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A Red Piller Wonders: If You’re Having Sex With Someone Who Hates You, Is There Kissing?

Apparently unnecessary, in Red Pill land
Apparently unnecessary, in Red Pill land

Over on the Ask The Red Pill subreddit, one of the stranger outposts in Reddit’s Red Pill empire, one aspiring alpha has a rather plaintive question about the proper etiquette when one is, er, making love with a woman who hates you.

Explain hatefucking to me (self.asktrp) submitted 13 hours ago by redthrowawaypill Can someone with experience tell me how it is when a girl hates you but you still fuck her. Does she kiss at all? It's weird because I could never fuck someone I hate.

The obvious answer to this little conundrum is: don’t have sex with people who hate you, or that you hate. Alas, this is not the advice given to young redthrowawaypill.

No, the advice he’s given is a lot more rapey.

A fellow calling himself toolatebutnexttime fondly recalls the lovely times he used to have with his hated first wife. Well, they were lovely for him, in any case.

F**king someone you hate can be really fun. My first wife cheated one me while I was deployed. I grew to hate her, to this day I hate her with every ounce of my being.

When I would come back to the states for vacation, I would pick up the kids from her, go hang out with them, take them back to her house put them to bed and then f**k the hell out of her.

Everything I wanted to do during the marriage but was too beta to just go ahead and do, I did. The fact that I hated her made me not give a shit about if it caused I fight afterwords.

Huh. You’re doing things to her without her consent and that make her angry. That’s not sex any more; it’s rape.

The advice given by Truckyouinthebutt seems almost reasonable by comparison, at least at first.

So hate F**k isn’t f**king someone you hate. Its more of a feeling that you don’t see anything ever happening with this person and all you do is F**k. You don’t date, you don’t text, you don’t talk about the weather, you just F**k. It can be you both hate each others personality but are sexually,attracted to each other and both need a release.

Sort of a friends-with-benefits kind of deal but without the “friends” part. That can actually work if both people are ok with it.

But then Truckyouinthebutt starts sounding rapey as hell too:

I f**ked a girl who was friends with my friends gf but couldn’t stand to hang out with her.

He means that he couldn’t stand to hang out with her, not that the girl couldn’t stand to hang out with her own female friend.

We would all go out for drinks. Us guys would talk, the girls would talk, then at the end of the night we would go after party at my friends place. Him and his,gf would go in her room to F**k and I would keep bitch girl on the couch and F**k there.

Wait, you’d keep her there? How, exactly? This is starting to sound a bit rapey.

No kissing, no sex talk, just whip it out and put it in.

A lot rapey.

You get to pull the hair more, pinch the nipples, slap her ass harder because you,don’t give a F**k what she thinks.

Ok, here’s the thing: when you’re having sex with someone you have to give enough of “a F**k what she thinks” to ensure that she is actually, you know, consenting to sex. Rough sex is fine, if she’s into it too. But sex without consent, well, that isn’t actually sex any more.

Normally if they are hate fucking you they are freaks and totally get off to this so if you do,it right they come back every time.

And if it turns out that, you know, you actually raped her? To Truckyouinthebutt, evidently, it’s no harm, no foul because, hey, he didn’t even like her anyway.

The Ask the Red Pill subreddit is basically the world’s worst advice column.

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Patricia Kayden
Patricia Kayden
4 years ago

They really need to just leave women alone. They should stick to blow up dolls which they cannot hurt.

Bakunin
Bakunin
4 years ago

@msexceptiontotherule

I’m going to nitpick slightly. Saying that women/people who do not have a penis need extra equipment in order to be the ‘fucker’ doesn’t push back against kat’s college acquaintance nearly enough, since you’re agreeing that you need to penetrate in order to be the ‘fucker’. Equating fucking with penetration still leaves the verb transitive, something one party does to the other, not a cooperative act as it should be.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@kupo

Yessss, fake pandas! Thanks. 🙂

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Red pandas!!!!

They’ve got to be my favorite non domestic animal. They’re like an adorable mix of cat, raccoon, and fox. Love!

Verily Baroque
Verily Baroque
4 years ago

@Alan

The kitten on the left looks like he’s just seen an assassination and the kitten in the middle looks like he planned it.

And the sheep looks like she has seen this exact same thing play out a few times before…

Tim
Tim
4 years ago

Why do WHTM subscribers hate MGTOW? MGTOW want nothing but insignificant contact with women – especially the types from WHTM. Shouldn’t WHTM subscribers be more interested in men that actually care about WHTM women?

MGTOW are free from the bondage of slavery through marriage to a woman and to a misandric society that sees men as nothing more than an easily manipulated, easily controllable, easily used and disposable male utility.

MGTOW realize that every effort is being made to ensure that the fulfilling, sovereign life MGTOW live today – a life free of gynocentric, progressive and conservative abuse laden control – is destroyed.

MGTOW know that the aforementioned anti-male gynocentrists are working furiously to ensure that a life like mine – a life free from women’s and white knight’s crucifying, man-hating power – is unattainable for the vast majority of current and future men. WHTM women are the nuclear response to MGTOW.

MGTOW are grateful to have the opportunity to live a life free of the control gynocentrists and their boot licking government and corporate white knights wish to force upon myself and upon most men of the world.

MGTOW are fortunate to have the opportunity to be a MGHOW. WHTM women are slaves to the patriarchy.

Things to teach your sons to watch out for – unless you want them destroyed by a woman or white knight:

Cohabitation Rights Bill – Allows girlfriends the same rights to asset division and alimony married women enjoy – only after X number of months of dating or cohabitation.

Affirmative Consent – College men accused or rape or sexual assault denied an attorney, rights to know the accuser, rights to a trial by jury, rights to defend himself. Major push to have this new college law made a part of criminal law. An accusation of sexual assault will be enough to put men away – regardless of evidence to the contrary. Right now – an accusation alone gets men expelled from college.

Feminist Hate Speech Legislation – Legislation designed to silence criticism of feminism/gynocentrism and make such speech a criminal offense. Active in parts of Canada.

Coercive Control Abuse Legislation – Used to put men in jail for denying their wives or girlfriends female privilege in any way – now law in the UK.

VAWA – Doesn’t matter if the bruise she claims you put there was from something else. You will be sent to jail on her word alone. You will be removed from your home and denied access to your children.

Restraining Orders – Men automatically removed from their homes, their bank accounts frozen, their drivers licensees and passports revoked, all from an unproven accusation.

Debtors Prison – Men put in jail for nonpayment of alimony and/or child support – regardless of health issues, bad economy, psychological problems, etc.

Parental Alienation – The process of waylaying false accusations against men (abuse, molestation, etc) to deny men access to their children and/or custody rights.

Men pay the vast majority (90+ percent) of alimony and child support. Men make up 98% of combat and work related deaths. Men are the vast majority of homeless – but have almost no homeless centers for men. Men’s suicide rate is many more times that of a woman’s.

Teach Your Sons Well – Unless of Course You Hate Them

LindsayIrene
4 years ago

I firmly believe that red pandas are actually toys. They are too absurdly cute to be real animals that evolved in the wild.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

Seriously why are all animals so perfect. 🙁

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dhag

I know! This was the thing I was wondering about on the other thread. I know there’s the explanation that they look like baby humans but I don’t find babies cute, but animals are.

The only explanation I can think of is its a throwback to when we had fur.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@Alan

Maybe it’s in part because we recognize how sincere and naive they are.

EDIT: Yup I called all animals naive. Deal with it, lizards.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dhag

But foxes are cute and they’re famously cunning and clever. Even Steven Fry is just the spiritual successor to Basil Brush.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Thanks for the nice comments! I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that.

@Penny Psmith – It sucks that you got comments like that. Even in the Grammar Geeks group on LinkedIn (I hang out in exciting Internet places) I’ve noticed that the comments pointing out possible sexism in language rarely get upvotes.

…They did have an interesting discussion about using singular “they” a while back, though. At first it was mostly about “they” being a more convenient way of saying “he/she,” but then someone mentioned agender and gender-nonconforming people, which was generally received positively (more of an attitude of “oh, cool, I didn’t know that” rather than “no, that doesn’t exist because it’s not in my experience”).

@dhag85 – Happy Birthday! Also the squirrel photobomb made me laugh.

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

MGTOW are free from the bondage of slavery through marriage to a woman and to a misandric society that sees men as nothing more than an easily manipulated, easily controllable, easily used and disposable male utility.

MGTOW are fortunate to have the opportunity to be a MGHOW. WHTM women are slaves to the patriarchy.

So which is it? Are we living in a patriarchy or is this a misandric society? It’s a little hard to have both, you know.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago

Why do WHTM subscribers hate MGTOW? MGTOW want nothing but insignificant contact with women – especially the types from WHTM.

Not insignificant enough it seems.

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

Oh, another MGTOW troll not MGTOWing hard enoguh? Meh.

Wait, someone said Stephen Fry??

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Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Which reminds me, I need to ‘shop a “Men Going Straight To The Nearest Feminist Blog” logo at some point.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Tim

Just go your own damn way already.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Tim | January 8, 2016 at 5:14 pm
Why do WHTM subscribers hate MGTOW? MGTOW want nothing but insignificant contact with women – especially the types from WHTM.

And yet, here you are Timmy. There you MIGTOWs go sending those mixed signals again. Do you hate us and want to Go Your Own Way, or do you actually want to be here and talk to us?

Either you want to Go Your Own Way, or you don’t. You can’t just stand in the doorway straddling the door frame. You’re letting all the heat out!

Shouldn’t WHTM subscribers be more interested in men that actually care about WHTM women?

Days since someone misunderstood the tagline of the blog: 0

We’re not here to be “interested in men” (though, I know in your little world all women are only interested in what they can do for/to men, it’s just not, y’know, reality.) we’re here to mock misogyny.

As such, I should inform you that men are not the only ones capable of spreading misogyny. We have tags on several prominent FeMRAs, as well as a few well-known women who are anti-feminist.

So, no, we’re not just concerned with only men, Timmy. And no, we still don’t want to fuck you.

MGTOW are free from the bondage of slavery through marriage to a woman and to a misandric society that sees men as nothing more than an easily manipulated, easily controllable, easily used and disposable male utility.

Good for you.

MGTOW realize that every effort is being made to ensure that the fulfilling, sovereign life MGTOW live today – a life free of gynocentric, progressive and conservative abuse laden control – is destroyed.

MGTOW know that the aforementioned anti-male gynocentrists are working furiously to ensure that a life like mine – a life free from women’s and white knight’s crucifying, man-hating power – is unattainable for the vast majority of current and future men. WHTM women are the nuclear response to MGTOW.

Except nothing’s fucking stopping you from “going your own way”.

Literally nothing. There’s no conspiracy to destroy your “free life”, there’s no one out to force you into “slavery” to a woman. You could go Galt any fucking day now, and no one would care.

We actually do want you to go your own fucking way already. The problem is you’re standing in the doorway pontificating to women (who you supposedly want nothing to do with), while we’re just like “Bon Voyage, Timmy! Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!”

Seriously. No one cares if you don’t want to get married Timmy. No one cares if you don’t want to date. No one here cares.

I think part of the problem is you want us to care. But sincerely, we really fucking don’t. You want us to beg you not to leave, you want us to promise you everything you want from mid-day blowies, taking care of your “brood”, to fresh sammiches, and we’re just not going to give it to you.

MGTOW are grateful to have the opportunity to live a life free of the control gynocentrists and their boot licking government and corporate white knights wish to force upon myself and upon most men of the world.

Ah, yes, the government made by the white, cis, rich, heterosexual male is somehow opposing the poor widdle white, cis, heterosexual men by…not being as shitty to women, LGBTQA+ people, and PoC as they used to be.

My heart bleeds for you.

http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbehp2G7YV1qg8gy8o3_r2_250.gif

MGTOW are fortunate to have the opportunity to be a MGHOW. WHTM women are slaves to the patriarchy.

Wait, so are we in control to the government and are somehow forcing you to get married and be slaves to women, or are we “slaves to the patriarchy”? Because both of these things can’t be true, Timmy.

Methinks Timmy isn’t sure what “the patriarchy” is.

Things to teach your sons to watch out for – unless you want them destroyed by a woman or white knight:

Oh, this should be good.

Cohabitation Rights Bill – Allows girlfriends the same rights to asset division and alimony married women enjoy – only after X number of months of dating or cohabitation.

Okay, this is a UK relevant thing, so those of us in the States might be a bit out of the loop, so I Googled it (which I would assuredly teach my son how to do). I would also defer to Alan on all the points I’m about to make here, as I’m not exactly savvy in UK law. I’m an artist, not a lawyer. But, good thing I know how to Google and read things!

According to the bill, it’s there to provide protections to “persons” (which sounds very gender neutral) who are in cohabitant relationships.

So, this would also protect men as well, not just women, and it would cover both same-sex and different-sex couples. However, obviously giving protection to us feeemales in any degree is apparently a plot to force men like Timmy here into some kind of slavery. Because Timmy believes that rights and protections under the law are finite resources, and giving any to us feeemales would be taking it away from their rightful owners, the MEN.

Of course, the obvious way to avoid any issues with this law would be to not move in with your significant other and live in separate houses, and not to have children with them, but Timmy is of course nothing if not a man who likes to exaggerate things.

Oh, and the bill has “prohibited degrees of relationship” to exclude incestuous relationships or adopted children shacking up with their adopted parent(s), which could be good for helping to protect abuse victims.

I’ve only given this a cursory glance, but if anyone else (besides Timmy) would like to add their two cents, by all means please do.

Affirmative Consent – College men accused or rape or sexual assault denied an attorney, rights to know the accuser, rights to a trial by jury, rights to defend himself. Major push to have this new college law made a part of criminal law. An accusation of sexual assault will be enough to put men away – regardless of evidence to the contrary. Right now – an accusation alone gets men expelled from college.

This does apply to the US, but it seems to vary state-to-state. So I’ll be talking about my home state of California for a bit.

So, what is Affirmative Consent? Affirmative Consent is “affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity”. That’s it.

It’s a law that simply states “If the victim was passed out, didn’t agree to sex, and/or had to be coerced into it, it was rape”.

No where in there does it say anything about automagically locking men up for even being accused of rape, and I would love for Timmy to provide examples of this actually fucking happening.

And while Timmy’s ignoring my request, I’ll go ahead and post statistics showing that most rapists don’t even get punished, and most victims (of all genders) are afraid of coming forward for a myriad of reasons.

Feminist Hate Speech Legislation – Legislation designed to silence criticism of feminism/gynocentrism and make such speech a criminal offense. Active in parts of Canada.

Ah yes, another one of the Manosphere’s worst enemies: People telling them they can’t call hate speech “criticism” and continue to harass people.

“You’re a feminist c*nt!” isn’t criticism.

Threatening to kill women because they disagreed with you on the internet isn’t criticism.

Threating a woman with rape because she “stepped out of line” isn’t criticism.

Calling someone a homophobic slur, or telling them that they’re going to hell for being homosexual isn’t criticism.

Calling someone a racist slur isn’t criticism.

And perhaps if you understood that, then you’d realize that this law wouldn’t be a problem.

The thing about feminist criticism is: Feminists manage to do it all the fucking time without using hate speech. And yet, the manosphere can’t even manage that.

Coercive Control Abuse Legislation – Used to put men in jail for denying their wives or girlfriends female privilege in any way – now law in the UK.

Coercive abuse isn’t “denying wives or girlfriends female privilege”, it’s controlling and dominating your partner in an abusive way, you horseradish and pumpernickel sandwich.

It’s denying them access to the outside world via socializing or social media, it’s dictating what they wear, it’s threatening them, humiliating them, intimidating them, or controlling every little thing they do. This is abuse, and yes, it would still be abuse if a woman did it to a man.

It’s rather telling you think this is just “men denying women female privilege” though. It’s rather telling how most Manospherians think abuse is a-ok when it’s “keeping the females in line”.

Oh, and would you look at that? This law is gender neutral as well! So, if a woman does this to a man, she’ll be arrested for abuse! Yay!

VAWA – Doesn’t matter if the bruise she claims you put there was from something else. You will be sent to jail on her word alone. You will be removed from your home and denied access to your children.

VAWA only granted police departments more money to investigate domestic violence, not just randomly throw men in jail.

Do you not know what a fucking “investigation” is? Or even watch some sort of crime drama?

Hell, every instance of domestic abuse I’ve seen on Cops always has the cops ask both parties what happened at the very least.

Restraining Orders – Men automatically removed from their homes, their bank accounts frozen, their drivers licensees and passports revoked, all from an unproven accusation.

Again, “investigation” is a word you apparently don’t know the meaning of.

You don’t get your bank account frozen, or have your drivers license or your passport revoked. All the restraining order does is say “Stay X distance away from this person. Don’t contact them in any way. They don’t want you around them.”

If you live with the person who is getting a restraining order against you, one of you has to move out, and you will get the opportunity to remove your personal belongings from the home if you are the one who needs to leave, but you will need police supervision as you do so. And if they choose to move out instead, they will be given the same police escort to get their personal belongings, as well as anything they can prove is theirs.

On top of that, if someone has a restraining order against you, you also have an option to contest it and go in front of a judge to dispute it, if you so choose.

Debtors Prison – Men put in jail for nonpayment of alimony and/or child support – regardless of health issues, bad economy, psychological problems, etc.

And this does suck, and most feminists would agree with you, especially those of us who have health issues or psychological problems, or who are also struggling with the economy. (These are not men-only problems.) And there are plenty of programs like Club Reinvent out of Virginia, that are out there to help people avoid going to jail for lack of payment.

However, outright refusing to support your children for whatever reason isn’t excusable. Saying “I just don’t want to pay child support!”, “I don’t want to support their mother!” isn’t fair to them, who rely on their parents to survive.

Parental Alienation – The process of waylaying false accusations against men (abuse, molestation, etc) to deny men access to their children and/or custody rights.

And parents who do this are shitty, and yes, fathers do it too, and yes, they’re just as shitty as the women who do it.

However, if the accusations are, in fact, true, then they don’t deserve to see their children. And yes, this is for either parent.

Men pay the vast majority (90+ percent) of alimony and child support.

That’s mostly gross-as-fuck gender roles at play. Women are the caretakers of the house and children, men are the breadwinners, and this is patriarchy in action.

Not to mention there’s also toxic masculinity in play: Men just sometimes don’t want to ask for help. They see it as a sign of “weakness”, and see getting alimony, especially from their ex-wife, as a “hand out”, or “begging”, and a lot of men will suffer without the money instead to maintain their pride.

And those men will also insist that if the roles were reversed, they’d fight paying alimony tooth and nail, which is also bullshit.

And yes, I want to have a rework of alimony too. It sucks pretty much all around as it is now.

Here’s a good Forbes article on the subject.

Men make up 98% of combat and work related deaths.

Women were banned (in the United States) from being in combat roles in 1994, and this wasn’t lifted until 2013. In fact, just last month, the US Department of Defense finally said that they’d allow women in all roles in the military. And considering it was men saying that women weren’t fit for combat, or they’d distract the male soldiers…

The majority of occupational deaths occur among men. In one U.S. study, 93% of deaths on the job involved men,[4] with a death rate approximately 11 times higher than women. The industries with the highest death rates are mining, agriculture, forestry, fishing, and construction, all of which employ more men than women.[5]

[Source]

So yeah, most of the dangerous jobs don’t hire as many women.

I wonder why those statistics are the way they are.

Men are the vast majority of homeless – but have almost no homeless centers for men.

And what exactly are you doing about it besides yelling at women on the internet over it? And why are you using men’s problems as a bludgeon against feminists who actually do give a shit about this and some of whom actually work with homeless men?

Men’s suicide rate is many more times that of a woman’s.

Ah yes, this old chestnut of a PRATT.

Instead of breaking this shit down for you, because it is a Point Refuted A Thousand Times, I’m just going to link you some things and give you some quotes, because I highly doubt that you’re actually going to read all of this.

Suicide Statistics by Natalie Statts Reiss, Ph.D. and Mark Dombeck, Ph.D.

As mentioned previously, older Caucasian males commit suicide at the highest rate of any population group. Older men are more likely to use lethal methods (e.g., firearms) than older women and people of other ages.

Men are more likely to commit suicide than women. Researchers suggest that men suffering from depression are more likely to go unrecognized and untreated than women suffering from depression, in part because men may avoid seeking help (viewing it as a weakness). Men who are depressed are also more likely to have co-occurring alcohol and substance use disorders than women.

There’s that Toxic Masculinity I mentioned earlier again.

Men are more likely than women to use highly lethal methods to commit suicide. Men are more likely than women to use a gun, carbon monoxide, to hang themselves, or to jump from a height to commit suicide. In addition, men who are intoxicated and suicidal are more likely to use a gun than females who are intoxicated and suicidal.

Women are more likely than men to attempt suicide. In terms of method, women tend to overdose or to cut their wrists.

Why do More Men Commit Suicide? by Peter R. Orszag of Bloomberg

Gender Differences in Suicide – Wikipedia

The Gender Inequality of Suicide: Why Are Men at Such High Risk? by Alice G. Walton of Forbes

Though, of course, I’d ask what you’re doing to help all of this as well, besides complaining on the internet to people who are actually rather sympathetic about male suicide, and aren’t using it as a bludgeon to score “points” in a discussion with feminists.

Teach Your Sons Well – Unless of Course You Hate Them

I will teach my sons (if I have them, or have kids at all) to avoid Manospherians like the plague, thank you very much.

Because no one hates men more or thinks less of men than men like you who insist that all men are abusive, rapist douchecanoes who need to hurt women in order to “maintain order” or to project all their problems on women in order to ignore all their problems or actually do something about them. I’d like to think my hypothetical future sons are better than that.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs | January 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm
Which reminds me, I need to ‘shop a “Men Going Straight To The Nearest Feminist Blog” logo at some point.

Oooh, can I do one too? And if people like it, I can put it up in the store maybe?

Because the best thing about it is: It can be used to mock Miggytoes and can also be worn by feminist allies!

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Is a new teal deer troll lurking under the bridge? Why, yes! I just finished writing a new blog post, so I’m already in a drunken typing state, so I got this.

Why do WHTM subscribers hate MGTOW? MGTOW want nothing but insignificant contact with women – especially the types from WHTM. Shouldn’t WHTM subscribers be more interested in men that actually care about WHTM women?

For the eleventy billionth time, we discuss MGTOW because you never actually go your own way! You troll feminist spaces, you constantly obsess over women and how evil we are, you constantly rage wank all over the god damn internet about it. Just go. Go your own away already! If you weren’t spewing misogyny all over the place, we wouldn’t be mocking you. Trust me, we’re not interested in you for anything other than mocking.

MGTOW are free from the bondage of slavery through marriage to a woman and to a misandric society that sees men as nothing more than an easily manipulated, easily controllable, easily used and disposable male utility.

Aren’t you a drama queen? I could say drama king since you’re obviously a guy, but I think I’ll compare you to something feeeemale just to piss you off.

I don’t think you have the slightest fucking clue what slavery is. Men who choose to get married are consenting. Slaves do not consent. That you can make the choice not to get married proves you are in no way a slave. It’s fucking offensive to compare being a married man to slavery.

MGTOW realize that every effort is being made to ensure that the fulfilling, sovereign life MGTOW live today – a life free of gynocentric, progressive and conservative abuse laden control – is destroyed

How is this now? I can’t speak for the conservative side of things, but the worst thing we on the progressive side are doing is mocking you. So how are we destroying your lifestyle. Seriously. Go your own way. Nobody is stopping you. If you didn’t make a post here, we wouldn’t even be aware of your pathetic existence. You know that, right?

MGTOW know that the aforementioned anti-male gynocentrists are working furiously to ensure that a life like mine – a life free from women’s and white knight’s crucifying, man-hating power – is unattainable for the vast majority of current and future men. WHTM women are the nuclear response to MGTOW.

Again with the dramatics. How does mocking a misogynistic and rapey reddit post prevent you from not proposing to any women? Please explain it to me. I don’t see the connection. I guess I’m flattered that you see me, a “WHTM woman” as having so much influence over your day to day life though. I didn’t know I was so powerful. But since I have the ability to order you around, I simply must tell you that I prefer the label Mammotheer over WHTM Woman.

MGTOW are grateful to have the opportunity to live a life free of the control gynocentrists and their boot licking government and corporate white knights wish to force upon myself and upon most men of the world.

Grateful? If MGTOWs are so grateful, why do you always make posts that are full of seething rage? I can see the flecks on your screen from here, dude. I’m also going to need you to explain corporate white knight to me. I’m actually pretty anti capitalist and I don’t really see how powerful corporations are in anyway an ally to feminism. Are you just trying to say that working for corporations sucks for men? Because I have news for you. It sucks for us too! Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t mean it’s feminist. Grow up.

MGTOW are fortunate to have the opportunity to be a MGHOW. WHTM women are slaves to the patriarchy.

What the fuck does this even mean?

Things to teach your sons to watch out for – unless you want them destroyed by a woman or white knight:

Oh please, Timmy. Do bestow your pearls of wisdom on us. I can’t wait!

Cohabitation Rights Bill – Allows girlfriends the same rights to asset division and alimony married women enjoy – only after X number of months of dating or cohabitation.

I’m pretty sure you just dreamed this one up after doing bath salts. I really don’t think you get how common law marriage works.

Affirmative Consent – College men accused or rape or sexual assault denied an attorney, rights to know the accuser, rights to a trial by jury, rights to defend himself. Major push to have this new college law made a part of criminal law. An accusation of sexual assault will be enough to put men away – regardless of evidence to the contrary. Right now – an accusation alone gets men expelled from college

Oh no, you have to get consent before having sex!? Such misandry!

Feminist Hate Speech Legislation – Legislation designed to silence criticism of feminism/gynocentrism and make such speech a criminal offense. Active in parts of Canada.

Criticism and hate speech are not the same thing. You need to learn the basic meanings of words before you make an attempt to have any kind of conversation about law. You really do.

Coercive Control Abuse Legislation – Used to put men in jail for denying their wives or girlfriends female privilege in any way – now law in the UK.

Not being abused = female privilege? Who knew!

That’s actually really fucking sick that you think it’s some horrible burden to be expected to not abuse your partner. Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you? It’s laughable that you think we’re lamenting someone as contemptible as you withdrawing from the dating pool. Again I say, go your own goddamn way already.

VAWA – Doesn’t matter if the bruise she claims you put there was from something else. You will be sent to jail on her word alone. You will be removed from your home and denied access to your children.

Citation needed.

Restraining Orders – Men automatically removed from their homes, their bank accounts frozen, their drivers licensees and passports revoked, all from an unproven accusation.

Again, learn what terms mean before you try to use them. All a restraining order does is order you not to go within a certain distance of someone. And female stalkers and abusers can get served with restraining orders too, you know. Why do you want to take away protections from male abuse victims?

Debtors Prison – Men put in jail for nonpayment of alimony and/or child support – regardless of health issues, bad economy, psychological problems, etc.

Citation needed again. Jail is a last resort that happens only if a deadbeat dad doesn’t work in good faith with the courts. I know, as a feminist and progressive I tend to oppose debtor’s prison for any kind of debts. A father would really have to purposely neglect his child to make jail appropriate. It doesn’t really help the kid to put their parent’s in jail, after all. Of course, you’re too busy arguing with the straw feminists in your head to realize that “SJWs” tend not to be big cheerleaders for the prison industrial complex.

Parental Alienation – The process of waylaying false accusations against men (abuse, molestation, etc) to deny men access to their children and/or custody rights.

So, first you argue for the right of men to completely neglect their children, and/or abuse their wives but you don’t want the kids or their mothers to be unhappy about it? Okay, Timmy. That makes total sense.

Men pay the vast majority (90+ percent) of alimony and child support. Men make up 98% of combat and work related deaths. Men are the vast majority of homeless – but have almost no homeless centers for men. Men’s suicide rate is many more times that of a woman’s.

Alimony is not actually all that common anymore because most women work now and it’s not feminists who push the narrative that women are the ones who have to be the primary caretakers of children. The reason men have to pay child support more often is that men tend not to seek custody and tend not to have ever been the primary caretakers. If you don’t want kids, put a glove on it or abstain. If you do want kids, it’s your responsibility to care for them.

Women in the US just got the right to be in combat positions in the military. Feminism made that possible by challenging gender roles. So what’s your problem? Feminists are also not typically opposed to strong labor rights laws. Women, despite efforts by men to push them out of the labor movement, have always been part of the effort to make workplaces safer and better. Check out Mother Jones. The woman, not the magazine. Although the magazine is pretty good too. So again, why get mad at us? Your beef is with capitalism. Nobody here is a Randroid, sonny.

Teach Your Sons Well – Unless of Course You Hate Them

Or not. Teaching hate does nothing positive for anyone of any gender.

Tovius
Tovius
4 years ago

@Tim

The door’s over there. Please go your own way.

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Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Oooh, can I do one too? And if people like it, I can put it up in the store maybe?

Absolutely! Especially since all my attempts just look like flaccid dicks. Damn their phallic logo. =P

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Thanks for taking the time and energy to write to us, Tim, telling us all about how you’ve gone your own way.

But why you would interrupt your life, the “fulfilling, sovereign life MGTOW live today” or your superhuman efforts to fight those who refuse to allow most men to live this life? After all, “the horrific anti-male gynocentrists are working furiously to ensure that a life like mine – a life free from women’s and white knight’s crucifying, man-hating power – is unattainable for the vast majority of current and future men.”

Good grief, man! You’re either lounging about blissfully or battling the enemy in the street — and yet you take time out to write to us!

I am humbled.


Bonne chance avec votre contre-révolution!

Good luck with your counterrevolution!

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@dhag85

Grattis på födelsedagen!

I hope that it’s a very enjoyable day and that your (31st?) year is fulfilling.

dust bunny
dust bunny
4 years ago

So what’s your problem? Feminists are also not typically opposed to strong labor rights laws. Women, despite efforts by men to push them out of the labor movement, have always been part of the effort to make workplaces safer and better. … So again, why get mad at us? Your beef is with capitalism. Nobody here is a Randroid, sonny.

Thing is, MGTOW and MRAs ARE randroids. They don’t want strong labor laws. They’ve said it themselves multiple times, the solution they would be happy with is not to increase workplace safety for anyone, but to engineer “Women in STEM” -type campaigns, only for the lowest status, worst paid, dirtiest, most dangerous jobs, and remove redistributive economic policies and otherwise put pressure on women to take those jobs until women die as frequently on the job as men do.

Aside from how immoral this “solution” is, it doesn’t even make sense on a practical level for a million reasons, but that’s not the point for them. This isn’t about fixing any problems, it’s about scoring hits against their perceived enemy in the gender wars. They think all of this is somehow a devastating attack against feminist hypocrisy and entitlement.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@Tim

Other people have said this already, but I have only one thing for you: If MGTOWs don’t want anything to do with feminists/women/WHTM commenter, then why do you all keep flocking here to talk to us? Why did you come here to talk to us, if you don’t want anything to do with us?

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@Kat

Thanks! 🙂

I just turned 31 so this coming year would be my 32nd year, right? Gonna go open presents right NOW.

kiki
kiki
4 years ago

Same thing with “make love”: if there’s a grammatical subject/object construction, I prefer “make love with” to “make love to” (David, thanks for using the right preposition in the post above!) because the “to” makes it seem like the subject (usually a man) has all the agency and the object (usually a women) is treated like, well, an object.

Manosphere types are more along the lines of “I’m going to make love at you.”

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

Good haul!

Xenoblade Chronicles X
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
A mandoline (so I can finally make zucchini pasta :p)
This book:

http://images.ttcdn.co/media/i/product/3027-cf9731c61c794faba288383433704520.jpeg

And I was also promised Fire Emblem Fates once it comes out in a few months. And we’re going out for vegetarian Indian food tonight. Perfect! 🙂

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@Bakunin

If it needs clarifying, I do not think that anyone should be going around with a penis or extra equipment obtained, to penetrate the orifices of the unwilling and/or disinterested. To do otherwise would be rape regardless of whether or not it’s a penis or equipment substitution.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@dhag85

Btw, happy birthday!

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@Alan

But do we really believe that foxes are clever and cunning? Maybe in the abstract, but when you actually meet a fox you quickly realize it’s basically just a cooler dog. When I see an actual owl I also don’t think it’s wise. It’s dumb! And very cute.

@msexceptiontotherule

Thank you. 🙂

Shadow
Shadow
4 years ago

Why do WHTM subscribers hate MGTOW?

Well, this promises to be original…

wall of regurgitation

@dhag
Belated wishes

@SFHC

Especially since all my attempts just look like flaccid dicks.

Seems rather apropos for a bunch of dicks that can’t be bothered to get up and go already

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@dhag

I love my mandoline. It’s great for making apple chips, pickle slices, and anything involving sliced potatoes. I’ve never used it for zucchini pasta though–need to read up on how to do that.

masque d'étoiles
masque d'étoiles
4 years ago
Reply to  kiki

@Kiki – for manosphere types, what’s love got to do with it? Srsly.

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

I’m going to add a little bit more on alimony to help combat Timmy’s misinformation. I’d say “set Timmy straight” but that’s not going to happen.

Alimony is only rewarded to spouses whose contribution to the marriage was to stay home and raise the children (usually the wife in our society, but not always), therefore have either no job skills or whose job skills are so stale it’s going to be hard for her to find employment. In most cases the alimony is limited to five to ten years to give the requesting spouse time to get more training and find sustainable employment. In some cases the alimony is permanent if the requesting spouse is older and the chance of getting a job even after gaining new skills is slim.

Most of the time since many women are college-educated and have their own jobs while married, they’re expected to support themselves just like their ex-husbands. The view of the court these days is that when people who are married go their separate ways, they need to make a complete break instead of continuing to depend on an ex-spouse for support.

But MRAs and MGTOWs don’t want to hear that. They want to keep believing that all women are automatically entitled to three-fourths of a man’s paycheck upon filing for divorce until the day one of them dies, forcing him in the poorhouse while she lives high on the hog.

As for child support, Timmy’s wrong there, too. If you are paying support and truly have hit hard times that prevent you from making those monthly payments, like disability, a job with lesser pay, unemployment, etc., you can petition the court to lower your payments. The purpose of child support is to (oddly enough) support the child, not punish a parent by putting them in the poorhouse.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ paradoxy

You’ve pretty much covered the rebuttal to the cohabitation rights bill. I’ll just chip in with some background for legal nerds.

It had generally been recognised that when a non married couple split up there might be some financial issues to resolve, especially where there were kids. It’s an old cliche that there’s no such thing as a common law marriage, but this often caught people out.

Previous governments though needed to pay heed to the ‘sanctity of marriage’ argument to keep voters happy so they avoided legislating and left matters to the courts.

The courts tried to do fairness by employing various equitable remedies, partnership law, weird concepts like resulting and constructive trusts etc.

Eventually everyone realised this was silly and even the Conservative party wouldn’t lose many votes from acknowledging that lots of people chose to live together but not get married. Hence the act.

In practice all it does is allow people to apply to the court if they’d think asserts should be divvied up in a particular way. You have to show an entitlement to the asset though, it doesn’t create any new obligations. Basically it tries to put the parties back into the position they would have been had they never co habited. Oh, and it doesn’t allow for continuing payments, it’s a clean break thing.

For people who find this some sort of oppression the cohabitees can opt out of the provisions of the act if they both want to anyway.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago
Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

@Alan: Thanks for covering that. I know you have far more experience with this than I do. : 3

@Jackie: *bows*

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
4 years ago

Umm

The process of waylaying false accusations

what?

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ paradoxy

No worries. The whole bill is a bit of a storm in a teacup really. It doesn’t alter the factual position at all and it’s voluntary. Makes life a bit easier for judges though.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
4 years ago

@dhag85

Happy Birthday!

Robert
Robert
4 years ago

By now, Timiny is back at the He-Man Woman Hater’s Club treehouse, swigging a Capri Sun and boasting how he counted coup on the scary feminists and white knighters.

cointelpro
cointelpro
4 years ago

what the fuck is wrong with these people? is it just stupidity and hatred or what?

Drunklurker
Drunklurker
4 years ago

Ah yes f**ker vs f**kee. I like the quote (which I’m misquoting) that men expect to always be the actors for which women are the audience. This feels true when hanging out with a guy who only thinks I’m fun if I laugh at his jokes – my own (obviously AMAZING) jokes are irrelevant – my value as a companion is how good I am at being his audience. Same with sex – I’m a good shag if he comes out feeling like he did a good job – like somehow he’s the only one actively participating – I’m a passive recipient. Grrrrrr.

Hatef**king though – I totally get that. To each their own but someone you react to is critical for me in good sex – the reaction can be annoyance or adoration, but it has to be a reactive situation with intensity. In pursuit of good sex I have realised deep intellectual respect is sexy, but not as sexy (for me) as someone who riles me either through love or hate. Not saying it’s for everyone but I totally understand having explosive good sex with someone you dislike not inspite of disagreeing with something about them, but actually because of it. Turns out my sex drive doesn’t care about my morals – I can have great sex with a guy whose personal views infuriate me..in the same way I think you can find brilliant qualities in the same person who also has some shitty ones.

I genuinely think those are the best people (brilliant in one respect but who you disagree with fundamentally in others) – seeing that you can hold different views to someone and still appreciate they are brilliant is a really good way (for me) to get better at tolerance and stop assuming that my views are correct and that anyone who sees it differently is just stupid or immoral. In politics particularly its very easy to assume the opposite side are just idiots or assholes and to dehumanise them as no decent person could agree with x,y,z..whereas in reality I’ve realised that brilliant people I know can hold views I dislike so it’s not a matter of good people believe what I believe and bad people believe the opposite

Quiana
4 years ago

Omg i am so happy!!! =) i love this cat it looks like my real cat oliver .. I wont this siuatngre orange cat !!! He is on his way in the mail! Soo excited cant wait add me GFYEJ