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The Protocols of the Elders of Feminism (Or, Gloria Steinem Didn’t Really Say That)

No, Gloria Steinem did not say this.
No, Gloria Steinem did not say this.

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I‘m continually amazed by the amount of time and energy that antifeminists put into fighting monsters of their own creation — that is, the imaginary feminists in their heads who bear about as much resemblance to real feminists as the rapacious, Machiavellian characters in The Protocols of The Elders of Zion do to real Jews.

I’ve made the Protocols of the Elders of Zion comparison more than a few times before, but I ran across an example of antifeminist monster-making earlier today that parallels the Protocols so exactly that it’s kind of unnerving.

The original Protocols, as many of you no doubt know, were an anti-Semitic forgery concocted in Russia by the Tsarist secret police around the turn of the twentieth century, purporting to offer proof of a plot by a cabal of Jews to take over the world. The document offered what it claimed was a transcript of a secret meeting of the aforementioned Elders that took place at some point late in the nineteenth century; in fact, most of the dialogue was plagiarized from works of fiction published many decades earlier.

Basically, the so-called Protocols are a collection of cartoonishly eeeeevil fake quotes from imaginary Jewish Elders. But millions of people, including Henry Ford and a certain Adolf Hitler, believed them to be real. Or at least acted as if they did.

Much of what Men’s Rightsers and other antifeminists believe about feminists is similarly bogus. I’ve written before about the collections of dubious “evil” quotes from feminists that regularly make the rounds on the antifeminist web (and that any number of antifeminists have cut-and-pasted into the comments here).

And I’ve written about the deliberate disinformation campaigns started by #GamerGaters and MRAs by spreading made-up quotes attributed to feminists like Jessica Valenti and Anita Sarkeesian.

So today I ran across yet another example, this time in the form of an “infographic” featuring an obviously fake quote purportedly from Gloria Steinem that was being passed around by a couple of A Voice for Men Twitter soldiers today.

I’ve pasted it above, though, as you may have noticed, I’ve taken the liberty of adding the words FAKE QUOTE in big red letters in case the picture gets into someone’s image search results sometime in the future.

So how do I know the quote is fake? Well, there’s the fact that it obviously is. But, to be sure, I used my highly sophisticated internet search skills to type part of the first sentence of the fake quote into a website called “Google.”

Looking through the results, I discovered that the “quote” originally appeared in a post with the ungrammatical title “Are Chimps smarter than Feminist?” on a little blog called The Waterpipe.

The Waterpipe is not a source that inspires much confidence. The blogger behind the site made only four posts in total, all of them attacks on feminism; the site’s “about” page contains the dummy text that WordPress expects bloggers to replace with their own bios.

The “Are Chimps smarter than Feminist?” post begins — shades of the original Protocols! —  by plagiarizing a hefty chunk of text about chimpanzee tool use from the website of the Jane Goodall Institute.

The “author” then goes on to suggest that chimps are in fact smarter than “feminist” because

The chimps have demonstrated an ability to conduct their parasitical relationship with termites in a sustainable manner as to not exhaust the termite nest and thus increase chances of survival, this survival instinct is not present in feminist. …

the feminist movement has made it its primary objective to eradicate masculinity. Ironically women in their 30s who are childless, unmarried and on a steady supply of anti-depressants are now questioning “Did we overdo it”

As evidence, of sorts, for this contention, the author presents us with the similarly ungrammatical lament of an obviously fictional character named “Clara Strongwoman,” who declares

I was willing to be a good wife, cook and clean while the man bought home the bacon, but you lousy feminist had to ruin it for all of us with your endless victim-hood, outrageous demands and out of control sense of entitlement.

While it’s pretty clear that the blogger here seriously believes the MGTOWish crap he’s peddling, it’s also pretty clear that he means “Clara Strongwoman” to be a joke.

He follows her obviously fake quote with an obviously fake dialogue amongst famous feminists, which he introduces as follows:

Top feminist from different organisations were secretly recorded by an anonymous user called Agent Orange on a debate with each other if they exhausted their parasitical relationship on men.

In other words, these famous feminists are purportedly discussing what to do now that they’ve driven men away with their endless demands.

Here’s a portion of the dialogue, purportedly between Steinem, radical feminist and anti-porn activist Gail Dines, and someone called “Bonnie Grabenhoffer” (two f’s) — who is presumably supposed to be NOW Action Vice President Bonnie Grabenhofer (one f).

As you’ll notice, the blogger doesn’t bother to try to make the discussion sound even vaguely convincing; it’s basically a very crude satire. The fake Steinem quote from the infographic is right in the middle of it all; I’ve put it in bold.

>Gail Dines: We pushed them too far and now there’s no going back, we had men right where we wanted, they worked long hours while we could play hide and seek in our pajamas with the kids, they went to die in wars, while we did easy house chores with our washing machines, dishwashers and vacuum cleaners.

>Gloria Steinem: I agree with Gail we even had chivalry, a fu**ing social etiquette that was heavily enforced which disposed men to heroic actions for the benefit of women, but now chivalry is being associated with beta behaviour.
Of course I agree with everyone in this room that emasculating and degrading men was the right thing to do, but we should have left a little bit of dignity in men so that they were still useful to us

>Bonnie Grabenhoffer: We could try shaming tactics but even the dumbest men still have an adequate survival instinct
We are trying very hard to rebuild society by removing male spaces but now we have things like Men Going Their Own Way and male rights groups popping up

>Gail Dines: Why? We cant even shame men into doing things anymore, they have little masculinity, how can a man even sink lower? I think what we need to also do is destroy the male survival instinct. Then they will start marrying women again.

Yes, that’s right: it’s a secret cabal of “top feminist” trying to figure out … how to get men to marry women again. Frankly. the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were more convincing.

Yet this ridiculous blog post got picked up by other antifeminist blogs and passed around by assorted antifeminists on Facebook. Now the fake quote is making the rounds on Twitter.

One atheist/Linux blogger reposted some of the dialogue above as if it were authentic, taking particular umbrage at the fake Steinem’s fake “stupidity.”

These so-called feminists put men down for doing just that to women for centuries. What’s their answer? If women are to be happy and productive, women need to do to men what women thought was horrible when men did it to them. I see no difference between Steinem and some chauvinist pig who thinks women should be in the kitchen cooking, barefoot and pregnant. …

I have a suggestion for the Steinems of this world: help free humanity from its primitive roots and stop spreading this bucolic bacchanalia about making slaves out of men.

Fake quote, real anger. See how that works?

People believe what they want to believe. When it comes to feminism, a lot of people are determined to believe the worst.

The more gullible anitifeminists believe the fake quotes are real; the more cynical antifeminists may be well aware the quotes are fake, but they’re happy to spread them anyway, knowing that their more gullible comrades will swallow the lies wholesale.

As the forgers of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion knew all too well, if your aim is to spread hate, lies are much more effective than truth.

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Falconer
8 years ago

Oh, oh! I forgot! The guy who jacked up the AIDS drug, Martin Shkreli?

Perp walk!!

Turns out he was using stocks and funds at his last job to pay off his personal debts.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ Falconer

To be fair, “Gerrymander” isn’t a name

Ha, I had been thinking there was a guy actually called Gerald Mander. You’ll be telling me next there never was a “Phillip E Buster”!

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

Oh, oh! I forgot! The guy who jacked up the AIDS drug, Martin Shkreli?

Perp walk!!

Turns out he was using stocks and funds at his last job to pay off his personal debts.

My schadenfreude cup, it runneth over. The moral arc of the cosmos may be long but it bends towards pwned.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
8 years ago

@Falconer
I read the wikipedia article but I didn’t pay much attention because I found the subject a bit… tedious.
But now that you mention it, I’m worried: I wrote “former” to indicate “Quisling” – was I supposed to have used “latter”? Sometimes I confuse words in English. Sometimes I also confuse words in English and Portuguese, and my father likes to call me “anglocephalus” when I do it, which I don’t think is fair.

Edit: Well, “anglocéfala”, but that’s the best translation I can come up with.

Falconer
8 years ago

Aw crud, RosaDeLava, that was my mistake.

You did say “former” and for some reason I read “latter.”

My brain. It dumb.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
8 years ago

@Falconer
Nah – it’s a regular episode of “dumb” which we all suffer from sometimes.
But I think being called “Gerrymander” would be unfortunate too, if only because it sounds silly.

Falconer
8 years ago

@Alan: Yeah, “gerrymander” is one of our colonial neologisms.

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
8 years ago

@ Ohlmann re: the new Star Wars

Haven’t seen it but I have seen some fairly gushingly positive reactions to it from people I would expect to be quite disappointed if it hadn’t done at least passably well in that regard.

I remember seeing a comment on the Star Wars Facebook page on a picture of a female bounty hunter. It was a guy complaining that the character’s armor didn’t give any indication of its wearer’s gender. The response from the page was basically “that’s not why you wear armor, its custom made and does its job”. So I’m hopeful.

Falconer
8 years ago

@sevenofmine: I saw someone complaining that they couldn’t tell Captain Phasma was a woman (Gwendolyne Christie, no less!) because she was dressed in a chrome set of stormtrooper armor.

No doubt people will be disappointed that they can’t ogle Lupita Nyong’o because she’s playing some CGI alien via motion capture.

Chiomara
Chiomara
8 years ago

@Rosa

Public health does cover it, after you go through years of therapy. But you often have to wait a real long time for it, even decades.
You usually have to pay for it, as far as I know. You speak Portuguese normally, right? You should follow the Facebook profile of the trans activist Daniela Andrade. She is absolutely lovely and her page is very very informative. Read her old posts too. She really offers a detailed insiders perspective. She is trying to get the surgery herself.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Personal note: I just ate some chilis. One turned out to be about 100x more spicy than all the others. Panic ensued. Puddle of tears and snot on the floor. Life eventually saved through coating my tongue with home made almond butter.

TL;DR it was a slow day.

mockingbird
mockingbird
8 years ago

I’m inordinately looking forward to seeing Captain Phasma in action.

I’m almost annoyingly straight*, but Gwendoline Christie does something for me.

I did a quick search for a Phasma gif and found this:
http://fuckyeah-gwendolinechristie.tumblr.com/post/50907927547/kimithegreat-for-seriously-though-i-think

The comment (not mine) sums up my feelings pretty well.

I’m also usually cloyingly monogamous, but I think my husband doesn’t mind this crush.

* “Annoyingly” because I actually attracted a lot of lesbian attention while in college but always had to respond, “Flattered, but I like guys.”

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Also, was last night’s GOP debate the most trainwreck-y of all the trainwrecks so far? Winners maybe Christie, Cruz, Jeb. Did anyone say anything of substance in either the undercard debate or main event? I have attention span issues so maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear a proper answer to anything all night. What the hell are they going to do.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

@dhag85, the most memorable parts of it I recall (I only saw snips and ‘highlights’ because I can’t force myself to watch all of that clown show) were Trump saying he wanted to kill the families of terrorists in order to terrorize them into submission, and Cruz saying he wants to carpet bomb them until he can ‘see if he can make sand glow’, but that actually means ‘precision strikes against individuals and not innocents, no really.’ Rand Paul said the only likeable thing in the whole debate when he said (of Chris Christie, who wanted to shoot down Russians in Syria instead of trying out diplomacy), “If you’re looking forward to World War Three, here’s your candidate”.

Please, please, please, America. Get Bernie Sanders in there. Please.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 years ago

Phasma is a very minor character in the movie. She seem very likely to appear again in the 8 and 9, but she only have two appearence, both rather short (but characterful !).

Rey seem very interesting to me, because the movie avoid both casting her as an helpless distressed damsel, and casting her as the ultimate Mary Sue. I however disliked the love story part. Not by itself, but because the events unfold way too fast for any love story to not appear as some bullshit infatuation thingy similar to what I did when I was 15, except faster.

Also, I find the film intelligent in that, while it still exalt combat and blood, it do it while showing people breaking under war pressure in various way, and in general I had the feeling that all good people wanted to avoid combat as much as possible and all bad guys wanted to use a good war to set thing rights. That’s more than I can say about most super hero movies.

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
8 years ago

The new star wars: I was at the premiere here in my hometown and holy fuck, it’s awesome! I’m really impressed and am SO looking forward to the mangry tears and sad boners from the manuresphere! 😀

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Can we not do Star Wars spoilers here? I’m gonna go see it in a week or two. :/

Falconer
8 years ago

OH GOD I ALMOST SAW A SPOILER

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
8 years ago

Sorry, I intentionally wrote nothing specific about the content. But of course I won’t comment about the movie at all, if people here don’t want the topic to be discussed yet!

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Surprise, surprise . Shrkeli is a creep who hits on teen on girls too!
http://gawker.com/here-s-a-video-of-pharma-creep-martin-shkreli-flirting-1748338016

PinkiSyddyKitty
PinkiSyddyKitty
8 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger
December 16, 2015 at 5:34 pm

I guess that in their world men never require anti-depressants?

This isn’t even the first time I’ve seen anti-feminists ranting about women taking meds for mood disorders.

Apparently anti-depressants are bad. But feminism is bad because male suicide rates are bad. Since depression is one of the factors in suicides, you would think they wouldn’t be opposed to medications that alleviate symptoms of depression. But since feminists aren’t generally opposed to anti-depressants, than MRAs can’t be for them. But they still care about male suicide rates and male suicide rates are somehow feminisms fault. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes no sense to me, either. I guess they’re using the old “Women are hysterical and take Valium” canard.

Another contradictory thing is that they complain about how women are high-maintenance golddiggers who suck-up the men’s money….but these same guys argue against women getting a good-paying job which would alleviate that.

Then there’s the ol’ demanding that women be virginal yet if women were, these guys wouldn’t “score”. It’s hard for a guy to be “Mr. Sexy” if women aren’t “putting out”.

In a nutshell, I think this can be explained by these guys wanting women to just be slaves who ask nothing in return and that all sex is non-consensual on the woman’s part because “rape is manly” or something dumb like that.

I’d love to share these guy’s screeds to their Moms.

fridayjones
fridayjones
8 years ago

Darth Vader is Luke’s father. BLAM! Now you all got a taste of the Spoiler Puddin’!

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Please, please, please, America. Get Bernie Sanders in there. Please.

I’m sure as fuck gonna try!

As for Gerrymandering… *cracks knuckles* it should really be Gary meandering, pronunciation wise, but then, Ever-est should be E-ver-est… no point fighting that one! So then! The family owned (owns) this weird stretch of land surrounding a lake/pond in two or three counties — Delhi and Andes for sure, I can never remember the third, it doesn’t have a road entrance. It’s all fucking farmland up there, and, um, Elbridge senior? His father maybe? Redrew borders blah blah you know this part. The family’s money was race horses, the “kids” (who are my parents age) have fuck all interest in horses, the stables are basically empty now except a few boarders — one of them is on the board for US Steel though… and lawyers were nearly required to sort whether his 40 something year old brother could paint his room of the family mansion pink, but that’s irrelevant.

In short, their father was a lovely old man who always asked my aunt when I was coming to visit, his kids are assholes, and the property is fucking gorgeous and the redrawn maps almost make sense.

(My aunt works for the family, I spent a lot of time on that property as a kid!)

Tracy
Tracy
8 years ago

I haven’t read all the comments, I am just excited to see other people who appreciate Machiavelli. Sooooo excited! He’s so often misunderstood, IMHO. I am firmly in the ‘defensive irony’ camp.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Darth Vader is Luke’s father.

Also, Rosebud was his pod racer.