

jupitaur
jupitaur
5 years ago

I am pretty sure the Alien meme is this:

Feminists are parasites. They do nothing but take and take, eating a man from inside. He works and works but everything he does goes to her, not to him. Hence he says he’s “a bit peckish” when in fact he’s ragingly hungry because he never gets to enjoy anything that he earns (eats), she just takes it all and wants more.

Then, if that man even so much as hints that he wants something more, that it’s not a perfectly fair deal for her to take everything and demand more, the feminist tears him to pieces screaming “misogyny!”

I think it might be their “clever” retort to “not all men”

Mike
Mike
5 years ago

I always get a kick out of how incomprehensible and ugly these manosphere meme-images are.

I mean, could there conceivably be people unconcerned enough with social boundaries who would find it sufficiently advantageous to marry someone for the tax benefits that they would be willing to do it? Two of those people that happened to know each other? I mean, yeah, conceivably. But people aren’t exactly rushing out to do it, and we aren’t outlawing heterosexual marriage to avoid it.

Yeah exactly… I think it comes from a broader anti-SSM notion (which I saw a lot before SCOTUS ruled on it) that basically came down to the idea of SSM somehow destroying all conceivable legal requirements and protections around marriage.

So, apparently misogyny is a horrific monster that breeds in the hearts of men until it bursts out to cause chaos and mayhem, only to be finally destroyed by kick-ass women.

At first I was annoyed that these guys would use Alien – a film that’s often understood as a feminist work – as source material for anti-feminist memes, but if the above interpretation is actually what they meant then hey, it really does make sense.

Mike
Mike
5 years ago

I am pretty sure the Alien meme is this:

Feminists are parasites. They do nothing but take and take, eating a man from inside. He works and works but everything he does goes to her, not to him. Hence he says he’s “a bit peckish” when in fact he’s ragingly hungry because he never gets to enjoy anything that he earns (eats), she just takes it all and wants more.

This is my interpretation: Feminist ideology is insidious and parasitic; once feminism has taken hold of you, you might think that you haven’t been harmed by it, but then before you know it, this ideology will destroy you and you’ll be reduced to unnecessarily yelling about “misogyny” all the time. (It doesn’t really make sense, though, because if feminism is the alien, then feminism itself – disembodied from any individual person – is the thing yelling “misogyny;” but, this is the most sense I can make of it.)

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

Women just can’t win with misogynists, I breastfed each of my kids until they were 4 years old and I got plenty of shitty comments about them being “too old” and how I shouldn’t breastfeed in public.

If you bottlefeed*, you’re selfish.

If you breastfeed**, you’re disgusting.

They just want something to kvetch about.

*You don’t even have to bottle prop.

**See: Donald Trump’s remarks about a lawyer who asked for a recess in order to pump.
See also: Everyone who’d like you to take your child to a public rest room to breastfeed.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

MRAs: Can you imagine two men with the financial and social benefits of marriage?
What would you say THEN?
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS!!!1!

Most Feminists: Um…that’d be OK…? I mean, whatever floats their boat…

Kreator
Kreator
5 years ago

I must confess that the concept in the matrix meme popped up in my mind when I was first thinking in depth about the issue of marriage equality. Thankfully, my logical mind also popped up immediately afterwards and helped me to arrive to the same conclusion than Ktoryx and others have already stated: it’s already perfectly possible (easier, even!) to arrange an heterosexual marriage by convenience, so who cares?

ColeYote
ColeYote
5 years ago

First one: I did not know AVFM was so opinionated about breastfeeding. And I suppose they don’t care some women can’t.

Second one: Just… all of my what?

Fourth one: Recording someone without their consent is illegal, morons!

Multiple: Why does the watermark say “John Galt”? What the fuck does any of this have to do with that shitty novel slash 0.01%er propaganda?!

Josh Miller
Josh Miller
5 years ago

Hey David, I’m so glad you made this a regular weekly feature on the site. These ridiculous, missing-the-point memes are one of my favorites things to read about and see you comment on. And it keeps me from having to give RoKs and AVfM any undeserved page-views, so please keep up the good work!

Vanir85
Vanir85
5 years ago

Why does the watermark say “John Galt”? What the fuck does any of this have to do with that shitty novel slash 0.01%er propaganda?!

– ColeYote

I think it’s a MGTOW thing. Some of them see Men Going Their Own Way basically the same as as Men Going John Galt – away from the “parasites” (i.e. women/feminists/leftists) and the “corrupt” (i.e. somewhat egalitarian and fair) society that “keeps them down” (i.e. that does not grant them privilege).

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

So we have, in order:

Ridiculous overreacting with an extra spoonful of spiteful passive agression from the ever-so-rational-and-logical men. Of course, all women have to care huge amounts about being pampered on Vday, cause otherwise what would these asshats be able to blame women for?

A graphic about feminism and misogyny made by someone who knows nothing about feminism or misogyny. I love the interpretations that people here have come up with. Just like the ‘it’s like teaching drivers not to hit people’, this is one of the memes that literally prove them wrong.

“Shocking revelations” that don’t shock anyone or reveal anything. Why do they care so much or think feminists would have a problem with this? Oh that’s right, their fevered imagination’s ‘feminist’ loves forcing poor men into marrying them.

And a hilariously bad attempt at a anacronym for an equally bad attempt at a catchphrase of the delusional idea that recording conversations will somehow reveal to the world that false rape accusations are a thing, but will ultimately just reveal how poorly these asshats comprehend the concept of consent.

All we’re missing is the ‘feminism = femdom porn’ and we’ve got the whole spectrum of ignorance.

Ah MRAs, making themselves look terrible and shooting themselves in the foot with their own propaganda. Must be another day that ends in Y

Johanna Roberts
Johanna Roberts
5 years ago

after dental work today this is all the reply I can think of, but I think it works.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/Sephirajo/aFOZzcM_zps7l43juyo.gif

Dr Hoveiny
Dr Hoveiny
5 years ago

I know people who do McDonald’s on Valentines Day and have fun with it. Watch out menz, you might unintentionally do something quirky and charming. Total beta move!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Men can get married to men even though they’re heterosexual! Now we can have all the benefits of being married, without women in the picture! Checkmate, Feminists!

http://media0.giphy.com/media/Emg9qPKR5hquI/giphy.gif

Of course we’d be absolutely fine with that. But, there’s still the issue of who makes the sammiches. If there’s no woman in the relationship, who makes the sammiches?

And, of course, they’ll never get off their asses and fuckin’ do it. Mostly because they don’t fucking do anything that would actually solve their problems, so they secretly don’t want to because that would give them something they can’t complain about.

Uh, I mean, because getting married to another man is gay! [/sarcasm]

Kereea
Kereea
5 years ago

There’s also the issue that a bottle doesn’t tell you if it’s breast milk or not. My mom initially pumped since I only drank a very small amount at a time many times a day (hell, my first word was “done”) so it was easier to pump and store, though they did later swap to formula.
So that meme is utterly worthless even as what they want it to be.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Can’t we ever get one, just ONE, of these things with decent design? At least decent typography? JUST ONE???

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Tracy: Graphic design is misandry. So’s going to school to learn how to do it.

Tulse
Tulse
5 years ago

Some of them see Men Going Their Own Way basically the same as as Men Going John Galt

And I really wish that both the Randians and the MGTOWs would just get on with it already.

Freemage
Freemage
5 years ago

Taxes are actually one of the lesser advantages of marriage, frankly, and even then the benefit depends heavily on the relative incomes. (I forget right now if the advantage is stronger if you’re closer or further away in incomes, though.)

The primary legal/financial benefits are:

Social Security
Default Inheritance
Medical Benefits at companies that offer family health plans
Medical decision-making rules

I can’t think of a single feminist OR gay rights activist that I’ve ever encountered who would care about these benefits being extended to same-sex couples.

Orion
Orion
5 years ago

You know, that couple at McD’s look like they’re having a really good time.

Orion
Orion
5 years ago

Lovin’ it, even.

MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
5 years ago

It’s funny that they use Morpheus in their incomprehensible memes. The Matrix movies were co-created by a transgender woman and feature a woman in a lead role. Aren’t those two things that make MRAs vomit in murderous rage?

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
5 years ago

John Galt is the nym of one prolific AVFM postermaker, probably inspired by his personal libertarian views. You can often see his byline incorporated in that huge-ass ugly AVFM logo that’s slapped over many of these posters, apparently in order to credit the artist and the hosting organization in the most unaesthetic manner possible.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
5 years ago

It’s memes like that valentine’s day one that prove anti-feminists are full of shit when they say they don’t hate women, they just disagree with feminism. If they knew anything about feminists, they’d know most of us find the whole men are expected to shell out money, women are supposed to reward him with sex valentine’s day thing to be extremely gross. Every feminist I know believes couples should nice things for each other and have sex with each other because they want to, not because they’ve been ordered to by a calendar date.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
5 years ago

MexicanHotChocalate,
Exactly! Also, if they’d seen Sense8, they’d realize the Wachowski siblings are clearly on the pro social justice side of things.

In other news, my female coworker and I got mansplained to today. We’ve not only been at the company much longer than this guy, he’s pretty new to the project we are all on. My female coworker and I have been doing work for this client several months longer than him. Yet he still felt the need to give us unsolicited tips. He mansplained even more to a different coworker. She’s been on the project the same amount of time as him and is about equally productive.

I brought it up with another experienced female coworker, and she told me he’s done the same thing to her! After hearing that, I am definitely calling him out if he tries that shit with me again. I have never once heard him give unsolicited advice to male coworkers. What a prick.

Another thing, and this was just so precious, he was bragging about a receptionist being nice to him. Like it was due to his fabulous man skills and not just her being a nice or fake nice person.

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