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Men’s Rights Activists Fight the Real Enemy: GQ Magazine, British Edition

MRA elder Paul Elam, totally reasonable guy
MRA elder Paul Elam, totally reasonable guy

In yet another stunning victory for their cause, Men’s Rights Activists have successfully infiltrated the comments of yet another article critical of them, leading possibly dozens of comment readers to mutter to themselves “Jesus Christ these guys again, honestly do they do anything else besides post this crap?”

This time, the target of the Men’s Rights raiders was an article on the website of GQ’s British Edition with the self-explanatory title “Men’s Rights Activists are cave dwelling idiots.”

Naturally, the comments from the MRA invaders tended to rather prove the author’s point, with regard to cave-dwelling idiocy.

There were accusations of gender treason:

Michel Famaey · Antwerp, Belgium Isn't GQ a men's magazine? No wonder your numbers are going down, traitors.

Bog-standard predictions of feminism’s impending demise:

James Chapman · Southern Business School Funny how these types of articles are surfacing more and more as the MRM is growing on A DAILY basis. Me thinks it is an attempt to ressurrect feminism as a movement, but unfortunately too many people are seeing through FEMINIST BIGOTRY. Regardless of what the dictionary definition of feminism is, its actions speak louder than words. It's a cult movement determined to acquire special privileges for women at the cost of their male counterparts. Feminism has overstepped its boundaries and it is slowly but surely dying.

Unique takes on women’s history:

Dennis Markham · Darien, Connecticut They were always female supremacists. At least the more successful ones. Every time feminism won a right for women, the consummate responsibilities didn't come for another 100 years. Women were able to keep their own income looooong before they were expected to be treated as financially responsible adults: to pay for their own upkeep, gambling debts, children, or even their own taxes. The "strong independent woman" was still entitled to the financial support of her husband like one of his children until about 1960. Look up Mark Wilkes.

Tampon jokes:

Zooper Duper Now I know why I never read gq magazine. Rupert can your next article be on how to and how often to change the male tampon?.

“Retard” used as an insult:

Balaji Narasimhan · Chief Executive Officer at Sahana and Daniya Narasimhan This article reads a lot like a spiteful four year old wrote it. I guess since your audience is feminist you have to write like a drooling retard to appeal to their simple brains.

Awkward turkey-related metaphors:

Jonathan Connett Disgusting that you try and position men as though they shouldn't have a voice. Equality is here, life will never be fair to everyone. You are like a Turkey voting for Christmas. Equality means all should be represented not blamed for everything as often happens today. You need to know when to stop sometimes and just get on with life.

And of course, Paul Elam:

Paul Elam · Founder and Publisher at A Voice for Men You idiots really think you are going to shut us up or even slow us down? Men have issues that are not being addressed. Publications like GQ would love to keep it that way. So you engage in a victim contest counting on the fact that your readers are so dumbed-down that they won't recognize the canard of that zero sum game. Magazine for men, my ass. Shame on the lot of you.

I should note that GQ seems to be moderating the comments fairly strictly; several I was intending to quote vanished before I grabbed a screenshot. I can only imagine what the rest of the moderated comments look like.

I should also note that Mr. Elam was so offended by the GQ article that he went and made a video about it.  

In it the angry Elam, occasionally sounding like one of the storytellers on Drunk History, denounces the article as “lickspittle journalism,” describes its author, Rupert Myers, as looking “kinda like Alfred E. Neuman with liver disease,” defends the infamous AVFM article in which he referred to Bill Cosby’s accusers as “a bunch of drug whoring star [expletive deleted]” and makes the preposterous charge that it is Myers who is the true misogynist for criticizing his Cosby article because this means that Myers thinks that, as Elam puts it,

talking honestly about the reality of drug whoring star [expletive deleted]s is hostile to all women.

You may have to run that through your head a few times until it makes any kind of sense, because it really doesn’t. 

Elam then declares Myers to be a “misogynist little [expletive deleted].

WINNING!

H/T — @idlediletante

 

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mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

It’s rainy and abnormally warm here in the mid-Atlantic US.

*reads thread*

Wow, these last few posts have attracted some especially tedious trolls.

Well, Happy Holidays to anyone who’s celebrating!

Happy end of December to anyone who’s not!

athyco
athyco
4 years ago

Orion said:

He was a therapist, but I’m going to need evidence that he was “extremely well-respected.” What do you mean by that? Did he publish widely-cited articles? Was he frequently asked to speak at professional conferences? Did he receive awards or honors from a professional organization?

Remember: Extreme. Your word.

Yes, Steyn, you have our Ear for these answers. Please remember as well, the pen is in your hand.

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
4 years ago

Just wanted to leave this here – it’s on topic:
http://i.imgur.com/S9TjqP0.png

raysa
raysa
4 years ago

Ok, weather in upstate SC:

I have my windows open, wearing thin pajamas, and it’s still kind of warm. Seventies during the day, 60s at night.

And buckets of rain. BUCKETS.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

@raysa

I adore your adoption dog already!
And I believe I neglected to mention my dog overlord’s name: It’s Remus. No, not after Harry Potter but rather the brother of Romulus. I’m so not nerd-cool like that.

@msexceptiontotherule

Ohhhhh myyy what a smart puppy! I want to see her showing the belly. ^_^ What kind is she? Mine’s just a mutt. German Shepherd, Collie and Flat-Coated Retriever. And cat and rubber duck.

MissEB47
MissEB47
4 years ago

Banananana dakry-

“Mostly eyes like that tell me one thing: ‘Back away very slowly, and for God’s sake don’t make any sudden moves'”

I think that is very sound advice. 0.0

I have to second David on this, we are not having a go at his eyes because we are lookist, but because of what his facial expression (and the body language in the video that David has described) means. Such a facial expression sets off alarm bells and rightfully so. He has proven himself to be a hateful and angry man.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@Leda Atomica

I keep trying to put Molly-pant’s (official name: Molly Mae, the -pants is just one of the add ons since I only use her full name when she’s in big trouble, like parents do the first and middle name for their kid when they act up) picture in a comment but alas fail at this because they’re all on my HD and I’m not so good at finding a way to make it work. *sigh* But she’s a chihuahua miniature pinscher mix and 14lbs of pogo-stick-like jumping fun….:P I spent over a year looking at the animals available for adoption on my local county animal control department website and knew when I saw her picture that she was the dog for me. She’s been more or less glued to me since I went down and picked her up from the shelter – right now her nose is pressed against the back of my calf and the rest of her is on/around my foot making it fall asleep – glued!

My much loved but now departed Siamese cat was the cranky, angsty main-fuzzy of the house for 7 years already, she didn’t know quite what to do about the dog-addition…until she discovered that Molly was perfect to sleep on top of like the dog was a heating pad under the blanket, who cooperated by not moving too much with the weight of the blankie and then cat on top of her. I’ve been considering adopting another cat, if I see the ‘right’ one…just wasn’t feeling quite ready for the last 18 months-ish to look at a new kitty possibility.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
4 years ago

@Virtually Out of Touch

Thank you for linking to the Reggie Yates clip! The full episode wasn’t available on the BBC site but I found it on YouTube and enjoyed it immensely (except for slimeball Doosh V, of course). I’ve never heard of Reggie before but I really liked his approach. He had some good insights.

I laughed at his WTF expression when Roosh said, “Women are being applauded and encouraged to look like fat, outer space cyborgs.”

I had no idea Milo was British.

Edit: Oh, I just saw that David devoted a post to this. Cool.

……………..

Regarding Paul Elam’s bulging eyes, there are plenty of pics of him on Google Images where the whites above his irises aren’t showing. The wide-eyed look appears to be a facial expression he wears when he’s raging.

…………….

I’ve shovelled more snow this month than the entirety of last winter. It’s gonna be a very white Christmas in my part of Canada.

Shaenon
4 years ago

I love when they think Anita Sarkeesian (or whoever their current hate-crush happens to be) is, like, president of feminism.

Mortarius
Mortarius
4 years ago

@WWTH: people in Sydney tend to view Queenslanders and especially the Gold Coast as a bit backwards (socially) or bonkers (politically).

Some examples include Paunline Hanson and her “One Nation” party, Billionaire Clive Palmer and his Palmer United Party, Senator Jacqui Lambie and many more, look em up if you want to see some of Aussies worst politicians.

It’s not really fair because Sydney itself produces just as many rotten apples like Tony Abbott.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
4 years ago

Hang on. Jacqui Lambie’s from entirely the opposite direction … Tassie.

As for the Gold Coast. I grew up with an entirely unfavourable view of it from my dad. When he was in Qland to train newbies in jungle fighting during WW2, they occasionally got a bit of leave to go to the coast. As far as he was concerned the area that we now call the Gold Coast was a hellish, smelly, mosquito infested swamp. Why anyone would want to visit there, let alone live there, was an impenetrable mystery as far as he was concerned.

From my own pov, it’s always seemed irretrievably crass and vulgar — those gold bikinis on the meter maids, Eeeewwww. Fun for those wot like it, not for me. Seemed all of a piece with the brown bag politics of Bjelke-Petersen and the rest, all the very worst of what we saw in movies or read in books about American society and politics and none of the good and admirable and honorable stuff of that society.

LankyYankee
LankyYankee
4 years ago

Ninja’d by mildlymagnificent! Jaqui Lambie, the Tassie girl, is an independent now, right? She had that falling out with Palmer.

I’m actually from Canberra, but my mother in law lives on the GC, and my bro is in Brissie, so we came up for Christmas. As I type, it is dark and rainy. Shoulda stayed in bloody Canberra.

@mm, yeah, it’s a bit too much of a shallow party town for me. But the beaches aren’t bad, and I just avoid the party areas and the casino. I might consider living in Brisvegas – love the heat so it wouldn’t be too much a chore to live here. Better than the chill.

@wwth – QLD and NSW have a rivalry going that is best celebrated by the annual State of Origin footy comp. Most of Aus likes Aussie Rules* footy, which is played in a circular field and they run a lot.

NSW and QLD prefer a different form of footy (the State of Origin kind) that is played on a rectangular field and there is more wrestling then running, but is somehow the less “posh” version of the third type of footy that is almost identical. And then there’s soccer.

Can you tell I don’t follow sport?

*I will note that there is an international Aussie Rules footy comp that, for reasons unclear to me, Australia does not participate in.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Thank you, Tyra Lith, that’s amazing. I really like that.

KathleenB
KathleenB
4 years ago

Re: illnesses – I’m fighting my second round of bronchitis in as many months, along with ALL THE BAD REACTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!! to a cortisone injection in my hip, both my sister and her husband had bronchitis (she coughed so hard she hurt her ribs) at the same time the nephew had an ear infection AND fucking pinkeye!! AND my mom has minor blood clots in her legs.

But hey, it’s almost sixty here in west Michigan, and maybe the wind will die down before it manages to knock out the power.

eta: i also have the good cough syrup and won’t have to drive across the state on sat!

Nicholas Mann
Nicholas Mann
4 years ago

@Lysa

This comment section features such commentary, Lysa. This one ‘ere. I don’t think I’m trolling. I mean, I’m being sincere. Isn’t trolling insincere, by definition? I’m not even playing devil’s advocate. I’m suggesting that we, in a totally secular way (or not, if ya want), do unto others as we would have them etc. Of course this is only my perception, as are all things everybody’s. But if one person’s perception is usually within range of a lot of other people’s, it is within range of relevance..?

I’m not talking about precise words, but the type of reduction of an adversary through insults of dubious relevance that women regularly call men out for online, appropriately. It’s not the entire thread, but a good third of the first page of comments are in that realm. Talk about his eyes being weird and the like. These are not that far from the “time of the month” comments we all love so much. Any time it is said that “x is just…” anything, it’s over-simplifying to assist in dismissal of what is probably more complex and worth deeper consideration.

Now I have to summon the energy to collect nasty conversations about gender, reverse the genders in them, and ask the internet to guess which is which. That should prove or disprove the idea that what I’m talking about is ‘a thing’. I’m not certain. All the things I perceive might be some kind of wrong. No reason to stop talking about them. I really hope I’m not a troll. Feels like the definition of that new, biodigital creature is morphing at a great rate.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

@msexceptiontotherule

Adopting furry friends is such a good thing to do. I regret getting my puppy from someone who just “wanted to get rid of” the litter before her move (though I do not regret getting my puppy).

I love that your kitty found the dog to be of good use. 😀

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Well, Nicholas Mann, the important thing is you get to feel superior.

Nicholas Mann
Nicholas Mann
4 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger – I don’t feel superior, I swear I doooonnnn’t! Please, I’m really not trying to pick a fight. Nothing I said suggests I think I’m better than any one, I really do not. I just want everyone to get along. The whole gender divide issue is too polarised, there’s too much sniping. The extremes get so much coverage that they seem way more representative than they are.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Tyra Lith
Ha! That was funny (and tiny) — and, sadly, un-copy-and-pasteable.

Other WHTM readers, you’ll have to scroll up.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@Nicholas Mann

False equivalence bullshit is one of the most common troll tactics. You’re not trying anything new or creative at all.

guest
guest
4 years ago

Hi Nicholas–I’m going to help you out a little with this one. Someone pointing out that someone else has sanpaku eyes is not misogynist. While it may be argued exactly what having sanpaku eyes means, having sanpaku eyes has nothing to do with being male or female; some women have sanpaku eyes (Michele Bachman is a notable example). Saying that someone is acting/saying something because ‘it’s that time of the month’ is misogynistic. Having periods is associated with being female, and being female has a long history in our culture of being associated with being irrational, ‘overly’ emotional, shallow, and other things which make men think it’s sensible to ignore what they say. Hope this helps.

guest
guest
4 years ago

And so I had an edit function and didn’t use it 🙂 Should have said ‘misandrist’ about the sanpaku eyes. As if ‘misandrist’ is a thing.

Nicholas Mann
Nicholas Mann
4 years ago
Reply to  guest

Hi, guest. Okay, fair call on that one. There is an interesting difference in reactions to a guy calling a girl ugly/fat than vice versa, but that’s not entirely relevant here. I stand corrected. Misandrist is a thing, though. Everything’s a thing. If there are people that like sexing up plush toys, there are surely misandrists. Of all genders. Spell checker doesn’t think it’s a thing, notably. I know the word is only a recent invention. Not saying it’s a problematic thing, but it exists.

@dhag85 – Wasn’t trying to be new or creative, just expressing an opinion. What is false equivalence and who decides that it’s false? I will google it before you tell me to google it or say something about poor education, still… am interested in what you meant.

Why does everyone think I’m trying to big note myself, here? I’m trying to have a conversation, maybe learn something. I have, even. It doesn’t have to be hostile or condescending, ie. “let me help you out a little”. The worst way to convince anyone of anything might be to insinuate that they’re an idiot – even when they are. Don’t you wanna convert idiots? Or is the war the objective?

And again, a troll is insincere, no? Whatever else I might be, I am not insincere, here.

guest
guest
4 years ago

Hi Nicholas–good for you having a think about what you wrote and changing your opinion; that’s a sadly unusual occurrence in people who express the kinds of opinions you express, so that makes you stand out somewhat.

The part that you’re missing is that while you may think that what you’re writing is significant and worth discussing, so have thousands of men before you, in thousands of internet forums, dinner conversations, academic Q&As…and those of us who’ve heard it all before find it pretty boring to have the exact same conversation with thousands of men who’ve just thought of these ideas and would like to discuss them. This isn’t really the website to do that; you’re probably better off on one of the ‘feminism 101’ sites where people are willing to patiently work with men like you, one by one and one on one, to help get you ‘up to speed’ on these issues, so you don’t have to sound like you’re repeating the same arguments and asking the same questions as everyone else. As some people like to say, it’s like wandering into a discussion about the most recent experiments at CERN (or, maybe more appropriately for this website, some inside-joke CERN humour), and asking the people engaging in it to take a break to help you understand the problems with the Bohr model.

Your arguments have been already been argued, and your questions have already been answered. You are correct that you yourself haven’t experienced these conversations yet, and you’re also correct that it would be worth your while to have them, but engaging in these kinds of conversations, with each and every man who needs to have them, is work, and not something you can really expect from anyone you encounter online.

Nicholas Mann
Nicholas Mann
4 years ago
Reply to  guest

So we’re all just the same. Enjoy your ultimate wisdom, I envy it so.

guest
guest
4 years ago

We’ve learned, so can you. But you need to work at it, like we have, and are. And it’s not something you can ever finish–god knows after all these years not a week goes by that I don’t learn more about feminism and other social issues.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Nicholas Mann | December 24, 2015 at 2:28 am
@weirwoodtreehugger – I don’t feel superior, I swear I doooonnnn’t! Please, I’m really not trying to pick a fight. Nothing I said suggests I think I’m better than any one, I really do not. I just want everyone to get along. The whole gender divide issue is too polarised, there’s too much sniping. The extremes get so much coverage that they seem way more representative than they are.

“I don’t want to feel superior! I just want to point out that feminists just as bad as misogynists who threaten to rape and kill women for existing and not behaving in ways they see fit!”

Really, dude?

Say what you want about feminism, but I’ve never heard of a feminist murdering or threatening someone for being an MRA. I’ve seen quite a bit of the opposite, though.

Nor is there a power imbalance that favors women when it comes to gender. Misandry is not a thing. Sexism against men isn’t a thing, because there’s a power imbalance with sexism that just doesn’t exist with cis men.

You can be prejudiced against cis men, but you can’t be sexist towards them because society as a whole is built to favor them, whether they want it or not.

So stop doing the false equivalence bullshit. You’re wrong, you won’t make fetch happen.

And no, we are not here to convince anyone to join our cause. You are not entitled to our time or our niceness. If someone wants to give you their time and niceness, more power to them. But you are not entitled to it from everyone here.

And no, we don’t have to believe you’re sincere because you insist you are. If you’re acting like a troll, you’re going to get called out for troll behavior. If you want us to believe you’re not a troll, stop doing the things you’re being called out for. Don’t double down and insist that you’re simply JAQing off and we should somehow accommodate you.

isidore13
isidore13
4 years ago

Wow. You took “people who haven’t studied have a lot to learn and tend to ask the same questions’ as ‘all men are the same’.

But you’re sincere and not a troll. Riiiiiight.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

“The whole issue is too polarised!”

That’s a common situation in issues where one side is right and the other side is wrong. Do you go onto medical forums and accuse them of being polarised over the issue of whether the theory of humours deserves equal time or not? Do you go onto engineering forums and accuse people of bias and polarisation over their refusal to substitute steel for balsa wood?

No?

Then please stop doing it here. Consensus is a false god and the insistence upon it may lead you astray, because sometimes things are true.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

I mean, I’m being sincere. Isn’t trolling insincere, by definition?

Nope. A troll is defined by whether or not their goal is to derail and annoy with their bad-faith wharrgarbl, not whether or not they actually believe said wharrgarbl.

Of course, that’s irrelevant, because there’s nothing sincere about “I’m not an MRA, but…” Or original.

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
4 years ago

@Kat:

Hmmm this is the link where I got it from, maybe that’s better?:
http://imgur.com/gallery/S9TjqP0

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
4 years ago

@Nicholas Mann and what if Africans had forced white Europeans into slavery WHAT THEN FOR ACCUSATIONS OF RACISM

what if I took your comments and changed a few words around so that you were saying that gay people are all the same ooooooh I bet you would look homophobic think about that

but seriously can you find any comment in this comment section that attributes Paul Elam’s… dysfunction to his being male? Because that would be equivalent to your hypothetical scenario of a bunch of dudes sneering about Paula Elamef being on her period.

ThatBear
ThatBear
4 years ago

Wait how can a zero-sum game have a canard? And… why? It’s almost like he doesn’t know what any of these words mean…

guest
guest
4 years ago

I’ve run into this personality type before, but it baffles me every time…how do people think other people know stuff they don’t happen to know? If I know something you don’t, it’s not because I’m magic, or utterly amazing, or better than you, or even smarter than you–it’s because I happen to have had the opportunity to learn it before you did. Big whoop. It’s not really an astounding accomplishment; it just boils down to having had the interest, opportunity, or sheer luck to have run across an argument or piece of information sooner than you did–sometimes due to the simple fact that I’m older, and have thus had more time to learn things (my response to people who ask ‘how have you managed to read all those books?’ ‘I’ve had a few more years than you to have read them’). And if you’re lucky I’m now taking the time and making the effort to share that argument or information with you, which means you now know it too! Win-win. Why people get weird and surly about this I have no idea.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago

So we’re all just the same. Enjoy your ultimate wisdom, I envy it so.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/GkzO7ro.gif

Just…google shit?

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
4 years ago

As a drug counsellor/therapist (my official job title is: substance misuse recovery worker) I am super happy to discover that I am considered to be a doctor.
I trained for years for this position – five years as an addict, 9 years of being in recovery of which I spent 4 years in college learning psychology and counselling.
The actual doctors at my work might not be amused if all the recovery workers declare ourselves to be doctors but I’ll assure them that an online MRA has bestowed the title upon us.

In fact I’m going to change my screen name to include my new qualification!

Styne
Styne
4 years ago

“He’s not a doctor of anything, nor I have I seen any evidence that he was ever well-respected as a drug counselor. ”

Well, therapists are usually thought of as doctor-like. They are health professionals. So it still wouldn’t be entirely wrong.

shay simmons
shay simmons
4 years ago

“therapists are usually thought of as doctor-like.”

By whom?

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Styne, “doctor-like” does not equal “doctor”.

Neither does “health professional”. They are not synonyms.

Words mean things.

Routemaster
Routemaster
4 years ago

English, unlike French and German, doesn’t distinguish between people who have earned medical and non-medical PhDs and, like ‘counselor’, it isn’t a protected term in UK law (I don’t know the situation in other countries). This means that it can be claimed on any basis and allows for equivocation; however, calling someone a doctor when they haven’t earned it (and it is something you absolutely have to earn) at the very least raises eyebrows and devalues any point that you or they make. If Paul Elam hasn’t done the hard work required for a PhD, particularly a medical PhD, don’t call him ‘doctor’ or ‘doctor-like’. It’s borrowed power. Please don’t do it.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@Leda Atomica

Adopting my dog was quite possibly the best $37 I ever spent in my life. Your puppy has a great home with you, regardless of the specific circumstances of how that came to be! 🙂 I plan to go down and look at some of the older kittens available for adoption at my local county shelter when they’re open again on the 26th, they no longer allow commitment to adopt holds to be placed over the phone, but all cats are free*.

*All adoption costs including the spay/neuter, shots, and microchip are being covered by a grant.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Styne

“He’s not a doctor of anything, nor I have I seen any evidence that he was ever well-respected as a drug counselor. ”

Well, therapists are usually thought of as doctor-like. They are health professionals. So it still wouldn’t be entirely wrong.

I guess that you’re not aware that you can’t call yourself a doctor unless you are one (PhD or MD). To do so would get you into big legal trouble.

And if you call yourself “doctorlike,” people would laugh.

But, you say, Paul Elam doesn’t call himself “doctorlike.” I do.

People are laughing.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Tyra Lith
Thanks, it’s so funny and much more readable now. I could read it before, but it took effort.

athyco
athyco
4 years ago

@Steyn

I have no idea why readers of We Hunted the Mammoth are your target audience for the idea of Paul Elam being “at one time…well-respected” and “doctor-like” in a health profession.

Should you not have more concern that his target audience hasn’t bothered filling his appointment calendar for therapy sessions through An Ear for Men? Or that after six months of patreon content, his patron count under that title is four (yes, 4) and earns him a whopping $7.26 per video from them?

I mean…really…do yourself a favor.

athyco
athyco
4 years ago

I am sorry, Styne, for misspelling your nym.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Does Styne think Dr. Laura is really a doctor too?

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

@Nicholas Mann,

Hi! Welcome to WHTM! (Sincerely, too – if you’re looking for honest and deep critique of the MRM, here’s the place)

Above, you mention that we in the comments are too critical of Elam’s appearance and are shallow on meaningful commentary, in the same way as sexist men reduce women. Such as this line here:

I’m not talking about precise words, but the type of reduction of an adversary through insults of dubious relevance that women regularly call men out for online, appropriately.

I have two replies to this! I will keep them short.

Reply the first! Search “Paul Elam” on this site and you will quickly see that our commentary on this individual is in fact of the depth and breadth of scope normally reserved for classical plays! This discussion on The Elam malE ranges from the furious to the sorrowful to the absurd! You’re in an absurd corner. Keep reading and you’ll get to what you’d like to see. Hooray diversity!

Reply the second! Even if there were nothing but shallow arglebargle on his appearance here, it still wouldn’t be equivalent! Men control social power that women don’t, making male critique of female appearance and behaviour much more damaging than the opposite. Note, however, that pretty much any time the comment section focuses on someones’ appearance, anyone at all, there are always commenters who point out that this is a terrible thing what we shouldn’t do! Because it’s not substantive and we are all about interspersing discussions on kitties and doggies with words what have actual meanings! Hooray discussion!

There you go. I hope that helps clarify things, and merry christmas, or newtonmas, or hexmas, or solstice, or long-weekend to you!

– Scildfreja

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

My friend really is a well respected health professional – and as an actual trained nurse she is so doctor-like I can inform her that she can skip the years of arduous studying to become one. Oh, and that silly little board that’s so tight-fisted about those certifications that they require passing your education. Who needs that? Said friend is also off to be trained as an army medic so she is war veteran-like already. Ca-ching veteran discount on bus passes!