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Roosh V Is Angry That the BBC Has Portrayed Him as the Monster He Is

BBC presenter Reggie Yates ponders Roosh V's dubious wisdom
BBC presenter Reggie Yates ponders Roosh V’s dubious wisdom

As many of you no doubt know, the BBC’s Reggie Yates recently did an hour-long documentary about the “manosphere,” paying particular attention to the rapey, repellent pickup guru Roosh Valizadeh. I’ve pasted the video below.

I have, well, lots of thoughts about it. It’s really pretty compelling, particularly the segments involving Roosh, which essentially offer him a nice sturdy — albeit figurative — rope with which to hang himself. Which he of course does. More on that, and Roosh’s response, below.

The non-Roosh segments are a mixed bag. Yates’ not terribly enlightening discussions with proudly reactionary GamerGate panderer and ostensible journalist Milo Yiannopoulos are pretty skippable.

More compelling is Yates’ interview with an infamous online bully who actually served a brief stint in jail for the threats he’d Tweeted to two prominent women, one of them a Member of Parliament. Their crime, in his eyes? They wanted to put Jane Austen’s face on the ten pound note. There’s something a bit chilling in the blase way the troll, a shaven-headed sad sack by the name of John Nimmo, recounts his vicious harassment campaign.

But most chilling of all were the segments with Roosh, which take up a hefty chunk of the program. Yates attended one of the little speeches Roosh gave on his “word tour” last summer, interviewing him afterwards; several months later he traveled to Poland for a followup.

Yates memorably introduces Roosh with a snippet from one of his videos in which he complains about how much effort it can take “to access [women’s] warm, moist cavity holes.”

Such a romantic!

We then get to see some snippets of Roosh’s mysterious speech, ostensibly on “The State of Man” in the world today. Nothing he says will be particularly surprising to anyone who’s familiar with his odious writings.

Still, seeing him present his ridiculous “philosophy” live highlights not just how noxious his ideas but also how incredibly, well, dumb they are. Roosh clearly wants to upgrade his status from that of a burned-out, rape-apologizing pickup artist to that of a great thinker. The only problem is that thinking isn’t something he does particularly well.

But it’s Yates’ interview with Roosh in Poland that really stands out.

In his hotel room before the interview, Yates reads out some of the more repellent and rapey things that Roosh has written.

“This isn’t about confidence,” he says, holding aloft one of Roosh’s slender volumes of dubious pickup wisdom. “30 Bangs isn’t about making young men feel as though they have value. This is about making young women feel as though they have none.”

Later, in Roosh’s apartment, Roosh waxes indignant about the public reaction to his infamous proposal to fight rape by making it legal. Roosh insists it was satire, but, as Yates tells him, it’s “quite hard to find the satirical angle to it.” (A point I and many others made at the time.)

And then, just moments after telling Yates that “I advocate for consensual sex,” he presents his own version of “no means no” in which no actually means pause for a moment before returning to doing whatever she said no to.

Yates asks him about a story in one of his books in which Roosh writes about penetrating a woman who is half asleep.

“Haven’t you done that?” he asks Yates. “When a girl is half asleep, when you’ve already had sex with her?”

Yates tells him that no, of course, he hasn’t. Roosh keeps digging his hole deeper, seeming genuinely puzzled that Yates isn’t nodding in agreement.

“So if you want to examine every instance, every thrust, maybe you can find something,” Roosh tells him. “But this can happen to every man.”

By “something,” Roosh seems to mean “an instance in which you put your penis in a woman without permission.”

In Roosh’s mind, evidently, rape (that’s really not rape), is something that happens to the rapist, not the woman he rapes; it’s the rapist who’s sort of the real victim.

On his blog, Roosh has denounced the documentary as a “hit piece,” suggesting that Yates — whom he describes as a “BBC host of questionable sexuality” — simply wasn’t man enough to really understand him or his comrades in the manosphere. (Yates isn’t actually gay, not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

By “hir[ing] a non-masculine man to report on masculinity,” Roosh argues, the BBC is doing the equivalent of

hir[ing] a carpenter to review an Italian opera. Besides a handful of exaggerated facial expressions made for the camera, the carpenter will not be able to analyze the opera on a level above that of even a grade-school trumpet player.

That’s a new one, I guess.

Roosh then goes on to declare that this “hit piece on the manosphere” is actually a giant victory for him, because

it gets my ideas across to those who have yet to see it. Even if 0.1% of people who watched the BBC documentary become readers of mine, it’s still a huge win, since doing it only cost me a couple hours of time. …

The BBC program tried to paint me as a criminal, but instead I gained more fans and sold more books. As long as my name exits the mouth of my enemies, I win, and I will continue to win.

Didn’t Charlie Sheen once say something similar?

I hate to have to tell you this, Roosh, but no, you’re really not winning at all. Repulsing the general public with your repugnant ideas is not a victory. Every thought of yours that you put on the internet makes ever clearer what a huge loser you are.

Here’s the documentary. For anyone who doesn’t have time to watch the whole thing, I’ve attached a second video below that features nothing but the segments featuring Roosh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8RxL9kuBs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUh-Qisg2Q

 

 

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Cleverforagirl
Cleverforagirl
9 years ago

OTD just wants to make sure that we don’t confuse the people who want to beat us then rape us with the people who want to rape us *then* beat us.

It’s all about accuracy yo

Moocow
Moocow
9 years ago

I am sticking up for the MRM

I see what you mean. I wasn’t trying to defend the MRM in general, I just wanted to correct some inaccurate info from GQFem who called Roosh V an MRA.

Your honor, there’s another contradiction in the witness’s testimony.

Mockery slash shoehorning of my love for Ace Attorney aside, why do you stick up for the MRM? Do you approve of their tactics of shaming men who disagree with them? Do you approve of their misogynistic tirades against women? Do you consider their desire to dox and harrass anyone who disagrees with them as ‘a good thing’? and if so, why?

@WWTH

I’m going to start watching GoT soon so I’ll check out your blog when I do!

@Rabid Rabbit

You make me blush XD.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

I’ll just copy-paste something I said in another thread months ago on the subject:

If movement MRAs ever did any true activism, they’d have a difference worth noticing… But that’s never happened.

If PUAs ever had fully consensual sex with an enthusiastic, sober, legally of-age partner, they’d have a difference worth noticing… But that’s never happened.

If MGTOWs ever went their own way, they’d have a difference worth noticing… But that’s never happened.

If incels ever accepted friendship as a good thing instead of viewing it as a “Failure,” they’d have a difference worth noticing… But that’s never happened.

If #GamerGaters ever lobbied against bribery by AAA companies such as IGN and EA, they’d have a difference worth noticing… But that’s never happened.

And frankly, even if there were any differences, I’m not going to bother typing out “Movement MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWs, incels, #GamerGaters and other manospherians” every fucking time, so “MRAs” it is.

Also, bro, you’re talking about people who call even the most laid-back and liberal of feminists “Radfems.” Even though there’s actually a visible difference between the various types of feminism. So. Hooray for hypocrisy.

Moggie
Moggie
9 years ago

“How dare you refer to this piece of shit as a pile of poo, which is totally different! Clearly you have little understanding of the turdosphere!”

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

Thank you, orange tango drinker.

(I don’t know what it is about this particular sealion that brings out the best in me, but he really seems to.)

Also, M, do I really need to repeat the “M is right, as always” line, or is it just implicit by now?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

*Even though there are actually visible differences. Plural. That’s what I get for adding a whole paragraph with one second to spare. =P

@EJ

Implicit. ;3 Hah, but really, thanks. ^^;

Tessa
Tessa
9 years ago

orange tango drinker

1-yes they have to do both
2-just publicly endorse is enough

But isn’t more inaccurate to call someone who doesn’t do any actual activism an “activist”? That’s the A in MRA.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
9 years ago

The A can also stand for “advocate”

Moocow
Moocow
9 years ago

@orange tango drinker

Well, by that logic, the “m” could stand for misogynists

Seriously, that’s your defense? “sure, they may not do any actual activism, but that’s ok because there are plenty of other words in the english language that starts with the letter A!”

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mul07Pmt1r771q7.gif

Phoenix Wright had better bluffs.

Tessa
Tessa
9 years ago

orange tango drinker

The A can also stand for “advocate”

Now you’re just being silly.
The A can also stand for Arsonist… Are you accusing the MRAs of setting fires??

Can we now just make up what the letters in MRA stand for?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
9 years ago

On an unrelated note : happy christmas to everyone.

And I hope the various balls of hatred among the MRAs will find something that will make them happy and productive instead of just hateful, petty, and jealous.

Of course, to plagiarize XKCD, I expect them to go from ephiphany to epiphany, thinking each time they had found what holded them back, without seeing that the cycle of mediocrity is due to themselves.

But a miracle can happen. As Pierre Desproges used to say : “the worst is not even a certainty”.

Lea
Lea
9 years ago

Doosh is a Misogynist Rape Advocate, just like the rest of MRA scum. Thats all Manureosphereans are.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

Misogynistic Rape Apologists.

EDIT: NINJA’D.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
9 years ago

many MRAs use the A to mean advocate instead of activist. I didnt make it up myself just now.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

Didn’t you promise to go away, orange tango drinker?

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
9 years ago

I said I wouldn’t defend the MRM here any more but if anybody had any more questions for me like Tessa’s I would stick around to answer them.

Moocow
Moocow
9 years ago

@orange tango drinker

So, what about my questions? Can you provide an answer? I’m genuinely curious as to why someone would seek to defend such a noxious movement that hurts people of all genders.

@Ohlmann

That is easily the greatest XKCD! That and “wow you suck at math / wow girls suck at math” which I routinely use to explain the concept of male privilege to my cis het white dude friends.

Sofia van der Linde
9 years ago

Roosh keeps on slipping. That disparaging remark about Carpenters is totally unmanly. A Real Man ™ does not disrespect real physical labour.

Alpine, RN
Alpine, RN
9 years ago

@Sofia – he’s just jealous cause Jesus got all the hot chicks 😉

GardenGallivant
GardenGallivant
9 years ago

@ EJ
Its the internet so of course there are world builders to assist authors and for scientists at play. I’ve focused on the botany but here is a page of links on world building that may help
http://www.orionsarm.com/page/310

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
9 years ago

So, what about my questions? Can you provide an answer?

yes ok

Mockery slash shoehorning of my love for Ace Attorney aside, why do you stick up for the MRM? Do you approve of their tactics of shaming men who disagree with them? Do you approve of their misogynistic tirades against women? Do you consider their desire to dox and harrass anyone who disagrees with them as ‘a good thing’? and if so, why?

>why do you stick up for the MRM?
I think a lot of MRAs are decent people

>Do you approve of their tactics of shaming men who disagree with them?
Depends what you mean by shaming men who disagree with them. If you mean making fun of them and insulting them then I approve of that yes.

>Do you approve of their misogynistic tirades against women?
No, the MRAs that I like do not do that.

>Do you consider their desire to dox and harrass anyone who disagrees with them as ‘a good thing’? and if so, why?

I don’t support doxing and harassment. The MRAs I like do not do that. I know AVFM did that, I am not a supporter of them, I hate AVFM.

kiki
kiki
9 years ago

Roosh really loves his redundancy, doesn’t he? first “internet ebooks” now “cavity holes.”

Roosh’s Pick-Up Seduction Artist Proponent Unit Squad Force Patrol needs YOU!

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

I’m glad you feel that the MRAs that you like don’t indulge in misogynistic tirades, and don’t support harassment. This is odd because you’re a fan of the Honey Badger Brigade, which is Karen Straughan’s operation.

Straughan is, however, entirely in favour of misogynistic tirades.

And also in favour of domestic abuse, although that’s a bit of a digression.

Tell me, which other prominent MRAs do you believe are good people?

Sofia van der Linde
9 years ago

I smell a No True Scotsman Fallacy coming on.
If you do not do these things, then go you, but why be so terribly defensive, Orange Tango Drinker? You are not Roosh, right?

There is a considreable overlap between actvists and advocates, Little Sealion.

Sascha Vykos
Sascha Vykos
9 years ago

“The A can also stand for Arsonist… ”

I lol’d

Tango:

I think a lot of MRAs are decent people

That may be true.

Still, I wondered how many death threats Yates received as soon as I saw this. Not because MRMs are the only people who make death threats, but because it is boilerplate. I expected it and I worried about how bad it was for him and probably his family and fiance.

That should bother you if you care even a little bit about people in general. If discussing a video with a dude talking about keeping women in line and “joking” about legalizing rape, it should bother you a lot.

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