Over on the Ask The Red Pill subreddit, one of the stranger outposts in Reddit’s Red Pill empire, one aspiring alpha has a rather plaintive question about the proper etiquette when one is, er, making love with a woman who hates you.
The obvious answer to this little conundrum is: don’t have sex with people who hate you, or that you hate. Alas, this is not the advice given to young redthrowawaypill.
No, the advice he’s given is a lot more rapey.
A fellow calling himself toolatebutnexttime fondly recalls the lovely times he used to have with his hated first wife. Well, they were lovely for him, in any case.
F**king someone you hate can be really fun. My first wife cheated one me while I was deployed. I grew to hate her, to this day I hate her with every ounce of my being.
When I would come back to the states for vacation, I would pick up the kids from her, go hang out with them, take them back to her house put them to bed and then f**k the hell out of her.
Everything I wanted to do during the marriage but was too beta to just go ahead and do, I did. The fact that I hated her made me not give a shit about if it caused I fight afterwords.
Huh. You’re doing things to her without her consent and that make her angry. That’s not sex any more; it’s rape.
The advice given by Truckyouinthebutt seems almost reasonable by comparison, at least at first.
So hate F**k isn’t f**king someone you hate. Its more of a feeling that you don’t see anything ever happening with this person and all you do is F**k. You don’t date, you don’t text, you don’t talk about the weather, you just F**k. It can be you both hate each others personality but are sexually,attracted to each other and both need a release.
Sort of a friends-with-benefits kind of deal but without the “friends” part. That can actually work if both people are ok with it.
But then Truckyouinthebutt starts sounding rapey as hell too:
I f**ked a girl who was friends with my friends gf but couldn’t stand to hang out with her.
He means that he couldn’t stand to hang out with her, not that the girl couldn’t stand to hang out with her own female friend.
We would all go out for drinks. Us guys would talk, the girls would talk, then at the end of the night we would go after party at my friends place. Him and his,gf would go in her room to F**k and I would keep bitch girl on the couch and F**k there.
Wait, you’d keep her there? How, exactly? This is starting to sound a bit rapey.
No kissing, no sex talk, just whip it out and put it in.
A lot rapey.
You get to pull the hair more, pinch the nipples, slap her ass harder because you,don’t give a F**k what she thinks.
Ok, here’s the thing: when you’re having sex with someone you have to give enough of “a F**k what she thinks” to ensure that she is actually, you know, consenting to sex. Rough sex is fine, if she’s into it too. But sex without consent, well, that isn’t actually sex any more.
Normally if they are hate fucking you they are freaks and totally get off to this so if you do,it right they come back every time.
And if it turns out that, you know, you actually raped her? To Truckyouinthebutt, evidently, it’s no harm, no foul because, hey, he didn’t even like her anyway.
The Ask the Red Pill subreddit is basically the world’s worst advice column.
Thing is, MGTOW and MRAs ARE randroids. They don’t want strong labor laws. They’ve said it themselves multiple times, the solution they would be happy with is not to increase workplace safety for anyone, but to engineer “Women in STEM” -type campaigns, only for the lowest status, worst paid, dirtiest, most dangerous jobs, and remove redistributive economic policies and otherwise put pressure on women to take those jobs until women die as frequently on the job as men do.
Aside from how immoral this “solution” is, it doesn’t even make sense on a practical level for a million reasons, but that’s not the point for them. This isn’t about fixing any problems, it’s about scoring hits against their perceived enemy in the gender wars. They think all of this is somehow a devastating attack against feminist hypocrisy and entitlement.
@Tim
Other people have said this already, but I have only one thing for you: If MGTOWs don’t want anything to do with feminists/women/WHTM commenter, then why do you all keep flocking here to talk to us? Why did you come here to talk to us, if you don’t want anything to do with us?
@Kat
Thanks! 🙂
I just turned 31 so this coming year would be my 32nd year, right? Gonna go open presents right NOW.
Same thing with “make love”: if there’s a grammatical subject/object construction, I prefer “make love with” to “make love to” (David, thanks for using the right preposition in the post above!) because the “to” makes it seem like the subject (usually a man) has all the agency and the object (usually a women) is treated like, well, an object.
Manosphere types are more along the lines of “I’m going to make love at you.”
Good haul!
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
A mandoline (so I can finally make zucchini pasta :p)
This book:
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And I was also promised Fire Emblem Fates once it comes out in a few months. And we’re going out for vegetarian Indian food tonight. Perfect! 🙂
@Bakunin
If it needs clarifying, I do not think that anyone should be going around with a penis or extra equipment obtained, to penetrate the orifices of the unwilling and/or disinterested. To do otherwise would be rape regardless of whether or not it’s a penis or equipment substitution.
@dhag85
Btw, happy birthday!
@Alan
But do we really believe that foxes are clever and cunning? Maybe in the abstract, but when you actually meet a fox you quickly realize it’s basically just a cooler dog. When I see an actual owl I also don’t think it’s wise. It’s dumb! And very cute.
@msexceptiontotherule
Thank you. 🙂
Well, this promises to be original…
@dhag
Belated wishes
@SFHC
Seems rather apropos for a bunch of dicks that can’t be bothered to get up and go already
@dhag
I love my mandoline. It’s great for making apple chips, pickle slices, and anything involving sliced potatoes. I’ve never used it for zucchini pasta though–need to read up on how to do that.
@Kiki – for manosphere types, what’s love got to do with it? Srsly.
I’m going to add a little bit more on alimony to help combat Timmy’s misinformation. I’d say “set Timmy straight” but that’s not going to happen.
Alimony is only rewarded to spouses whose contribution to the marriage was to stay home and raise the children (usually the wife in our society, but not always), therefore have either no job skills or whose job skills are so stale it’s going to be hard for her to find employment. In most cases the alimony is limited to five to ten years to give the requesting spouse time to get more training and find sustainable employment. In some cases the alimony is permanent if the requesting spouse is older and the chance of getting a job even after gaining new skills is slim.
Most of the time since many women are college-educated and have their own jobs while married, they’re expected to support themselves just like their ex-husbands. The view of the court these days is that when people who are married go their separate ways, they need to make a complete break instead of continuing to depend on an ex-spouse for support.
But MRAs and MGTOWs don’t want to hear that. They want to keep believing that all women are automatically entitled to three-fourths of a man’s paycheck upon filing for divorce until the day one of them dies, forcing him in the poorhouse while she lives high on the hog.
As for child support, Timmy’s wrong there, too. If you are paying support and truly have hit hard times that prevent you from making those monthly payments, like disability, a job with lesser pay, unemployment, etc., you can petition the court to lower your payments. The purpose of child support is to (oddly enough) support the child, not punish a parent by putting them in the poorhouse.
@ paradoxy
You’ve pretty much covered the rebuttal to the cohabitation rights bill. I’ll just chip in with some background for legal nerds.
It had generally been recognised that when a non married couple split up there might be some financial issues to resolve, especially where there were kids. It’s an old cliche that there’s no such thing as a common law marriage, but this often caught people out.
Previous governments though needed to pay heed to the ‘sanctity of marriage’ argument to keep voters happy so they avoided legislating and left matters to the courts.
The courts tried to do fairness by employing various equitable remedies, partnership law, weird concepts like resulting and constructive trusts etc.
Eventually everyone realised this was silly and even the Conservative party wouldn’t lose many votes from acknowledging that lots of people chose to live together but not get married. Hence the act.
In practice all it does is allow people to apply to the court if they’d think asserts should be divvied up in a particular way. You have to show an entitlement to the asset though, it doesn’t create any new obligations. Basically it tries to put the parties back into the position they would have been had they never co habited. Oh, and it doesn’t allow for continuing payments, it’s a clean break thing.
For people who find this some sort of oppression the cohabitees can opt out of the provisions of the act if they both want to anyway.
Well done, Paradoxical, well done.
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@Alan: Thanks for covering that. I know you have far more experience with this than I do. : 3
@Jackie: *bows*
Umm
what?
@ paradoxy
No worries. The whole bill is a bit of a storm in a teacup really. It doesn’t alter the factual position at all and it’s voluntary. Makes life a bit easier for judges though.
@dhag85
Happy Birthday!
By now, Timiny is back at the He-Man Woman Hater’s Club treehouse, swigging a Capri Sun and boasting how he counted coup on the scary feminists and white knighters.
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Here’s hoping.
what the fuck is wrong with these people? is it just stupidity and hatred or what?
Ah yes f**ker vs f**kee. I like the quote (which I’m misquoting) that men expect to always be the actors for which women are the audience. This feels true when hanging out with a guy who only thinks I’m fun if I laugh at his jokes – my own (obviously AMAZING) jokes are irrelevant – my value as a companion is how good I am at being his audience. Same with sex – I’m a good shag if he comes out feeling like he did a good job – like somehow he’s the only one actively participating – I’m a passive recipient. Grrrrrr.
Hatef**king though – I totally get that. To each their own but someone you react to is critical for me in good sex – the reaction can be annoyance or adoration, but it has to be a reactive situation with intensity. In pursuit of good sex I have realised deep intellectual respect is sexy, but not as sexy (for me) as someone who riles me either through love or hate. Not saying it’s for everyone but I totally understand having explosive good sex with someone you dislike not inspite of disagreeing with something about them, but actually because of it. Turns out my sex drive doesn’t care about my morals – I can have great sex with a guy whose personal views infuriate me..in the same way I think you can find brilliant qualities in the same person who also has some shitty ones.
I genuinely think those are the best people (brilliant in one respect but who you disagree with fundamentally in others) – seeing that you can hold different views to someone and still appreciate they are brilliant is a really good way (for me) to get better at tolerance and stop assuming that my views are correct and that anyone who sees it differently is just stupid or immoral. In politics particularly its very easy to assume the opposite side are just idiots or assholes and to dehumanise them as no decent person could agree with x,y,z..whereas in reality I’ve realised that brilliant people I know can hold views I dislike so it’s not a matter of good people believe what I believe and bad people believe the opposite
Omg i am so happy!!! =) i love this cat it looks like my real cat oliver .. I wont this siuatngre orange cat !!! He is on his way in the mail! Soo excited cant wait add me GFYEJ