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The ongoing tragicomedy that is the Honey Badger Brigade’s Calgary Expo lawsuit continues to get even more tragicomical! Well, not so much the “tragic” bit, just that “comical” part.
The last time we checked in with the Brigade — that GamerGate-loving, feminist-hating gang of mostly lady YouTube blabbers — they had filed some sort of legal document charging the people in charge of the Calgary Expo with some kind of bad wrongness for tossing them out of the aforementioned Calgary Expo back in April.
They also charged The Mary Sue, a website in the United States that actually has no power over the staff of any expos in Calgary or indeed anywhere else in Canada, with somehow contributing to or causing the expulsion.
Well, The Mary Sue has responded to the Brigade’s legal filing, and the response is a doozy. Happily, the Honey Badgers have put it online for us all to enjoy.
The Mary Sue’s lawyer begins by pointing out that they are — ahem! — headquartered in New York, which is pretty clearly not located in Alberta, Canada, where the lawsuit was filed. (I am reliably informed that Canada is actually a whole other country from us.)
Then The Mary Sue’s lawyer gently reminded the court — and, more to the point, the Honey Badgers — that TIME MOVES FORWARD, not backwards, and that an article that appeared after the Honey Badgers were tossed from the Expo could not have caused them to be tossed from the Expo.
In regard to breach of contract, this claim is not just unfounded, but it is simply impossible based on the timeline of events. The Mary Sue could not have induced the Calgary Expo (“the Expo”) to evict Plaintiff because the aforementioned article was published after Plaintiff’s eviction.
Yep. Apparently the Honey Badger’s fancy disbarred lawyer got the dates mixed up. But hey, the law isn’t about these little details.
There’s more to The Mary Sue’s response, but that’s pretty much the best bit, in this Time-Space continuum at least.
Yesterday, Hannah Wallen of the Honey Badgers — she’s the one who isn’t Karen Straughan or Alison Tieman — posted their official response to the Mary Sue’s letter. It did not mention what we can only call the Honey Badger Time Paradox, but instead tried to distract readers with some new charges against the dastardly Mary Sue.
Mary Sue claims a lack of involvement in Calgary Expo’s choice to expel the Honey Badgers from the event. However, in response to questions on twitter following our expulsion, the expo’s staff referenced The Mary Sue’s article about the event.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
The Mary Sue’s prior and existing relationship with Calgary Expo is further demonstrated by an April 15th article promoting the Mary Sue sponsored cosplay contest which was to take place at the event.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
Mary Sue weekend editor Sam Maggs was the first person to respond to Britany le Blanc’s first tweet objecting to “MRAs in the audience” at the women into comics panel.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
Sorry, Ms. Wallen, but your little sleight of hand is no more effective than this dude’s not-quite-flawless disappearing act.
Just a reminder: the Honey Badgers raised more than $30,000 to cover the legal costs of their patently ludicrous lawsuit.
In my last post I noted that
MRAs and other antifeminists … have wasted literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on causes and projects and people that have pissed away their money without accomplishing anything of value … .
This would be one of those causes.
If you’ve got money burning a hole in your wallet, here’s a much better option:
@EJ (The Other One), Goebbels may be exempt because he wasn’t on the interwebs. I think we will need orange tango drinker, ultimate arbiter of things that are Good and things that are Not Good, to weigh in with a clarification.
Given the points made by Lemon Foxtrot Whiner so far, that does seem to be the only logical conclusion.
Any reason why you think that other than lower radio show frequency?
Maybe he’s a secret boss like Charlie from Charlie’s Angels?
On the Dr Pepper/Mr Pipp debate. I’m drinking a generic version called Diet Dr Chill. What does that make me?
An aberration to be purged, I think.
Personally, I can’t stand Dr. Pepper, but I don’t know Mr. Pibb. Is that a US thing that never made it up here? Are all American sodas men who prefer formal terms of address?
Only those two. They have other similarities
sure, its from about 3 minutes 40 seconds into the video to about 7 minutes 50 seconds
If I understand lemon fizzle Winkle’s mra mind what he is saying is that some point in the future Elam will dump the HBB and thus they never had any association with avfm. It helps if you think of time less of as a line and more as a box of ping pong balls thrown off a building.
Dishonesty. Lying about people.
1. Hello Irony. I thought I told you to lose my phone number; I’m not interested.
2. So, uh, are you talking about Elam, the HBBs, or literally every MRA in the history of ever?
I’ve had Dr. Pepper, Mr. Pibb, Dr. Thunder and Dr. Better. You can tell Dr. Better is made with real sugar but otherwise they’re all the same.
Every Dr. Pepper knock off tastes like Dr. Pepper. Anyone who says any differently? That’s just suggestion. Do a blind taste test and you will not be able to taste any difference.
*looks at quote, looks at article, looks at quote*
OTD is right.
Why yes, they do both do that!
nparker — I don’t know if the gas ever existed, but if it did, and the Doctor really did take all of it from UNIT, no way does it still exist. The real question is which Osgood is which?!?
@ Thankyou O Ranged Stinker
Oh, is this another one of those ‘differences’?
@ Bluecollarnerd
Haha, laughing a lot here- its the most common explanation of time travel in the whole of sci-fi!
‘Marty, whatever you do, make sure not to hit people below. The results could be disastrous!’
“Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff…”
I’m starting to wonder which Honey Badger Orange is dating.
So… AVFM are dishonest liars, but that doesn’t in any way reflect negatively on HBB, even though they’re all from AVFM. I guess the instant they’re no longer actively working with AVFM at that particular moment, their questionable judgment and ethics in choosing to work with such dishonest people are no longer relevant?
Yes it does reflect negatively on them, but they are a separate organisation still, that’s the point I was making, many people think they are part of AVFM and they are not. That was my point.
One more time, ad nauseam:
This is an assertion that Karen Straughan has made: that they all met on reddit and decided to work together, having all done previous similar work, and that they were therefore never members of AVFM. Straughan has supplied no supporting evidence, merely made the assertion.
You repeating the assertion endlessly is not the same as supplying supporting sources for it. Please do not do this. It’s getting ridiculous, which is why people are mocking you.
Can you provide any other sources, which are not from the Honey Badger Brigade or its members, which support the assertion that the members of HBB were never part of AVFM? If you dislike AVFM and don’t consider any of their membership trustworthy enough to be a source on the matter, then I can think of a particularly dashing journalist and cat-herder who keeps a blog on which he documents the antics of various manosphere groups. He might be of use to you here.
No, of course they were part of AVFM, what I meant is that the HBB is not an AVFM sub group and is a separate group
I feel that I’m missing some small but vital piece of your argument which will make it all make sense.
Let’s start at the beginning, with set theory:
– Is an organisation more than the sum of its members?
– Is there a difference between the Honey Badger Brigade and (Tieman, Straughan, Wallen)?
– If the three of them were replaced with new members and then formed a new group, Black Flag style, which would be the real Honey Badger Brigade?
yes
yes
I don’t know. Do you mean if they called their new group the honey badger brigade as well?
Have you ever listened to their shows? I suggest you give it a go, you might like it, you never know.
Wait, what — now it’s two days of this?
What have I wandered into!
*Laughing*
It’s like explaining something to a particularly ignorant brick wall.
(For those who are unaware, a little musical history:
From 1976 to 2003, the seminal punk band Black Flag went through a rapid turnover of members due to one thing and another, and changed its musical style considerably as a result.
In 2013 Keith Morris and Chuck Dukowski, who were founder members who had left during the band’s run, joined with another alumnus Bill Stephenson to reform the band. However, this was disputed by later members of the lineup, who felt that they had inherited the name as thus were the real Black Flag. This led to Morris and Dukowski touring as simply “Flag”, and the matter being dragged into a lawsuit because that’s what anarchists do once they get a little money.)
@orange tango drinker:
If I understand you correctly, you argue that there is an entity called “The Honey Badger Brigade” which exists separately from its members. This is a perfectly valid position to hold about political groups, but it’s different from the position held by many other people, hence the disagreement that appears to have accumulated in this thread. If I understand correctly, you would therefore agree with the following statements:
– If Straughan, Tieman and Wallen got together in a bar to have drinks and gripe about boys, that would not be considered to be a meeting of the Honey Badger Brigade.
– If the three of them were to, during that event, film something and upload it to Youtube, it should not be regarded as a Honey Badger Brigade production.
– If Tieman and Wallen left the Honey Badger Brigade and other people joined to replace them, and then a little while later Straughan left too, then the later members would own the Honey Badger Brigade name and Tieman, Wallen and Straughan should not use it to describe anything they do together after that.
– Anything that Tieman, Wallen and Straughan did together before the Honey Badger Radio began can’t be considered to be the work of the Honey Badger Brigade.
Is that a fair representation of your position?
Yes.
Have you ever checked out any of their shows?