With activists like these on their side, the world’s long-oppressed men will surely gain some small recognition of their terrible plight in the year (and years) to come!
I mentally rubbed my hands together gleefully when I read the title of this post.
There is truly no failure so abject that MRAs won’t mangle it into a victory!
Bina
9 years ago
Not to necro the J-Law thread, but this, I mean oh wow:
[Women] go out of their way to TRY to hurt your feelings and another huge percentage of them will lead you on a little ONLY JUST so they can later, not just reject you, but shit all over you like you’re some kind of idiot for even thinking there was a chance with them and women get a HUGE amount of ENJOYMENT out of rejecting men and saying ‘no’ – they GET OFF on it, the bizarre behavior, the FLAKINESS, complete unaccountability, zero character, entitlement, the ‘fuck you’ attitude, the snide cattiness, the threats, trying to get fired from your job if you defy them, trying to act like they have God like power over you, the false accusations, the ‘superior’ attitude when their contribution to the world is less than nothing, the complete, absolute IGNORANCE OF EVERYTHING.
Not only is that a MASSIVE run-on sentence, it’s also a gigantic self-awareness fail.
No, dude, we don’t shit all over you for the fun of it (although I’m sure you are plenty of fun to defecate upon, if one is into that sort of thing). Trust me, if a woman treats you as badly as you claim we all do, you’ve done something to earn that. And if the “trying to get [you] fired from your job” bit is any indication, I’d say sexual harassment in the workplace is what you’ve done to earn it.
Also, how is our contribution to the world somehow “less than nothing”? You do realize that without a woman, your sorry ass wouldn’t have even landed in the world, right, Less Than Nothing?
WickedWitchOfWhatever
9 years ago
Also, how is our contribution to the world somehow “less than nothing”? You do realize that without a woman, your sorry ass wouldn’t have even landed in the world, right, Less Than Nothing?
Well, when it comes to landing him in the world, it probably is a debit in the great ledger of human achievement. Though I’m sure most of the hard work that went into making him a nasty and deluded individual was all his own.
Bina
9 years ago
Well, when it comes to landing him in the world, it probably is a debit in the great ledger of human achievement. Though I’m sure most of the hard work that went into making him a nasty and deluded individual was all his own.
Well said.
And yeah, I get the feeling he has a LOT of mommy issues. Starting with “no, junior, don’t do that”!
Lkeke35
9 years ago
All I can think, when I read most of that, is that he really is describing himself in a sort of existential scream/rant.
It’s really sad.
But not sad enough for me to get worked up over it or anything.
My favorite is always Mike Buchanan. He’s the reason why most MRAs never take their activism off the internet and actually try to accomplish something. They all know they’d be just as successful.
And let’s not forget Tom Martin, another genuine trier. He and Buchanan almost make me proud to be British.
Talking of Martin, has he paid off his court-related debts yet?
Hu's On First
9 years ago
Hey, there’s apparently a huge edit war going on right now on Wikipedia over the “Men Going Their Own Way” article, which was created several days ago. MGTOW supporters are clashing with editors who want the article to have a more neutral perspective, and with other editors who want to delete the article altogether.
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago
…and with other editors who want to delete the article altogether.
Current-day wikipedia in a nutshell, sadly. If the Messiah returned, the article about it would be AfD’d almost instantly.
A man who avoids cultural definitions and preconceptions of what a “man” is
Yet
In a seminal announcement dated December 1, 2004,[22] Ragnar [Jensen] introduced the phrase “Men Going Their Own Way” to the public… He stated that a main thrust of this idea was to instill masculinity in men…
Hey, there’s apparently a huge edit war going on right now on Wikipedia over the “Men Going Their Own Way” article, which was created several days ago. MGTOW supporters are clashing with editors who want the article to have a more neutral perspective, and with other editors who want to delete the article altogether.
Oh man, what a great flamewar. It appears that a bunch of MGTOW put up a super long, adulatory article promoting themselves and obsessively detailing all their little subgroups and all the other groups that they’re TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM, and then serious editors came in, deleted the self-promotion, added a criticism section, quoted the SPLC report, said that Milo Yiannopoulos doesn’t count as a source, etc.
And now the MGTOWs are all huffy and they’re saying that if the article can’t be the way they want, they don’t want one at all.
guest
9 years ago
OMG their original article is super-long….
nparker
9 years ago
The Wikipedia article has been locked for editing now, thank goodness. However, it is currently very short.
The MGTOWs are not making themselves look good here. What are people going to think about a group of people who want to write a massively imbalanced, biased article on a website that strives for neutrality? These people will never get anywhere good in the public eye. Every day seems to be a new failure for them! (continuing for many of them the series of them that has prompted the angry mantrum movement they have)
nparker
9 years ago
God, I just read the talk page. The MGTOW there both regurgitates the same talking points, and proves what everyone else is saying about the ridiculousness of the Mgtow ‘contribution.’
There is also massive lack of self awareness. Anyone wanting a laugh should really take a look. Goodness. It’s comedy gold! (Well, alright, high quality bronze.)
Wetherby
9 years ago
There is also massive lack of self awareness.
“Massive lack of self awareness” is the core MGTOW problem. I watched the whole of that Reggie Yates BBC3 documentary, and the MGTOW section was hilarious.
nparker
9 years ago
@ Wetherby
It certainly is.
The MGTOW section I laughed at. The MGTOWs can’t even begin to try and look like a legitimate movement when put squarely in the public eye. I’m sure they’ll still blame the BBC for their own shortcomings though. (which seems to be the random ridiculous trend recently anyway, but wait until the MGTOWs get hold!)
Bina
9 years ago
In a seminal announcement dated December 1, 2004,[22] Ragnar [Jensen] introduced the phrase “Men Going Their Own Way” to the public… He stated that a main thrust of this idea was to instill masculinity in men…
Am I the only one who snickered at all the thinly veiled double entendres in this bit? (And the inadvertent homoeroticism?)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
9 years ago
@Bina
If that was something a manospherian wrote, that’s downright Fruedian.
brooked
9 years ago
A belated Happy Holidays and an on-time Happy New Year to all.
That WP talk section is entertaining all around but these notes are the highlight for me. It’s all here, spermjacking, sexbots and endless whiny anger towards modern marriage that don’t include old-timey state-enforced subjugation of wives.
Reasons why men go their own way (to be incorporated in the article)
Divorce statistics: high prevalence of divorce, high prevalence of female-initiated divorce.
Unenforced prenuptual agreements
Emotional sequelae of divorce: male suicide.
Asset division after divorce
Alimony
Child support
(lack of) Child custody
See also: Parental alienation syndrome
Paternity fraud
Lack of reproductive rights: Spermjacking, etc.
Violence against men: Domestic violence. Female on male rape(?). Stalking, etc.
False rape accusations
False domestic violence accusations
Lack of benefits in marriage: A wife has no legal obligations in marriage. No obligation to have sex. No obligation not to cheat, not to cuckold. There is nothing a husband is legally entitled to in marriage. No fault divorce belongs in this section(?).
See also: Sexless marriage
Downsides of cohabitation: encroachment on male living space (“the prospect of having your personal space rearranged, and even being driven out of your personal space (which you’re paying for) and into the garage isn’t very savoury.”), common law marriage, palimony, etc.
See also: Man cave
See also: Palimony
Substitute goods and services: self-improvement, hobbies, sports, video games, porn, sex toys, sexbots, prostitutes, escorts, massage parlors, artificial wombs, etc.
Hippodameia
9 years ago
I feel sorry for the editors, but it is fun to see MGTOWs stamping their feet in impotent rage.
There is nothing a husband is legally entitled to in marriage.
Well this is quite possibly the most (accidentally) honest thing an MGTOW has ever said. “The law does not legally obligate another human being to do things for me; what a ripoff”
That MGTOW list is pretty revealing. Plus, the “downsides of cohabitation” part is just silly: sharing space with a partner and having to make compromises is like being driven into a garage? I mean, locking someone in a garage would be genuine abuse, but this reads more like “My wife/girlfriend wants me to help clean up! I need to escape to the garage! Oh help, I’m being repressed!”
I’ve personally never understood the idea of a “man cave” specifically. I understand that everyone needs their own private space, and that I totally agree with, especially because I’m an introvert and thus dealing with people all the time is physically as well as emotionally tiring.
But this whole idea of a “man cave” where no one else is allowed but you, and only you get to have this space because you’re the MAYUN of the house, and that means no wifey or kiddies allowed is just baffling to me.
I’d understand if my spouse/partner wanted a space of their own as a workshop or whatever, or they just want a space where they can go and be alone for a while, that’s fine.
I’d just like the same courtesy extended to me, should we have the space, or that we’d share the space if we don’t have an extra room for my stuff/projects as well.
idahogie
9 years ago
So back to the subject of the post (although the MGTOW-Wiki meltdown is entertaining and should make a nice future post) …
I was wondering why the list seemed to be missing a couple of other big events.
What about The Sarkeesian Effect?
And what about the Honey Badger Brigade and their lawsuit?
Leaford
9 years ago
That thing J-Law is doing with her face in that gif is surprisingly difficult to imitate.
I mentally rubbed my hands together gleefully when I read the title of this post.
There is truly no failure so abject that MRAs won’t mangle it into a victory!
Not to necro the J-Law thread, but this, I mean oh wow:
Not only is that a MASSIVE run-on sentence, it’s also a gigantic self-awareness fail.
No, dude, we don’t shit all over you for the fun of it (although I’m sure you are plenty of fun to defecate upon, if one is into that sort of thing). Trust me, if a woman treats you as badly as you claim we all do, you’ve done something to earn that. And if the “trying to get [you] fired from your job” bit is any indication, I’d say sexual harassment in the workplace is what you’ve done to earn it.
Also, how is our contribution to the world somehow “less than nothing”? You do realize that without a woman, your sorry ass wouldn’t have even landed in the world, right, Less Than Nothing?
Well, when it comes to landing him in the world, it probably is a debit in the great ledger of human achievement. Though I’m sure most of the hard work that went into making him a nasty and deluded individual was all his own.
Well said.
And yeah, I get the feeling he has a LOT of mommy issues. Starting with “no, junior, don’t do that”!
All I can think, when I read most of that, is that he really is describing himself in a sort of existential scream/rant.
It’s really sad.
But not sad enough for me to get worked up over it or anything.
My favorite is always Mike Buchanan. He’s the reason why most MRAs never take their activism off the internet and actually try to accomplish something. They all know they’d be just as successful.
But hey, Mikey. At least you tried!
http://i.imgur.com/TSBv11t.png
And let’s not forget Tom Martin, another genuine trier. He and Buchanan almost make me proud to be British.
Talking of Martin, has he paid off his court-related debts yet?
Hey, there’s apparently a huge edit war going on right now on Wikipedia over the “Men Going Their Own Way” article, which was created several days ago. MGTOW supporters are clashing with editors who want the article to have a more neutral perspective, and with other editors who want to delete the article altogether.
Current-day wikipedia in a nutshell, sadly. If the Messiah returned, the article about it would be AfD’d almost instantly.
Looking at the stuff that was deleted from the MGTOW wikipedia entry, it looks like the MGTOWs can’t keep their own nonsense straight. A MGTOW is
Yet
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Oh man, what a great flamewar. It appears that a bunch of MGTOW put up a super long, adulatory article promoting themselves and obsessively detailing all their little subgroups and all the other groups that they’re TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM, and then serious editors came in, deleted the self-promotion, added a criticism section, quoted the SPLC report, said that Milo Yiannopoulos doesn’t count as a source, etc.
And now the MGTOWs are all huffy and they’re saying that if the article can’t be the way they want, they don’t want one at all.
OMG their original article is super-long….
The Wikipedia article has been locked for editing now, thank goodness. However, it is currently very short.
The MGTOWs are not making themselves look good here. What are people going to think about a group of people who want to write a massively imbalanced, biased article on a website that strives for neutrality? These people will never get anywhere good in the public eye. Every day seems to be a new failure for them! (continuing for many of them the series of them that has prompted the angry mantrum movement they have)
God, I just read the talk page. The MGTOW there both regurgitates the same talking points, and proves what everyone else is saying about the ridiculousness of the Mgtow ‘contribution.’
There is also massive lack of self awareness. Anyone wanting a laugh should really take a look. Goodness. It’s comedy gold! (Well, alright, high quality bronze.)
“Massive lack of self awareness” is the core MGTOW problem. I watched the whole of that Reggie Yates BBC3 documentary, and the MGTOW section was hilarious.
@ Wetherby
It certainly is.
The MGTOW section I laughed at. The MGTOWs can’t even begin to try and look like a legitimate movement when put squarely in the public eye. I’m sure they’ll still blame the BBC for their own shortcomings though. (which seems to be the random ridiculous trend recently anyway, but wait until the MGTOWs get hold!)
Am I the only one who snickered at all the thinly veiled double entendres in this bit? (And the inadvertent homoeroticism?)
@Bina
If that was something a manospherian wrote, that’s downright Fruedian.
A belated Happy Holidays and an on-time Happy New Year to all.
That WP talk section is entertaining all around but these notes are the highlight for me. It’s all here, spermjacking, sexbots and endless whiny anger towards modern marriage that don’t include old-timey state-enforced subjugation of wives.
I feel sorry for the editors, but it is fun to see MGTOWs stamping their feet in impotent rage.
Well this is quite possibly the most (accidentally) honest thing an MGTOW has ever said. “The law does not legally obligate another human being to do things for me; what a ripoff”
That MGTOW list is pretty revealing. Plus, the “downsides of cohabitation” part is just silly: sharing space with a partner and having to make compromises is like being driven into a garage? I mean, locking someone in a garage would be genuine abuse, but this reads more like “My wife/girlfriend wants me to help clean up! I need to escape to the garage! Oh help, I’m being repressed!”
I’ve personally never understood the idea of a “man cave” specifically. I understand that everyone needs their own private space, and that I totally agree with, especially because I’m an introvert and thus dealing with people all the time is physically as well as emotionally tiring.
But this whole idea of a “man cave” where no one else is allowed but you, and only you get to have this space because you’re the MAYUN of the house, and that means no wifey or kiddies allowed is just baffling to me.
I’d understand if my spouse/partner wanted a space of their own as a workshop or whatever, or they just want a space where they can go and be alone for a while, that’s fine.
I’d just like the same courtesy extended to me, should we have the space, or that we’d share the space if we don’t have an extra room for my stuff/projects as well.
So back to the subject of the post (although the MGTOW-Wiki meltdown is entertaining and should make a nice future post) …
I was wondering why the list seemed to be missing a couple of other big events.
What about The Sarkeesian Effect?
And what about the Honey Badger Brigade and their lawsuit?
That thing J-Law is doing with her face in that gif is surprisingly difficult to imitate.