So you remember that half-assed Star Wars: The Force Awakens “boycott” that the white supremacists tried to get going a couple of months ago?
Well, apparently it was a GIGANTIC SUCCESS. In some alternate universe. Probably.
Aren’t there like infinite universes or something? There’s probably an alternate universe somewhere where we’re all giant land-squids, and in that universe every single giant land squid decided to spend the day playing Jarts instead of going to Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
Oh, also in that universe Jarts are still legal.
Meanwhile, in this universe, where very few of us are giant land-squids, the Star Wars boycott kind of flopped big time.
Making this dude very, very sad, we imagine.
These people never are.
Personally, I see capitalism as a flawed system, and there is most certainly a better alternative out there. I hope we find it soon. However, unlike Walter, I would not dream of suggesting that businessmen and businesswomen, the ‘high flyers,’ never contribute anything of worth. I would never presume that they were all out, baying for money like ravenous dogs, with no regard for anyone, or whatever. In essence, what Walter is seeing as bad is a strawman. Disney create art, and everyone plays a part. Sensible, fair thought includes the acceptance of people from all walks of life, from all jobs and positions, including the wealthy. Walter seems to think he is being radical, but he is being reactionary in essence.
nparker
There is no need for citations to see how these suits have ruined the art of film, comics, TV even toys. The evidence is everywhere if you take off the corporate blinders they’ve They’ve spread white supremacy and sexism, all with the excuse of it being profitable. You seem to like fantasy movies, look at Wonder Woman. They made an Ant-Man before they made a Wonder Woman movie. You know why? Because those suits, who are by and large a bunch of racist old white men, think that a movie with a female superhero wouldn’t make any money. It’s the same with Marvel. If Kathleen Kennedy wasn’t in charge of Lucasfilm they would have put a bunch of white guys in that movie and it would have turned into a Michael bay explosion fest. The suits are part of the power structure that needs to be destroyed if there is ever going to be peace and fucking harmony for people. If htere is going to be an end sexism we need to get rid of these damn suits in the government and the corporations and athe goddamn city halls. They’re all part of the white supremecist power structure and mus tbe eliminated. Not through violence. I’m not a violnet person, but it has to be taken down.
As to George Lucas. He is an artist. Not a good artist, but an artist. He created a business. I support that. He didn’t get his job because mommy and daddy went to the same country club as Mr. Lotsamoneyheadofacorporation. He worked for it. he created things and added to our culture. He’s a hero in my mind.
WeirwoodTreeHugger
The definition of an artist is someone who creates art. These middlemen aren’t creating part. They’re funding it, sure. But they aren’t creating it. They by definition are not artists. They’re middlemen. Nothing more.
Falconer
I don’t know anything about you, but you seem like a corporatist. If that’s not true, I apologize. no one should be called an Objectivist if they really aren’t. That was wrong of me.
I didn’t say anything about jewish people. I was talking about the middlemen money changers that run these corporations. I’m sure some of them are jewish, but some of them are some other type of white person (like Italian or German) and some of them are black or Asian or whatever. I’m not concerned with their race. I’m concerned with the fact that they’re useless middlemen who want to protect the status quo and continue this sexist, racist, homophobic anti-art system that they created and want to see continue until they destroy the world with global warming.
I hate Disney. It buys everything. It needs to broken up. Like the banks. they need to be broken up as well. You know that when you step into a bank, all they do is try to sell you stuff? Everyone you communicate with is receiving a commission, even the tellers, and they’re all looking to see how much money you have so they can figure out how to sell you stuff. I know this is true because I worked at a bank. I know all about their methods of screwing people over. And they knew about the financial crisis. They knew that selling loans to people with bad credit would backfire, but they wanted that money from selling mortgage backed securities. They’re scum. All of them. And they got bailed out and got golden parachutes. It’s horrible. They’re horrible. I’m done. You people can support your corporate masters just bevause they give you a mediocre Star Wars movie. i won’t.
WeirwoodTreeHugger
I’m not saying that movies aren’t art. I’m saying that artists matter. Not the company and especially not these damn middlemen. Artists make art. Not the people who pay for the art, but the actual people who make the art.
It doesn’t matter what it is. It could be a macaroni collage, that’s art. But it’s only created by the artist. Not the person who bought the macaroni, bu the person who glued it onto the paper. They’re the artist!
yeah Walter ‘Raw,raw ,fight the powah’ (eye roll)
… Said the sexist, racist, transphobic boner troll, failing to fool anybody.
What part of “Fuck the hell off” don’t you understand?
For fuck’s sake. could Walter possibly miss the point any harder?
Nobody is saying that there aren’t issues with mass media and its motivations. Nobody is saying corporate America or capitalism are great. The problem is saying Star Wars: TFA must be all commodity and no art because Disney.
Walter,
You do not get to decide what is and isn’t art. Sorry bro. Besides, what if, as someone else asked (and you ignored) some people with bigger penises decide that it is art? Wouldn’t you have to submit? Or have you entirely moved on from trolling with penis talk to trolling people here for like a movie?
ETA: I’m fairly convinced that if we were all talking about some big blockbuster that we hate, he wouldn’t be wanking on about studio movies being not Real True Artz.
weirwoodtreehugger
I’m not saying that big blockbusters aren’t art. I think that they are. I just don’t think that the middlemen who fund them are artists. That’s all.
JJ Abrams is an artist. Not a good one, IMO, but he is an artist and The Force Awakens is a piece art. Not one that I enjoy, but it’s art.
he’s almost starting to sound like a gator passing judgment on what a ‘real game’ is.
“There is no need for citations to see how these suits have ruined the art of film, comics, TV even toys.”
Says a lot about you, really, Walter. Where is the sociological evidence?
“The evidence is everywhere if you take off the corporate blinders”
Mammotheers, I sense a mention of ‘sheeple’ a-coming!!!!
They’ve spread white supremacy and sexism, all with the excuse of it being profitable.”
A bad race ratio is not the same as white supremacy. My god, false equivalence much. Strawman possibly too.
“You seem to like fantasy movies, look at Wonder Woman. They made an Ant-Man before they made a Wonder Woman movie. You know why?”
Wonder Woman is a DC character, Ant-Man is a Marvel one. Not the same ‘suits.’ In fact, both DC and Marvel have handed control of their characters to many production teams and companies over the years, so even more so.
“Because those suits, who are by and large a bunch of racist old white men”
Citation needed. Show me that is their problem, and not society’s problem. Show me they are being malicious rather than passive.
“think that a movie with a female superhero wouldn’t make any money.”
You are literally mansplaining sexism to a feminist. Fuck off with that slimy bullshit.
And no, they are not ‘a bunch of racist old white men.’ The problems with sexism in the film industry exist throughout the power structure. Same with the whole of society. Don’t blame one group of people for racial and gender representation problems in the industry arbitrarily because of their positions in that industry. Directors, casting directors, even agents also play a role in casting.
“It’s the same with Marvel. If Kathleen Kennedy wasn’t in charge of Lucasfilm they would have put a bunch of white guys in that movie and it would have turned into a Michael bay explosion fest.”
And you know that how exactly? Have you perfected a mode of transport that can take you to timelines never fulfilled? Don’t use a great symbol, more representation in movies, to bash a single kind of industry employee.
“The suits are part of the power structure that needs to be destroyed if there is ever going to be peace and fucking harmony for people. If htere is going to be an end sexism we need to get rid of these damn suits in the government and the corporations and athe goddamn city halls. They’re all part of the white supremecist power structure and mus tbe eliminated. Not through violence. I’m not a violnet person, but it has to be taken down.”
Again, fucking fuck off with the mansplaining of women’s problems to a feminist. Oh, and this has to be copypasta from some websites that actually have some idea of what to fight for and how to fight for social justice, repurposed to fit your point.
This bit though- “Must be eliminated,” and this, “I’m not a violent person, but.” You’re not succeeding in disguising your wish for violence on these people. Again, I have to wonder- why do you hate these people so much?
“As to George Lucas. He is an artist. Not a good artist, but an artist. He created a business. I support that. He didn’t get his job because mommy and daddy went to the same country club as Mr. Lotsamoneyheadofacorporation. He worked for it. he created things and added to our culture. He’s a hero in my mind.”
He is a good artist, actually. Lots of people create businesses, though. George is admirable in this regard, but you are letting your hero worship get in the way of the fact that what you are saying can describe a lot of people in high up positions in industry. Lots created businesses. Lots of them got to their positions through hard work. Also, who cares if someone gets their career started because of their parents? Class-ism sent upwards is still fucking class-ism. You are engaging in class-ism, pure and simple.
“The definition of an artist is someone who creates art. These middlemen aren’t creating part. They’re funding it, sure. But they aren’t creating it. They by definition are not artists. They’re middlemen. Nothing more.”
Everyone plays a part. Stop repeating the same shit and actually fucking show us we are wrong.
“I’m concerned with the fact that they’re useless middlemen who want to protect the status quo and continue this sexist, racist, homophobic anti-art system that they created and want to see continue until they destroy the world with global warming.”
Again, they are not useless. Fucking listen to what others are saying. You are just repeating the same stuff over and over and over again. Refute!
“I hate Disney. It buys everything. It needs to broken up. Like the banks. they need to be broken up as well.”
My god, Walter, what the hell is your problem with the House of Mouse? You are full of bile and hatred for them. Stop. Let It Go, seriously. They are not out to get you, they are not evil, they do not hate you as you hate them.
“You know that when you step into a bank, all they do is try to sell you stuff? Everyone you communicate with is receiving a commission, even the tellers, and they’re all looking to see how much money you have so they can figure out how to sell you stuff. I know this is true because I worked at a bank. I know all about their methods of screwing people over. And they knew about the financial crisis. They knew that selling loans to people with bad credit would backfire, but they wanted that money from selling mortgage backed securities. They’re scum. All of them. And they got bailed out and got golden parachutes. It’s horrible. They’re horrible.”
YOU ARE DESCRIBING BANKS, NOT DISNEY.
Let go of your hate. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate- leads to suffering. (Suffering of being unable to listen to anyone telling you what you do not want to hear.)
“I’m done. You people can support your corporate masters just bevause they give you a mediocre Star Wars movie. i won’t.”
‘You sheeple! Wake up! UH, YOU ARE BENEATH ME! BEGONE, UNCULTURED RAGAMUFFINS! Have your stupid fun! See if I care!’
Mm, hm, >cough<. “There is no emotion. There is peace.”
Remember. Learn the first precept of the Jedi Code.
Walter: My dear old fish. Please go and watch The Little Mermaid. There is an Easter egg I think you’ll just love!
@ Walter
“I’m not saying that big blockbusters aren’t art. I think that they are. I just don’t think that the middlemen who fund them are artists. That’s all.
JJ Abrams is an artist. Not a good one, IMO, but he is an artist and The Force Awakens is a piece art. Not one that I enjoy, but it’s art.”
Actually (pathetically) that contradicts all your earlier assertions. Found the Easter egg yet? Go watch again, you’ll find it eventually!
Walter contradicting himself.
JJ Abrams can’t possibly have artistic vision because he’s working on this franchise for Disney.
People call him out for his smug pronouncements and all of a sudden, it’s
nparker
OK. Can we break this down into a few different areas so we can have a moew structured discussion?
This is my fault for going all the place with my argument, so that’s not a comment towards you.
Can we focus on these middlemen ruining art and spreading/continuing white supremacy?
If so I will wrire down my thoughts on that and post it later.
In terms of middlemen as artists:
I pay people to draw pictures for me. Seriously, it’s a hobby of mine to comission art. I tell them what to draw and they draw it. Does that make me an artist? I don’t think so. The person who drew the picture is the artist. I’m just paying for it. middlemen are the same. They are paying for art, they aren’t creating it.
weirwoodtreehugger
In that paragraph, where did I say that it wasn’t art? I said that it lacked vision and ambition, not that it wasn’t art.
Art can be soulless. Art can lack vision. Lacking those things means it’s bad art, not that it isn’t art.
@ Walter
So- you want me to ignore things that you don’t want to discuss anymore? I wonder why that is…
You did contradict yourself. You specifically said that Disney were not making what you consider to be worthy of being art. You said they are anti-art too.
Oh, and I’ve never said the executives are artists. Obvious Strawman is obvious.
nparker
I went all over the place. I’m trying to get the conversation back under control. What would you prefer to discuss?
I think Abrams is an artist, just a bad one. My comments were all directed at studio heads, not anyone else.
nparker
I said that Disney doesn’t make art. It can’t because it’s a company. It has employees who make art, but they’re employees, they aren’t Disney.
Tedious and obtuse Walter is
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I went overboard.
@Walter:
So we should just ignore everything you want us to ignore? Like how I am a Randian superhero, not to mention a Republican who can’t vote and hold something at the same time, because I went to, and enjoyed, a movie produced by a major studio?
We should just talk about how nobody at Disney is equipped to appreciate art, they just appreciate value.
No sale, Mr. “Authority correlates with wang size.”
Does anyone know the size of J. J. Abrams’ penis? That should settle the matter.
*sees comment about JJ Abrams’ penis, scrolls up*
Well, I wasn’t expecting that mess! Great, now I have to actually read all that just to find out wtf Abrams’ dick has to do with anything!
OH, that’s how.
Walter, as someone who *gasp* has actually been paid to make art, and hasn’t seen the movie, nor really cares to, I’d like to join the chorus of people telling you to fuck off!
Dude, Walter – my husband’s cock is over 8 inches long and he quite likes the new movie.
Conversation over*.
*According to your earlier assertions.
I never said that no one at Disney could appreciate art. They have many artists who can. Do the suits in charge appreciate art? Maybe. But they don’t care about art, they only care about money.
I called you a randian because I was being a dick. I’m sorry. But Disney is a blight on the American cultural landscape. It steals the cultural heritage of future generations, promotes white supremacy and is trying to form an entertainment monopoly! It’s a horrible company and we would all be better off if it didn’t exist.
You can like the movie if you want. I like a bunch of Disney stuff. Doesn’t change the fact that it represents everything that is wrong with America. It is an abomination.
I’m going to stop myself here. I have nothing against anyone who works for Disney, especially not the artists and oher creatives and even the suits, but I hate it and everything that it represents. I mean what it truly represents, greed and duplicity and megalomania.
Totally off topic, but maybe more interesting than Walter?
It’s the 22nd, Christmas Eve is the damned day after tomorrow. It’s 50°F out. At 1 am. In New England.
The fuck’s this shit?