2015: Year of Triumphs for the Men’s Rights Movement

I mentally rubbed my hands together gleefully when I read the title of this post.

There is truly no failure so abject that MRAs won’t mangle it into a victory!

Also, how is our contribution to the world somehow “less than nothing”? You do realize that without a woman, your sorry ass wouldn’t have even landed in the world, right, Less Than Nothing?

Well, when it comes to landing him in the world, it probably is a debit in the great ledger of human achievement. Though I’m sure most of the hard work that went into making him a nasty and deluded individual was all his own.

All I can think, when I read most of that, is that he really is describing himself in a sort of existential scream/rant.
It’s really sad.

But not sad enough for me to get worked up over it or anything.

And let’s not forget Tom Martin, another genuine trier. He and Buchanan almost make me proud to be British.

Talking of Martin, has he paid off his court-related debts yet?

…and with other editors who want to delete the article altogether.

Current-day wikipedia in a nutshell, sadly. If the Messiah returned, the article about it would be AfD’d almost instantly.

Hey, there’s apparently a huge edit war going on right now on Wikipedia over the “Men Going Their Own Way” article, which was created several days ago. MGTOW supporters are clashing with editors who want the article to have a more neutral perspective, and with other editors who want to delete the article altogether.

Oh man, what a great flamewar. It appears that a bunch of MGTOW put up a super long, adulatory article promoting themselves and obsessively detailing all their little subgroups and all the other groups that they’re TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM, and then serious editors came in, deleted the self-promotion, added a criticism section, quoted the SPLC report, said that Milo Yiannopoulos doesn’t count as a source, etc.

And now the MGTOWs are all huffy and they’re saying that if the article can’t be the way they want, they don’t want one at all.

The Wikipedia article has been locked for editing now, thank goodness. However, it is currently very short.

The MGTOWs are not making themselves look good here. What are people going to think about a group of people who want to write a massively imbalanced, biased article on a website that strives for neutrality? These people will never get anywhere good in the public eye. Every day seems to be a new failure for them! (continuing for many of them the series of them that has prompted the angry mantrum movement they have)

There is also massive lack of self awareness.

“Massive lack of self awareness” is the core MGTOW problem. I watched the whole of that Reggie Yates BBC3 documentary, and the MGTOW section was hilarious.

In a seminal announcement dated December 1, 2004,[22] Ragnar [Jensen] introduced the phrase “Men Going Their Own Way” to the public… He stated that a main thrust of this idea was to instill masculinity in men…

Am I the only one who snickered at all the thinly veiled double entendres in this bit? (And the inadvertent homoeroticism?)

A belated Happy Holidays and an on-time Happy New Year to all.

That WP talk section is entertaining all around but these notes are the highlight for me. It’s all here, spermjacking, sexbots and endless whiny anger towards modern marriage that don’t include old-timey state-enforced subjugation of wives.

Reasons why men go their own way (to be incorporated in the article)

Divorce statistics: high prevalence of divorce, high prevalence of female-initiated divorce.
Unenforced prenuptual agreements
Emotional sequelae of divorce: male suicide.
Asset division after divorce
Alimony
Child support
(lack of) Child custody

See also: Parental alienation syndrome

Paternity fraud
Lack of reproductive rights: Spermjacking, etc.
Violence against men: Domestic violence. Female on male rape(?). Stalking, etc.
False rape accusations
False domestic violence accusations
Lack of benefits in marriage: A wife has no legal obligations in marriage. No obligation to have sex. No obligation not to cheat, not to cuckold. There is nothing a husband is legally entitled to in marriage. No fault divorce belongs in this section(?).

See also: Sexless marriage

Downsides of cohabitation: encroachment on male living space (“the prospect of having your personal space rearranged, and even being driven out of your personal space (which you’re paying for) and into the garage isn’t very savoury.”), common law marriage, palimony, etc.

See also: Man cave
See also: Palimony

Substitute goods and services: self-improvement, hobbies, sports, video games, porn, sex toys, sexbots, prostitutes, escorts, massage parlors, artificial wombs, etc.

There is nothing a husband is legally entitled to in marriage.

Well this is quite possibly the most (accidentally) honest thing an MGTOW has ever said. “The law does not legally obligate another human being to do things for me; what a ripoff”

I’ve personally never understood the idea of a “man cave” specifically. I understand that everyone needs their own private space, and that I totally agree with, especially because I’m an introvert and thus dealing with people all the time is physically as well as emotionally tiring.

But this whole idea of a “man cave” where no one else is allowed but you, and only you get to have this space because you’re the MAYUN of the house, and that means no wifey or kiddies allowed is just baffling to me.

I’d understand if my spouse/partner wanted a space of their own as a workshop or whatever, or they just want a space where they can go and be alone for a while, that’s fine.

I’d just like the same courtesy extended to me, should we have the space, or that we’d share the space if we don’t have an extra room for my stuff/projects as well.

That thing J-Law is doing with her face in that gif is surprisingly difficult to imitate.