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Oy Gevalt! Trump Adds to Long List of Terrible Things He’s Said About Women

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Last night Donald Trump, America’s favorite orange-faced semi-Fascist, risked alienating his many white supremacist fanboys by turning to Yiddish in an attempt to insult Hillary Clinton.

Referring to Clinton’s previous run for the presidency, Trump told a crowd in Michigan that

she was favored to win — and she got schlonged, she lost, I mean she lost. 

In the same, er, speech, Trump also brought up Hilary’s now-famous bathroom break during the last Democratic debate — she was late returning to the podium, apparently because the women’s bathroom was so far away — by affecting great disgust at the very notion of women having a tinkle in the toilet.

I know where she went, it’s disgusting, I don’t want to talk about it. No, it’s too disgusting. Don’t say it, it’s disgusting, let’s not talk, we want to be very, very straight up.

This is not the first time that Trump has expressed his revulsion at a woman’s biological functions. Back in August, you may recall, Trump attacked Fox News host Megyn Kelly after she asked him about some of the misogynistic things he’s said in the past about women.

“You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes,” Trump declared in a CNN interview afterwards. “Blood coming out of her wherever.”

By “her wherever,” Trump was apparently referring to Kelly’s you-know-what.

As last night’s “schlong” comment reminded us, Trump also likes to talk about penises, though he somehow always manages to do so in a way that is much more demeaning to women than it is to men,

A case in point is the lovely remark he made to attorney Gloria Allred, who had criticized him for staying mum after Miss Universe Canada officials tossed (and later reinstated) a trans woman from the contest. (At the time, Trump owned a huge stake in the Miss Universe contest.) Allred observed that no one had demanded to know what was in his pants.

Trump told her anyway:

I think Gloria would be very, very impressed with [my penis]. I really do. I think she’d have a whole brand new image of Donald Trump… There’ll be no apology whatsoever. 

Let’s take a brief stroll down memory lane, shall we, and look at some other appalling things The Donald has said about women.

Let’s start this list by returning to Hillary Clinton, because of course Trump’s “schlong” comment isn’t the only appalling thing he’s ever said about her. Here’s one infamous Tweet he posted and later deleted, either because he thought better of it or because his lawyers did.

trumponhillary

As it turns out, Trump has many charming thoughts about powerful women. Here he is offering his highly sophisticated take on Arianna Huffington:

Trump routinely responds to criticism from women journalists with schoolyard insults — sometimes delivered right to their door. New York Times columnist Gail Collins says he once responded to a less than flattering column she made about him by sending her

a copy of the column with my picture circled and “The Face of a Dog!” written over it.

He followed this up, years later, with this lovely Tweet:

But he doesn’t only have it in for female journalists and politicians; he reacts to criticism from pretty much any famous woman by attacking their looks, among other things.

And then of course there is Rosie O’Donnell, one of Trump’s favorite targets over the years.

Trump has been lobbing crude insults like this at O’Donnell for years. In an Entertainment Tonight interview from nearly a decade ago, he declared that

Rosie O’Donnell is disgusting, both inside and out. If you take a look at her, she’s a slob. How does she even get on television? If I were running The View, I’d fire Rosie. I’d look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers and say, ‘Rosie, you’re fired.'”

“We’re all a little chubby but Rosie’s just worse than most of us. But it’s not the chubbiness — Rosie is a very unattractive person, both inside and out. …

Rosie’s a person who’s very lucky to have her girlfriend. And she better be careful or I’ll send one of my friends over to pick up her girlfriend, why would she stay with Rosie if she had another choice?

Trump’s a little obsessed with that “ugly both inside and out” line, huh? Presumably he uses it so that he can’t be accused of attacking only a woman’s looks.

Of course, not everything Trump has said about women has been insulting. Sometimes it’s just creepy as hell.

During one appearance on The View, he had this highly icky thing to say about his daughter Ivanka.

She does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.

Did I mention that she’s HIS DAUGHTER?

And then there were these perhaps inadvertantly revealing remarks he made about Paris Hilton on the Howard Stern Show back in 2003.

I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12. Her parents are friends of mine, and, you know, the first time I saw her, she walked into the room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’ … Well, at 12, I wasn’t interested. I’ve never been into that. They’re sort of always stuck around that 25 category.

Dude, if the first thought you have every time a female human being walks into the room is “is she old enough to have sex with,” you need help.

Let’s make sure this guy doesn’t become our president, huh?

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Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
5 years ago

So on top of everything else, Donald Trump is also a pedophile .

Not terribly surprised

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@Dan:

No, no, he’s definitely not a pedophile. He’s not into 12-year-olds.

The fact he feels he needs to specify that out is… telling, though. Especially since his way of saying it suggests he doesn’t see any problem if that’s your thing, it’s just not his.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Pandapool
I love “Feel the Bern.”

It’s unfortunate that, due to this culture’s widespread objectification of the female body, I can’t imagine a female politician being able to adopt this type of breezy, casual, here’s-mud-in-your-eye-haters slogan.

“Feel the Hill”? I don’t think so. “Feel the Carly”? Nope, nope, nope.

Of course, if a person were to try to feel the Bern, Secret Service would be all over them.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

@Kat

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/direwolf.gif

I know you’re joking but now all I can imagine is someone trying to feel up Bernie Sanders and everyone and I rather not.

Fun Fact: “Feel the Bern” was actually an internet meme made by college students and Bernie Sanders decided to adopt it. At least that’s what I heard. I’m 100% sure Bernie Sanders and his campaign wouldn’t have come up with that because he seems to be trying to take shit seriously.

I hate it when people try to talk like younger people, try to appeal to them. I haven’t seen Bernie Sanders do that, which is just another reason I like him. It’s gross and unprofessional. Just fucking do you job and don’t say you “rotflmao at ‘I can haz cheezburger'” thanks.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Things I’d be honestly giddy to never hear again: Sanders doesn’t stand a chance // isn’t electable. Because you know what makes someone stand a chance and be electable? People voting for them. This is a pet peeve, so nobody here take the following rant personally!

But fuck, that’s how the system works here! Or is supposed to anyways. We, the damned people, vote for the person we find best suited for the job. Not the “safe bet”, not the “least bad option”, the person we want to do the job. Not to go all FOUNDING FATHERS!!! But seriously, this country wouldn’t exist if they’d gone for the “safe bet”. And, even on the off chance the republicans somehow pull a non-clown out of the circus, is anyone helping Sander’s chances in the Primaries by saying “it’s too bad he isn’t electable”? Fuck, I’m 30, I get it, my generation has had to “play the numbers” to avoid a horrible republican, but they’ve got absolutely nothing, this is more pathetic than eleventh hour Romney!

So no, Clinton isn’t the safe bet, she’s people saying they won’t risk Sanders winning the primary… because what? What if he does? What’s Trump gonna do, call him old? By any poll this is an election between Clinton and Sanders, which makes voting for him in the primaries the safe bet.

Unless you actually do prefer Clinton, in which case please ignore me, you do your thing, that’s how this works 🙂 But Sanders fans? Can we please stop sabotaging his chances by saying shit like how it sucks he isn’t electable? Because we’re how he becomes electable!

That is all, please return to your regularly scheduled programming, this republican show is more a circus than the studio I train at, and we do circus stuff, mostly aerials! And now, I’m being summoned for Cards Against Humanity, so I’m off for now!

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

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Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

We, the damned people, vote for the person we find best suited for the job. Not the “safe bet”, not the “least bad option”, the person we want to do the job. Not to go all FOUNDING FATHERS!!! But seriously, this country wouldn’t exist if they’d gone for the “safe bet”.

I’ve practiced “defensive voting,” i.e., voting for the Democratic candidate instead of a third-party candidate ’cause I didn’t want the Republican candidate to win.

That said, you make an excellent point!

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Pandapool
Sorry about that.

And that jpeg of the dog — “What did you say?!” — is really cute.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

We hear a lot about Trump because he’s a headline-grabber, but the serious election-watchers I’ve read say that it’s too early yet to take Trump’s poll numbers seriously. At this point they reflect name recognition more than anything else.

I don’t think either Trump or Cruz will get the nomination; the Republican Party establishment hate both of them. And for once, they’re right.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

@Kat

It’s alright. I was mainly just joking myself. Although that would be a very interesting porn premise.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Argenti,
Hear, hear!

To quote my late, great senator

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-represent-the-democratic-wing-of-the-democratic-party-paul-wellstone-31-13-10.jpg

And BTW, if a tiny but feisty Jewish leftist from out of state can win the senate in stodgy, moderate Minnesota over two decades ago, Bernie Sanders can win now.

The left needs to stop quivering in terror at the success of Reagan in the 80s. It’s not the 80s anymore. It’s not even the 90s anymore! Every time Obama gets fiery and progressive his poll numbers go up. The US is a hell of a lot more receptive to left wing populism than people think it is IMO.

If Clinton wins the nom, I’ll vote for her. She’ll be competent and she’s way better than any Republican. The Supreme Court and Ruth Ginsburg’s advancing age is reason enough to make it vital that a Dem, any Dem takes the presidency. But I’m ready to leave the late 20th century triangulation tactic advanced by the Clintons behind.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

And this is what Ted Cruz’s campaign is up to
http://gawker.com/win-a-cruz-engraved-shotgun-1749377488

Just in case anyone was contemplating taking him seriously.

I almost contemplated entering just because a Ted Cruz engraved gun would be a hilarious conversation piece. But then the Cruz campaign and by extension the whole right wing machine would have my info. No thanks. I get enough spam from my own side.

Bananananana dakry
Bananananana dakry
5 years ago

*shakes head in disgust*

The only difference between the products of Trump’s mouth and asshole, respectively, is that the product of one is consistent in its factual content and might have some minor redeeming value.

The other stuff comes out of his mouth.

(My vote is the only thing I know I have complete control over in this shitfest. If Bernie gets that far, imma voting for him. If not, I’ll hold my nose and go for Hillary, because a three day dead skunk on a road in August heat is a preferable candidate to Trump IMO.)

PinkiSyddyKitty
PinkiSyddyKitty
5 years ago

The Trumpster is awful on so many levels.

And about that bit with Hillary’s bathroom break; Does this guy actually assume that women are weird space aliens that don’t go to the bathroom?

Pandapool — The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
December 22, 2015 at 8:16 pm

@Kat

I know you’re joking but now all I can imagine is someone trying to feel up Bernie Sanders and everyone and I rather not.

Fun Fact: “Feel the Bern” was actually an internet meme made by college students and Bernie Sanders decided to adopt it. At least that’s what I heard. I’m 100% sure Bernie Sanders and his campaign wouldn’t have come up with that because he seems to be trying to take shit seriously.

I hate it when people try to talk like younger people, try to appeal to them. I haven’t seen Bernie Sanders do that, which is just another reason I like him. It’s gross and unprofessional. Just fucking do you job and don’t say you “rotflmao at ‘I can haz cheezburger’” thanks.

It’s a pun of “Feel The Burn”.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

@PinkiSyddyKitty

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cbww.gif

Oh, thanks, I totally didn’t know that.

Obviously, some college students still had to change “burn” to “Bern”, and it trended around the internet for a while before Bernie Sanders’ campaign picked it up, but, like, whatever.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/yok.gif

Probably should have looked up the etymology and wrote a mini essay on the history of the phrase “feel the burn” and how it progressed into “feel the Bern” but yeah. My mistake. Won’t happen again.

I am being overly sarcastic but I feel as though my intellegence was attacked so excuse me as I exit stage right with a dramatic flourish of my cape.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Pandapool
Nah, I think that sometimes it’s just hard to interpret what people say on this great Interwebz of ours.

Both PinkiSyddyKitty and you are known (at least around my house) for your sharp, insightful comments.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

WWTH – ah, Paul Wellstone. He was a thoroughly decent and honorable senator. We need more like him.

I’m wondering if Trump plans to run as an independent if he doesn’t get the nomination. That would be a gift for the Democrats. He hasn’t ruled out the possibility. He’s said that his front-runner status gives him “leverage” (meaning, he’ll probably try to extort some money from the RNC in exchange for not going the independent route).

The GOP establishment is afraid of him, and with good reason – they can’t control him. He’s the natural end result of Citizens United. They’d rather have Cruz, who is actually more terrifying because he’s utterly cold-blooded and he’s an actual politician, not a preening vulgarian in a hairpiece. Trump is a loose cannon. He has the bad taste to make the dog whistles audible to everyone. The Republican Party doesn’t want their candidates rippng aside the curtain on their ugly hatred and bigotry. As M Scott Peck observed in “People of the Lie”, they know their policies and beliefs aren’t in people’s best interests, which is why they have to constantly resort to deceit, distraction, and trickery. It’s also why they prefer empty suits who can put a pleasant, folksy face on inhumane policies (i.e., Ronald Reagan). They’re much more likely to attract the swing voters.

At least Trump’s got the distraction part down. Not many of his supporters seem to mind that he has zero policy experience. They just want him to keep insulting people.

Bananananana dakry
Bananananana dakry
5 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

They have met the enemy, and they have belatedly found out it is themselves.

Excuse me, I’ll be over here enjoying peppermint JoJos and schadenfreude.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

The GOP establishment is afraid of him, and with good reason – they can’t control him. He’s the natural end result of Citizens United. They’d rather have Cruz…

No, they wouldn’t. Cruz is despised by all.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/12/03/why-everyone-who-knows-ted-cruz-hates-him/

Orion
Orion
5 years ago

The scary thing about Cruz as far as I’m concerned is that he appears to be a man of principle, in many ways. As far as I can tell, he really is all aboard the theocracy express. At least Trump is a cynical manipulator with no loyalty to whatever repellent policies he’s advocating this week. It’s horrifying that building a wall and deporting Muslims is what plays in Peoria, but I highly doubt President Trump would even try to do either of those things.

He’d still be a terrible president, mind you. Can you imagine him prosecuting a way, negotiating an international treaty, or pushing a budget deal through Congress? Dear god, that would be terrible. But he was a pro-choice liberal and friends with the Clintons just a few years ago, he’s doing business with Dubai today, and I can’t take his culture war rhetoric seriously.

Snow Leopard
Snow Leopard
5 years ago

I’d imagine Trumpers getting his undies in a knot over any little thing women do, even if men do it, too. God forbid women be human. He’s like a kid who thinks they’re full of cooties, though to be fair, even kids have more class than this stale wind bag.

Fuck him.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

My money is on Marco Rubio winning the Republican nomination and Trump making a lot of noise but ultimately doing nothing.

Then again, I have a bet riding that George W. Bush will enter the history books as the last Republican president: they’ll continue to win local and senatorial elections but barring some drastic and permanent shift in political alignments or demographics, I believe that Republicans are only going to be seeing the inside of the Oval Office on television from now on. From now on, until another party arises as a credible challenger, the real election is the Democratic primary. I might be wrong.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Re Trump:
My father told me an interesting little conspiracy theory over the weekend. Neither of us believe it but it’s a fun idea to mull over, so I’m passing it to the hive mind.

– It is a matter of public record that Trump was a friend of the Clintons only a few years ago.

– It is also a matter of public record that Bill Clinton and Trump are still regular golfing companions.

– It is a commonly observed truth that Bill Clinton is very charismatic and extremely good at telling people what they need to hear in order to make them do what he wants them to do, even if what he tells them is not entirely the gospel, unvarnished truth.

– Likewise, it is a rule of thumb that Bill Clinton has some of the best political instincts in America.

– It is a very commonly observed truth that Trump’s ego is very large and very fragile, making him easy to be led around by it.

Hypothesis: Did Bill Clinton prod Trump into making the run, knowing that he would wreck the Republicans’ chances?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

Hypothesis: Did Bill Clinton prod Trump into making the run, knowing that he would wreck the Republicans’ chances?

Sounds plausible to me.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

“Things I’d be honestly giddy to never hear again: Sanders doesn’t stand a chance // isn’t electable. Because you know what makes someone stand a chance and be electable? People voting for them. This is a pet peeve, so nobody here take the following rant personally!”

I agree with that. As a foreigner, Sanders look electable, just ignored by medias because they don’t find him attractives. But the very fact there is a primary mean Sanders have a good chance.

guest
guest
5 years ago

‘Because you know what makes someone stand a chance and be electable? People voting for them.’

The first US election I was old enough to pay attention to was (as it turns out) the 1980 election (I hadn’t realised until just now that it was that particularly pivotal election) in which John Anderson was an independent candidate. I remember being baffled at continually reading polls in which Anderson would have received some high percent of the vote if people voted for who they thought would be the best president, but single digits if people voted for who they thought they had to vote for. How could that even make sense–wasn’t the whole point to vote for the person we thought would be the best president?

Orion
Orion
5 years ago

EJ,

You left out the fact that Bill Clinton gave Trump a phone call a couple days before Trump announced his campaign. Bill denies all claims that they discussed the election, while Trump’s people say Bill told Trump “he should take a more prominent role in the Republican party.”

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Orion:
Ha! I didn’t know that bit. That’s fantastic. I wonder which one of them is lying?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Bernie Sanders defends a woman’s right to pee:

Sanders noted that he, like Clinton, also went the bathroom during the debate, but somehow Trump wasn’t disgusted by that.

“I’ve got to be honest with you. I’ve got to lay it out on the table: I also went to the bathroom,” Sanders said. “I know. I have to admit it.”

“I guess other men are allowed to go to the bathroom, but women, what can we say?”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-bathroom_567a04e6e4b0b958f658b36d

dhag85
dhag85
5 years ago

Primary debates are what they are, but it’s really been stunning to see the contrast between the GOP debates and the Democratic ones. I didn’t pay much attention to the debates 8 years ago, but now that I can see he two parties side by side the difference is more striking than I could ever imagine.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

@Lady Mondegreen

No, they wouldn’t. Cruz is despised by all.

I’m talking about the GOP establishment, though, not other politicians. They’re the ones whose brand is at stake. There’s a big difference between being despised by his colleagues (and most of the human race) and being a Republican Party insider. Others in Congress might revile Cruz, but the RNC wants a candidate who respects and abides by their own (unwritten) rules of campaigning and fundraising. At the very least, Cruz has some allegiance to conservatism, the Republican Party, and the Senate. Trump has no such loyalty to the party or its image. Only his ego matters. Given a choice between Trump and Cruz, the RNC would hold their noses and back Cruz as their standard-bearer.

Which is not to say Cruz is their top choice, but he may well be the last man standing. Rubio, so far, has been running a lazy campaign, avoiding ground operations in the early states (Iowa and New Hampshire) and focusing more on national media and digital outreach. Likely he’s trying to avoid the trap of having to campaign hard right to win the first few primaries and then veer back to center, but that strategy may come back to haunt him if he drops too far out of sight.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

But Sanders fans? Can we please stop sabotaging his chances by saying shit like how it sucks he isn’t electable? Because we’re how he becomes electable!

If your point is that Sanders is electable if people will just vote for him, that’s … something of a tautology, and not what the word “electable” means. If you define “electable” in that fashion, then Trump is equally electable, and so am I, even though I am completely unknown and aren’t running (but I could certainly win, by that standard, as a write-in candidate, if people would just vote for me!).

Does Sanders have broad enough appeal to woo nonpartisan voters to his side? Probably not. That’s what makes him not electable. He is very popular in the lefty base, which is great! But the lefty base can’t elect a President on their own with no help from any other political demographic.

Now, members of the lefty base know this, and they often vote begrudgingly for the Democratic candidate even though they don’t like that candidate. Candidates like Bill Clinton took advantage of that and delivered almost nothing that the lefty base really wanted in exchange. Hillary Clinton works similarly in that regard, and Sanders is super-valuable in reminder her that doing this runs a real risk of her losing that very important base vote. But he won’t win, and can’t win, because non-partisans won’t vote for him.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

“Does Sanders have broad enough appeal to woo nonpartisan voters to his side? Probably not. That’s what makes him not electable”

What I have seen so far is that he do have enough broad appeal to win against about any republican candidate, but medias hate him so they hide that.

Of course, as a non-american, it’s hard to be sure muy informations are unbiased either.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Then again, I have a bet riding that George W. Bush will enter the history books as the last Republican president: they’ll continue to win local and senatorial elections but barring some drastic and permanent shift in political alignments or demographics, I believe that Republicans are only going to be seeing the inside of the Oval Office on television from now on. From now on, until another party arises as a credible challenger, the real election is the Democratic primary. I might be wrong.

I’ve thought this for a while myself. Honestly, as much noise as the hardcore Republican base makes – which is a LOT, bloody hell – unless they’re willing to drop their base like the flaming toxic waste barrel it is and head back towards the centre, their only options now are to ramp up the gerrymandering and massively unconstitutional poll taxes “Voter IDs” even further or be relegated to the same pages of history as the Confederates and Nazis.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@M:
Many of the more reasonable Republicans (inasmuch as there is such a thing nowadays) have said the same thing, and have come up despairingly against the fact that they can’t drop their base because they are their base more and more every year, as one by one everyone still connected to reality leaves and all that remains is the shrivelled twin husks of the neoconfederates and the fundamentalists.

Unless something bizarre happens – the GOP getting taken over by Hispanics, say, and becoming a Spanish-speaking party – I can’t see a dawn for them. Parties rise and parties fall, and this one has fallen.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ EJ et al

The dilemma of whether to pander to your core base and narrow your appeal or attempt to increase your appeal but risk alienating your natural supporters is as old as politics. We’re having a (much nicer) version of that over here with Jeremy Corbyn of course.

If the GOP goes hard right and gets a drubbing in the polls then it may be that they’ll look for someone with wider appeal next time. It’s a cycle we’ve seen many times before.

The worst case scenario is that they campaign on a hard right ticket and do well. As someone once said “A week is a long time in politics” and “Events dear boy, events”. I can imagine a few scenarios that Trump could benefit from; especially if hyped in the right way.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
5 years ago

POM,
The number of people who are actually swing voters is quite small though. People like to say they’re independent, but ultimately will vote for the same party every time. Claiming to be an independent just makes people feel special. Citations will have to wait until I can home because I don’t have time to research now, but there have been studies.

What’s more important for Democrats is turnout. So many people stay home on election day because they don’t feel that either party represents them (and they’re right) and don’t see a difference between the two parties. This is especially true among demographics that vote Democratic when they do get out. Young people, poor people, and people of color.

Democrats have made a huge mistake – insert Gob Bluth gif here – chasing after the center these past few decades. What they need to do is get populist and go after infrequent and first time voters. As the demographics of the country shift and the GOP gets more blatantly racist and anti-choice, there’s a huge opportunity here. Bernie potentially has a huge appeal as a populist and independent. But he’ll only have a shot if the party base stops being so scared of candidates that aren’t hand picked for the mostly mythical swing voter. I don’t think primary voters are ready yet, but they should be.

napalmnacey
napalmnacey
5 years ago

He did NOT talk about Bette like that. Dude, it’s not going to end well. I don’t think he realises how many people in their 30s grew up with Beaches. That sh&t is SACRED, YO.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

Demographics are against the GOP. Racism, anti-immigration, anti-women, and anti-gay policies don’t play well in an increasingly diverse nation. They have nothing to offer millennials. Their base is mostly older, white, Southern, and Bible Belt voters, aka Fox News watchers. Until recently they’ve succeeded by convincing the working class that a) Scary People are out to get them and b) voting for tax loopholes for rich white dudes is also in their best interests, but people are finally starting to wise up after a few decades with barely any gain in wealth for the 99%, and obscene windfalls for the 1%. Trickle-down economics was a terrible scam.

Voters may not be enamored of Republican presidents lately, but for some reason they still like to pack the House and Senate with Republican majorities (or Democratic, when the president is Republican). Maybe it’s a subconscious balance of power thing. Usually the party that’s in the Oval Office loses ground in the midterm elections, as punishment for not fixing all the problems of the world in two years despite a hostile Congress.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
5 years ago

It’s turnout. Democratic voters simply do not turn out to vote during mid term elections. It’s a huge problem for the party that they don’t seem to be addressing that much because again, they’re directing all their energies towards chasing the center. I also think they need to put more resources into local elections in Republican leaning districts. The GOP has done this. They’ve built a dedicated base from the ground up. Democrats are focusing too much on the presidency alone.

It is so damn frustrating for me!

On a semi tangential note, my office is across the street pretty much from the Mall of America. There’s a BLM protest planned there today and the overflow parking lot is piling up with cop cars. It’s a little concerning. I hope the cops don’t trigger happy today 🙁

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

What WWTH said. I hope the protest goes well.

Turnout is always higher amongst the fanatics than amongst the moderates. If the GOP is shrinking down to its core of (as Buttercup Q. Skullpants says) hateful ageing Southern white Fox watchers, then they’re going to be able to count on a higher percentage turnout, albeit of a lower total. It’s the fringe benefit of being the extremist, I suppose.

Pacifists do not wish death upon our enemies; therefore I wish a long and happy life on those extremists. I hope they live to see their world taken away from them, and everything they ever clung to turn to ashes in their mouth as we build a better world.

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
5 years ago

“Unless something bizarre happens – the GOP getting taken over by Hispanics, say, and becoming a Spanish-speaking party – I can’t see a dawn for them. Parties rise and parties fall, and this one has fallen.”

That’s a good idea, actually. If all Hispanic and Muslim citizens of the US were to show up at the Republican caucuses, they might actually be able to pull it off.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

Pacifists do not wish death upon our enemies; therefore I wish a long and happy life on those extremists. I hope they live to see their world taken away from them, and everything they ever clung to turn to ashes in their mouth as we build a better world.

Amen, EJ.

For the past twenty years or so, the GOP’s GOTV strategy has been to get an inflammatory issue or two on local ballots (embryo rights, gay marriage, etc.) as a loss leader. It enrages energizes their base and gets them out to the polls, where they then also vote for Republican candidates. Voila…Republican majority. Outrage doesn’t motivate Democrats as much. Speaking personally, most of the time I find myself voting against bad ideas and candidates, and it’s getting really old. For a change, I’d like to vote for a good idea (or candidate).

I canvassed door-to-door for Obama in 2008, and was struck by the apathy among Democratic voters around here. Nobody seemed all that passionate about the election (except for the prospect of turfing Bush out). Voters are often suspicious of anyone “from away”, especially DC politicians who don’t understand us and might try to interfere. One year, an out of state PAC ran a sneering ad on local TV accusing Kerry of being a “Franco-American”, and it bombed. Apparently it hadn’t occurred to the ad writers that we have a sizeable French Canadian population who don’t take kindly to strangers coming in and maligning their ethnic group.

Huge&Classy
Huge&Classy
5 years ago

These quotes made my head spin

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@WWTH

Of course you’re right, that people tend to vote for the same party even if they identify as independent, but it’s a mistake to think that those people are actually loyal to the party that usually gets their vote and will never switch. A significant proportion of “independents” are actually libertarians, or Green Party, or socialists, or communists, or Tea Party, or any number of other non-Democratic, non-Republican identities.

Libertarians, for instance, tend to vote consistently Republican, because Republicans are more closely aligned with their ideas, but they will switch to Democratic if they ever feel that the local Democrat is better embodying their views.

What’s at work today is that the Republicans have been far, far better at manipulating the Overton window than Democrats over the past 40 – 50 years, and they are reaping the rewards thereof. Window-movers are, almost by definition, not electable. They are outside the window of acceptable discourse, and as a consequence they don’t win elections. A politician can win first, and then start moving the window, and we see this happen frequently, but the reverse doesn’t generally work. To move the window, one has to be outside of it, and being outside the window means that one is outside the realm of acceptable discourse.

It’s arguable (and I believe this to be true) that the Democratic National Committee consistently aims directly at the center of the window, which makes sense in terms of winning the election at hand. However, because the Republican party has been more willing to take risks with individual politicians, they have been able to move the window quite a distance without any significant counter-pull. So we find the Democrats, aiming at the center of the window every election, aiming farther and farther to the right as the window moves rightward. We’re now at a point where the center of the window is actively alienating to the leftist base of the Democratic party, because it’s so far to the right.

Sanders is one of the first major players to be willing to risk being a window-mover. But to move the window, he has to be outside of it, and being outside of it makes him really, really hard to elect. That’s just how this works.

Gigs88
Gigs88
5 years ago

Does anyone on here understand satire? Or the importance of context?

Gigs88
Gigs88
5 years ago

After sanders allowed people to take his podium and take over his rally i lost all respect for him as a leader. Those people where little girls what would he do if it was north Korea?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

Does anyone on here understand satire? Or the importance of context?

After sanders allowed people to take his podium and take over his rally i lost all respect for him as a leader. Those people where little girls what would he do if it was north Korea?

I’ve appeared to lost some context when reading the second part.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

A Trump supporter with a Hitler reference in his username? I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

@SFHC

Oh, yeah, that’s right. The 88 = HH = Heil Hitler schtick.