Jimmy Kimmel Mocks Return of Kings With A More Manly Version of The Force Awakens

I read the Wikipedia talk page. Especially the ShadowKomet thread. Oh myyy. He certainly had a lot of free time and nothing useful to fill it with.

The idea of buying sex being illegal while selling it is not was a bit of a puzzle for me at first, but the more I think about it the more least-bad it looks. Women having options for supporting themselves and their families with non-exploitive occupations would be better – but then, I think we all knew that already.

RE: Publicity for RoK

For a long time I’ve had the problem of engaging my otherwise very tuned-in friends in a conversation about modern misogyny, that they aren’t aware of ‘movements’ in the first place. If internet misogynistic groups are too obscure to discuss in public media, why is it that they have a silencing effect (sorry if I use that incorrectly, damn my English) on people who bring up feminist ideas in public media? If people are bombarded with online threats by these groups or like-minded people, why should it not be discussed (or mocked) openly?

I agree that their ideas should not be taken seriously enough to actually DEBATE them in public discourse, but why not make them the butt of the joke to drive in the point that we don’t want to accept their abusive views as a society?

To me it’s important to both take them seriously as an unequalist bunch, and to diminish their egos by dragging them out into the daylight from their echo chambers so they’ll know where people stand. Or to translate a Finnishism into English: So they’ll know which hole the chicken pisses out of. (I never understood what that meant either.)

RE: Prostitution

Thanks so much everyone for discussing this, I’m learning and this is an important topic I’m going to bring up in discussions about feminism in the context of modern capitalism.

Someone with actual legal knowledge might have something more or different to say, but I think there may be a distinction in most places between “legal” and “decriminalized”.

I’m not sure that, in the US, a case could be made for the legalization of prostitution (even if it’s solely prostituting onesself) while arresting and prosecuting those who enable it (pimps/madams – “enabling” isn’t quite the right word, but it’s probably how they’d characterize their activities) and utilize it (johns…are women who use prostitutes called janes?); but you could probably decriminalize selling sex as a singular person (“This isn’t exactly ‘legal’, but you, yourself will not be arrested for engaging in it,”) while still prosecuting those who indirectly profit it from it as well as those who legalize it.

As others have said, it’s not quite like talking about legalizing vs decriminalizing pot because the “product being consumed” is a person with consciousness and agency (of some degree, anyway, though it may be severely stifled under untold layers of abuse and coersion in many cases).

And I realize that some may rejoinder with, “The prostitute’s not the product – the sex is!” in much the same way that it can be argued that your employer is buying your time rather than you in any bog-standard job in a capitalist system.

But it remains that sex is a singular thing to many people. I was going to modify “singular _______ thing” with something, but I couldn’t think of a broad enough word – intimate, personal, invasive…these all are potentially accurate but not sufficient.

Arguing otherwise (and I have heard people argue otherwise) is as tone deaf to the experiences of others as is an MGTOW arguing that sex-on-demand should be instituted because “it’s just something going into an orafice” or an MRA arguing that rape should be classed the same as any other physical assault.

@Freemage – Because having ears that haven’t succumbed to frostbite is soooooooo passé.

I’ve never been to Chicago but lived in the upper Great Lakes region of New York for a while…
…Fuck that guy.

Actual internal dialogue I had while up there in early March:

“Today’s not so bad, really. Just kind of crisp…and I just realized that I’m praising the weather because it’s above -5°F and doesn’t hurt to breathe while walking between my car and the library.”

@binjabreel:

I always felt like Jimmy Kimmel was using the show to mock ridiculous masculinity. Adam Carolla on the other hand… I’m not sure he understood the mockery part.

I think, in an ideal world, sex work would be legal and socially acceptable, though it would need to be heavily regulated and need to have a lot of protection for the sex workers.

But I’m not really sure about how to get from here to there. A lot of people seem to want to legalize it and then just let “the invisible hand of the market” fix everything that’s wrong with it, and I kinda doubt that would work very well.

What I do know, is that the current situation is unacceptable. Currently sex workers can’t get help with anything because they’ll be arrested for prostitution if they try. The current system is basically designed to protect abusers, and to give their victims no way out. That’s unacceptable.

I made a post that seems to have been eaten by the spam filter. I was replying to SFHC, asking what my point was. Basically, I’m wary of attempts to explain the Koeln attacks because they strike me as over-explaining the already-explicable. Racists say it’s because of refugees and immigrants, feminists say it’s because of the red light district — or in other words, everyone blames whatever they’re already opposed to. I think we should consider the possibility that this is just a random fluctuation in the already-appalling baseline level of gendered violence which happens to have gotten an international spotlight. I spent 30 minutes looking for crime stats on Koeln or Germany overall that might prove me wrong and/or back me up, but didn’t find anything useful.

Additional reading for those amused by the MTGOW Wikipedia talk stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

The original creator of the MGTOW page plus some random cheerleader strongly recommend deleting it because the WP editors aren’t letting them use it as a brochure.

Cuck a doodle doo

@dlouwe

Oh God, the MRA on that page with (if I’ve counted correctly) 36 confirmed socks, all with hyper-stereotypical usernames like “Fearless Speaker Of Truth,” “Conspiracy To Tell The Truth” and “Heil Trump.” He’s almost as dedicated as some of the trolls here.

@SFHC

Ha, wow, I completely missed that. I mostly skipped that user’s comments because they looked like a bunch of white noise. I guess my bullshit detector is working!

Freemage:

He kindly did suggest that an exception could be made for days when it hits 20 below zero, though, so he has some shred of human kindness (not enough sarcasm tags on the internet for that one).

Anyone surprised this guy works for a local FOX affiliate?

Because the discomfort of women is less important than how they look even though the same can be said of men? All the nope.

But the FOX affiliate dig isn’t fair, so far as I can tell. The affiliates don’t have the reputation of the FOX corporate news entities from what I have heard. As a data point, the FOX affiliate in the L.A.* market is in no way different from the other networks’ affiliates. That being said, I quit watching all local news years ago because there was so little actual news aside from weather and sports, just lots of fluff pieces and stuff that functions as advertising. And shootings. Lots of shootings, though that’s probably an L.A. thing.

*I don’t live there anymore, but still get those local channels along with San Diego local channels in my cable package.