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Memeday: Women’s Suffrage Causes Muslims, or Something

The Suffragettes: Secretly Muslim terrorists all along?
The Suffragettes: Secretly Muslim terrorists all along?

So I’m declaring Fridays — or at least this Friday — to be MEMEDAYS.

I found the lovely “infographic” below on the Twitter, in the #FeminismIsAwful hashtag. Apparently the suffragettes were working for the evil secret Muslim menace all along! Probably for ISIS, too. Who knew!

thanksbigIn case you can’t read all the teensy text at the bottom, here it is in a somewhat larger form. Warning: It still doesn’t make much sense.

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I’m sort of thinking that this wasn’t actually written by Muslims after all..

 

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Stace
Stace
4 years ago

Aw man. They are onto us!

Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Wait, there needs to be “proof of long-term sustainability” for basic human rights, else they’re unjustified? Is there proof of long-term sustainability for giving anyone the franchise or even personal freedom? Isn’t this “infographic” just arguing for monarchy, the most time-honored and time-tested of political institutions?

Wait, what am I doing, this shit isn’t supposed to make sense. All it cares about is tearing women down by any means possible.

Yutolia
Yutolia
4 years ago

What scares me the most is that some of them will believe this…

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Nobody ever immigrated before women’s suffrage.

There were no Muslims in the west before women’s suffrage.

This has been today’s history lesson from the whacky, zany, madcap world of ant feminism.

Vetarnias
Vetarnias
4 years ago

I was going to drop this one on GamerGate, but anyway:

“The BUF [British Union of Fascists] press published biographical details of its candidates and made sure that readers were aware that the former Suffragette Norah Elam, the prospective parliamentary candidate for Northampton, had been imprisoned three times and ‘endured several hunger strikes’. She had also, it noted, been involved in recruiting, had worked in a munitions factory and sat on several government committees before standing as an Independent candidate, then joining the Conservatives and finally joining British Union shortly after its creation. Her Suffragette past was also praised by [BUF leader Oswald] Mosley himself. Speaking at a meeting to introduce her to her prospective constituents, he declared that ‘it killed for all time the suggestion that National Socialism proposed putting British women back in the home’.” (Martin Durham, “Women and Fascism”, p. 43.)”

Fabe
Fabe
4 years ago

The sad thing is I’m sure they are people so blinded by their hatred of Muslims and Islam and accept every thing attributed to them as true that they’ll believe this .

loquora
loquora
4 years ago

Thank you, Red Pill Asshats, for reminding me why I’m a feminist.

eyesopen
eyesopen
4 years ago

“democracy without women’s suffrage” is surely an oxymoron, or put another way, nonsense.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
4 years ago

Well, let’s see. The second one doesn’t sound all that bad, and I imagine that many Muslims are grateful for that. And not only Muslims, for that matter: most decent human beings.

Fourth one? Yup. I’m not a Muslim, but I’m definitely grateful for that.

Fifth one? Well, I disagree on the “causing society’s breakdown” part, but aside from that, sure. If I’m a white knight, then you’re welcome.

Admittedly, I’m doing this weird thing of not conflating “Muslim” with “terrorist,” but you’ll have to forgive me. The evils of feminism have clearly weakened my once-mighty manly brain, with the disturbing side effect of leaving me able to see shades of gray. (Well, except for that movie. Hell no.)

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
4 years ago

Dumbass meme producer wrote:

We Muslims want to thank Western women for weakening Western men by [sic] a never-ending barrage of feminism, whining and gender nonsense while at the same time not lifting a finger for them.

Oh, I’m pretty sure most Western women are lifting a finger for MRAs. Just the one, though.

But seriously, according to MRAs, aren’t men supposed to be all tough and rugged and manly? How alpha can you really be if you’re devastated and rendered helpless by a philosophy and some words delivered in a grating tone?

MRAs are such delicate little cupcakes….

And we Editors want to thank MRAs for not using the Oxford comma, because you really, really don’t deserve its dignity, elegance, and functionality.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

““democracy without women’s suffrage” is surely an oxymoron, or put another way, nonsense.”

It’s more a bad idea we have grown out of than an oxymoron.

The Athenian Democracy did give vote only to a small part of its population, aka non-slave male athenians who owned some lands. It was still called a democracy.

Of course, that don’t mean that refusing voting right to any portions of the population is a good idea (and I am in favor of giving voting right to illegal immigrants as long as they are in the country at the time of elections, as well as to convicted felons and basically anyone alive in a country), and I don’t have the feeling that pre-imperial Roma or democratic Athena were really bastions of good governance ; just a bit less shitty than elsewhere.

In other words, it’s not an oxymoron (in the meme) but a moron (who write that) who want a scapegoat for everything bad in his life and with the flimsiest of all arguments, which I don’t even have the energy to prove wrong.

Vanir85
Vanir85
4 years ago

And anti-feminists will claim they DON’T oppose and despise ALL women. No, they don’t mind “real” women at all… just those nasty manhating feminists…

Well, i suppose this COULD be true, if they define non-feminist “real” women as; “women who are okay with being politically powerless and economically dependent breeder-servants for their male overlords.”

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

The Athenian Democracy did give vote only to a small part of its population, aka non-slave male athenians who owned some lands. It was still called a democracy.

Well, such a system wouldn’t be called a democracy now, would it?

If it was meant originally to mean “government of the people”, and we have got to the point we agree all humans are equally people, then it follows that a government previously labelled “democracy” in its time still wouldn’t be democratic by today’s definition of the word.

I sort of agree with the evolution of ideas you’re presenting. I think it’s not so much a “bad idea we have grown out of” as much as “the people part of the definition included more and more humans with time.”

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

Luzbelitx:

Well, such a system wouldn’t be called a democracy now, would it?

Depends on who is doing the calling. Are you familiar with the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea?

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

Depends on who is doing the calling.

Yep, that was pretty much my point 😉

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

I’m told that the first references to “democracy” used it as a pejorative: the concept of a baying mob of non-aristocrats having the right to political influence was something that horrified those ancient thinkers.

Gipsz Jakab
Gipsz Jakab
4 years ago

Could we perhaps refer to ancient Athens as a proto-democracy?

Chaltab
Chaltab
4 years ago

So do they actually expect this to convince anyone? Every goddamn MRA meme I see seems to be predicated on the viewer already sharing their bigoted beliefs, meaning anyone who doesn’t just looks at them like they’re massive idiots.

The idea that women’s suffrage leads to things like Clinton and Obama getting elected, or more Muslim immigrants, is only horrifying if you think those things are worse than the injustice of denying half the adult population a vote based on nothing but a random circumstance of their births. It’s like a missionary who tries to win converts on the premise that otherwise you’ll go to a hell that you would only believe in if you were already converted.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago

Oh, fuck this. These fuckups are trying to use Islamaphobia to bolster their fucking anti-feminist agenda AND giving fucking anti-feminist a reason to fucking harass Muslims.

Fuck you, you fucks. Fuck the fuckers who fucking wrote this fucking shit.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/fyu.gif

I am so fucking PISS.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

“the people part of the definition included more and more humans with time.”

I would not say current democracies consider children to not be people, but just consider that they aren’t fit to do political choice, so there is a minimum age to vote. That one voting restriction seem sensible to me ; the age cut out is arbitrary, but it’s better than any subjective criteria like being “mature” or “sane” enough.

That restriction is the sane version of the variation on the “censitary suffrage” idea, which was not here because they thougth poor people weren’t people, but that they weren’t responsible adults.

I don’t know which age cutout would be better than the current one. I am pretty sure that under 10 years very few children could be grown enough to meaningfully vote, and I don’t deal with 10-18 enough to know at which point a significant portion have well formed opinions. At 15 I am pretty sure I started to form political opinions based on what the politicians actually said instead of being based on my parents opinion.

Boris
Boris
4 years ago

You mock, but a Grand Unifying Theory of rightwing conspiracies would bring the world to its knees. And they have top men working on it.

Top men.

Bina
4 years ago

I want to thank MRAs for the biggest damn belly laugh I’ve had all day. Thanks, Menzers, for being such delusional right-wing idiots as to think this would fool anyone!

And that said, no, we still won’t fuck you or obey a word you bloviate, so fuck off.

Bonelady
Bonelady
4 years ago

All of the complaints of this meme, except the first, which is a lie, are not things of which I am ashamed. In fact, I am proud to be a social justice warrior, am glad to live in a society where women can compete with men, if that is what they want to do, and where abortion is legally available if I need or want one. I am also proud of having voted for Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama and Jimmy Carter. I am glad that there are men who support women in these endeavors.
These guys don’t know much about the religious reactionaries of Daesh, who hate all of these things and clearly do not think they are helpful to them.

So, massive meme fail here.

Note: I assume these guys had mothers who lifted many fingers for them as children, and female teachers, waitresses, and sales personnel ditto. So provision 1 is a lie.

Bonelady
Bonelady
4 years ago

All of the complaints of this meme, except the first, which is a lie, are not things of which I am ashamed. In fact, I am proud to be a social justice warrior, am glad to live in a society where women can compete with men, if that is what they want to do, and where abortion is legally available if I need or want one. I am also proud of having voted for Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama and Jimmy Carter. I am glad that there are men who support women in these endeavors.

These guys don’t know much about the religious reactionaries of Daesh, who hate all of these things and clearly do not think they are helpful to them.

So, massive meme fail here.

Note: I assume these guys had mothers who lifted many fingers for them as children, and female teachers, waitresses, and sales personnel ditto. So provision 1 is a lie.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
4 years ago

Lol, ISIS (Daesh) are pretty well-known for having millions of dollars for slick graphic design on all their official propaganda. Even murderous terrorist organizations use better infographics than the Manosphere.

Can’t even be bothered with the “We Muslims”… as if all Muslims (even my lovely upstairs neighbours) are wringing their hands over the imminent demise of Western Society, like someone cack-handedly drew stereotypical “Muslamic” features on Le Happy Merchant.

*Shakes head despondently* So far, so Racist.

But I noticed one weird detail..
What the Hell would Obama & Clinton have to do with preventing the rise of UKIP -> the UK Independence Islamophobe’s Party? Wrong country, fool.

Since no American would likely reference UKIP, was this made by a Brit? No red-blooded Little Englander would confuse Obama and Clinton for British politicians, so was it made by someone else? …I can’t fathom any hardcore Nationalist getting something like that wrong. Like… Do you even know the first thing about your country that you’re “defending”?

TiredTexan
TiredTexan
4 years ago

Terrorism has risen 4500% in the Middle East since 2002. We’ve spent $75,000 per man, woman and child on terrorism since 2001. All because of a war started by men.

But it’s the feminists’ fault. Yeah.

Imperator Kahlo
Imperator Kahlo
4 years ago

Everything is the feminists’ fault. Since forever.

runsinbackground
runsinbackground
4 years ago

@Ohlmann
You’re half right about the Classical Greek view of residents of a city-state who didn’t meet the property requirements for the vote: they were adults under the law in that they could be held liable for crimes and whatnot, but they were considered to have too small of a stake in the continued existence and efficient functioning of the state to be allowed to have a say in its government. A man with no real estate holdings in territory controlled by Athens can just pick up and flee if the Spartans get rambunctious (or stay and turn collaborator in hopes of being rewarded with confiscated property), while a member of the demos with a big farm and lots of slaves will stay and fight to defend his property, and he’ll also be more motivated to vote for policies that keep him from having to fight at all. That’s not to say that this was a particularly good way of running a country (your plebs are less likely to revolt if they think they have some other way to get what they want) , but it has a certain internal logic.

sbel
sbel
4 years ago

@AltoFronto

But I noticed one weird detail..
What the Hell would Obama & Clinton have to do with preventing the rise of UKIP -> the UK Independence Islamophobe’s Party? Wrong country, fool.

Since no American would likely reference UKIP, was this made by a Brit? No red-blooded Little Englander would confuse Obama and Clinton for British politicians, so was it made by someone else?

My guess is they’re an American. I think a Brit would probably mention some British politicians by name, instead of (or in addition to) Obama and Clinton.

I don’t think they’re really saying that same people voted for Obama and against the UKIP. Though, it would be funny if they did think that. (Education is for feminazis!!!1!!! 😉 ) They’re just blaming women in the US for electing Obama, and women in the UK for voting against the UKIP. Cuz, you know, women are all the same.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

How dare we have the audacity to vote for people who have our interests in mind.

littleknown
littleknown
4 years ago

So, they’re basically saying that if we create a society that is regressive and anti-feminist enough to align with extremist Muslim fundamentalists who are opposed to progressive and feminist values … we won’t have to worry about extremist Muslim fundamentalists anymore?

Gee.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

There were no Muslims in the west before women’s suffrage.

Seeing people speak as if easter people had never interacted with white people until recently pisses me off.
I wish it were illegal for these people to use Hindu-Arabic numeral system. Not forever. Just for a little while. I think the results would be funny.

Bina
4 years ago

There were no Muslims in the west before women’s suffrage.

Actually, there were.

I guess these morons have never heard of Moorish Spain, eh?

Bina
4 years ago

Also, LOLing @ “We Muslims want to thank white knights”. Oh, you mean like the CRUSADERS??? Those patriarchal robber buffoons who wanted to kill Muslims and sack Jerusalem?

History is such an inconvenient thing. Especially if you’re a menzer.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Vanir85

And anti-feminists will claim they DON’T oppose and despise ALL women. No, they don’t mind “real” women at all… just those nasty manhating feminists…

Well, i suppose this COULD be true, if they define non-feminist “real” women as; “women who are okay with being politically powerless and economically dependent breeder-servants for their male overlords.”

I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. It wouldn’t matter at all to the MRM how much women bowed down to them: They would still hate them and abuse them. To them, women’s role is to suffer.

And that is an actual quote from an acquaintance of mine who was an MRA before the acronym was invented: “Woman’s role is to suffer.”

Of course, I’m not basing my theory on one man alone. I’m basing it on every hateful thing that I’m aware of that those who hate women have said and done.

They’re bullies. And bullies bully.

bluecat
bluecat
4 years ago

Hmm, well for many years the biggest “Muslim power” in the world, the one with the greatest number of Muslim subjects, (far more than the Caliphate in the days when the Caliph was the Ottoman Sultan) was of course the British Empire.

Which although it was ruled by an Empress, was governed by men, voted in by a minority of the men in it. No women’s suffrage to be seen.

(Curious historical fact: in the run-up to WWI the Kaiser mooted a plan to claim he was a descendent of the Prophet, hoping the British Empire’s Muslims would welcome him with open arms and make him Caliph. Or he may have actually believed he was – he also planned to enter Jerusalem in triumph wearing white and riding a white horse, through the Golden Gate – implying a claim to be the Messiah too).

Cthulhu's Intern
Cthulhu's Intern
4 years ago

Yes, because if there’s anything ISIS is known for, it’s women’s rights and loving abortions.

LindsayIrene
4 years ago

If women’s suffrage caused Muslims, did the Emancipation Proclamation cause Hindus?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
4 years ago

Cthulhu’s Intern! HI!!!

GardenGallivant
GardenGallivant
4 years ago

Interesting these meme Muslims don’t mention any feminist group like Sisters of Islam or Musawah that are having such an impact in Malaysia and other countries. After all are not all feminists the same, teaching women about wifely disobedience?

It would seem the meme makers would be commenting on how the western feminists have influenced Muslim women and lead them to believe they should even have a role in lawmaking like Morocco’s 2004 law redefining marriage as an equal partnership between spouses.
Instead they read just like the usual ghastly memes the manosphere produces. Curiouser and curioser.
http://www.musawah.org/about-musawah
http://www.thenation.com/article/rise-islamic-feminists/

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

To me it looks like they’ve just gone, ‘I don’t like this section of people. Oh, I don’t like that one either. Therefore, they must both be supporting each other!!!’

Just another way in which manospherians think they are the centre of the universe.

Delphi_ote
Delphi_ote
4 years ago

“Isn’t this “infographic” just arguing for monarchy, the most time-honored and time-tested of political institutions?”

You don’t get monarchy until you research ceremonial burial and code of laws. Despotism is the most time-tested system of government!

(Sorry. I had to do it.)

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

Yes, because if there’s anything ISIS is known for, it’s women’s rights and loving abortions.

I don’t think these guys are claiming that.
They would assert that feminism, women’s suffrage, abortions, etc, all serve to weaken any society in which they’re found, therefore “we Muslims” are thanking “Westerners” for allowing these things to take root so that Islam (in this narrative, a monolithic bloc that does not allow / seriously frowns upon these things and thus maintains masculine strength and sense of purpose) may take over / infiltrate / invade the now degenerate West.

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

That restriction is the sane version of the variation on the “censitary suffrage” idea, which was not here because they thougth poor people weren’t people, but that they weren’t responsible adults.

Infantilizing a whole group of disempowered people may not be “completely” dehumanizing them, but it is a key part in the general process of objectification.

Also, if “people” are supposed to grow up to be “responsible adults”, and then we arbitrary separate a group (by gender/sexuality/class/race/(dis)ability/whatevs) and decide “a priori” they won’t ever grow to be responsible adults then we’re actually saying they are’t really people.

At 15 I am pretty sure I started to form political opinions based on what the politicians actually said instead of being based on my parents opinion.

I know a lot of grown up people who are still not basing their opinions on what the politician actually say 😛

In Argentina voting is mandatory for everyone 18+ years old (although there were never a lot of consequences for not voting), and during the Kirchner administration a law was passed which allows 16 – 18 year olds to vote if the choose.

Back in the 1940s, Coronel Perón was Secretary of Labor after a military coup d’etat, after which he became an ally to the unions and working families. His increasing power worried the ruling people so they locked him in jail: workers from the whole country mobilized to the Plaza de Mayo and demanded his liberation.

Peron demanded only one thing from the military in order to talk to the people and get them to go home: to have free, clean elections (only men voted at the time, and the called it “universal suffrage” puh-lease) .

Before the day of the election, Peron gave a long speech on the radio, emphasizing the improtance of voting and explaining everything was at stake. He even went full honesty mode, telling them to not let the landowners discourage them from voting, to prevent their IDs being stolen by them, even to break the locks if the landowners locked them!!

Most people were rural workers back then, so they usually lived in the landlords’ property, or their home belonged to them. Unions were only beginning to organize in the larger cities.

Then, during Peron’s presidencies the law for women’s vote was approved, and announced by Evita. There is evidence in Peron’s compilation of classes he gave at the Peronist Political School that he considered women’s vote a strategic political maneuver, and he also speaked of lowering the age of voting.

PS: I intended to say the age of voting is an ongoing debate. Then a teal dear happened.

Nick Gotts
Nick Gotts
4 years ago

They would assert that feminism, women’s suffrage, abortions, etc, all serve to weaken any society in which they’re found, therefore “we Muslims” are thanking “Westerners” for allowing these things to take root

– mockingbird

Exactly. And it’s true that the (partial) emancipation of women has been accompanied by a large drop in birth rates (in Europe, and elsewhere, e.g., somewhat surprisingly, Iran) – so many European countries will indeed need immigrants for their workforces (in economic terms, the refugees from Syria and elsewhere are likely to be a considerable bonus, being predominantly skilled and resourceful families). The actual writers of the infographic want to force women back into a child-rearing role, but even if that could be done right now (economically, it can’t – women are essential in multiple key sectors of the paid labour force), the unavoidable lag in producing working-age people would still make continued immigration inevitable.

The secular/liberal/progressive left should not pretend large-scale immigration may not raise problems, but plan and work for better integration of new arrivals.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
4 years ago

WTHH
Nobody ever immigrated before women’s suffrage.

There were no Muslims in the west before women’s suffrage.

Actually America was built on illegal immigrantation. We white people are the first immigrants to not only invade this land but to commit genocide towards native Americans and did other atrocities towards them too.

We also had Muslims here before women’s suffrage.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I know, I was being sarcastic.

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

So lemme see if I got their logic straight; Muslims are bad because sexism, therefore women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Yep, sounds like white supremacist MRA logic to me.