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The ongoing tragicomedy that is the Honey Badger Brigade’s Calgary Expo lawsuit continues to get even more tragicomical! Well, not so much the “tragic” bit, just that “comical” part.
The last time we checked in with the Brigade — that GamerGate-loving, feminist-hating gang of mostly lady YouTube blabbers — they had filed some sort of legal document charging the people in charge of the Calgary Expo with some kind of bad wrongness for tossing them out of the aforementioned Calgary Expo back in April.
They also charged The Mary Sue, a website in the United States that actually has no power over the staff of any expos in Calgary or indeed anywhere else in Canada, with somehow contributing to or causing the expulsion.
Well, The Mary Sue has responded to the Brigade’s legal filing, and the response is a doozy. Happily, the Honey Badgers have put it online for us all to enjoy.
The Mary Sue’s lawyer begins by pointing out that they are — ahem! — headquartered in New York, which is pretty clearly not located in Alberta, Canada, where the lawsuit was filed. (I am reliably informed that Canada is actually a whole other country from us.)
Then The Mary Sue’s lawyer gently reminded the court — and, more to the point, the Honey Badgers — that TIME MOVES FORWARD, not backwards, and that an article that appeared after the Honey Badgers were tossed from the Expo could not have caused them to be tossed from the Expo.
In regard to breach of contract, this claim is not just unfounded, but it is simply impossible based on the timeline of events. The Mary Sue could not have induced the Calgary Expo (“the Expo”) to evict Plaintiff because the aforementioned article was published after Plaintiff’s eviction.
Yep. Apparently the Honey Badger’s fancy disbarred lawyer got the dates mixed up. But hey, the law isn’t about these little details.
There’s more to The Mary Sue’s response, but that’s pretty much the best bit, in this Time-Space continuum at least.
Yesterday, Hannah Wallen of the Honey Badgers — she’s the one who isn’t Karen Straughan or Alison Tieman — posted their official response to the Mary Sue’s letter. It did not mention what we can only call the Honey Badger Time Paradox, but instead tried to distract readers with some new charges against the dastardly Mary Sue.
Mary Sue claims a lack of involvement in Calgary Expo’s choice to expel the Honey Badgers from the event. However, in response to questions on twitter following our expulsion, the expo’s staff referenced The Mary Sue’s article about the event.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
The Mary Sue’s prior and existing relationship with Calgary Expo is further demonstrated by an April 15th article promoting the Mary Sue sponsored cosplay contest which was to take place at the event.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
Mary Sue weekend editor Sam Maggs was the first person to respond to Britany le Blanc’s first tweet objecting to “MRAs in the audience” at the women into comics panel.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
Sorry, Ms. Wallen, but your little sleight of hand is no more effective than this dude’s not-quite-flawless disappearing act.
Just a reminder: the Honey Badgers raised more than $30,000 to cover the legal costs of their patently ludicrous lawsuit.
In my last post I noted that
MRAs and other antifeminists … have wasted literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on causes and projects and people that have pissed away their money without accomplishing anything of value … .
This would be one of those causes.
If you’ve got money burning a hole in your wallet, here’s a much better option:
If I comment on AVfM, does that make me associated with AVfM? Are you an idiot?
@ dhag
Why, yes. Yes they are.
Why, another contradiction to add to the world of Orange Tango Drinker.
I did give an example. The shows. They do a show nearly everyday. They do other stuff as well but the live shows are their main thing. AVFM only do one live show a week, The Voice of Europe and that show isn’t a main thing that AVFM is known for.
This is… You’re seriously still on this? Wow.
Really? One does shows slightly more regularly than the other? Such a cop-out. You do realise that timetabling is not actually a meaningful ‘difference.’ Nice try though. Actually, no, it wasn’t.
@ Viscaria
Yep. About 3 pages in…
Commenting on this website = affiliated with this website
Having your name on the AVFM masthead = not affiliated with the website at all and how dare you suggest such a thing
Accuracy!
Never have I seen anyone be so persistent in arguing a point when they might be, at best, technically correct but substantively wrong. Never mind that the point they are belabouring is so absolutely inconsequential.
Like, OTD, not only are you wrong, but I don’t even care.
Edited for typo. Amazeballs. Loving the edit function so much.
I ran the strings “Honey Badger Brigade” and “A Voice for Men” through a similarity comparison test and the result was roughly 34% — almost the exact percentage of HBB founders that is still affiliated with AVFM. What could that mean? Is it just a coincidence??
Yes. It’s definitely a coincidence. But it makes about as much sense as what orange tango drinker has been saying.
“Your Honor, Respectable members of the Jury, I present to you the idea that HBB and AVfM are not related at all because HBB does more shows than AVfM! The difference is night and day!”
Holy shit, that’s a huge cop-out, and a stupidly funny bullshit answer. I was born at night, but I wasn’t born last night, bub.
We meant how are they different in terms of their ideology. Does HBB stand for anything different than AVfM? Does HBB cover issues that AVfM does not?
Pro tip: The answer is “no, no they don’t”. They both have the same nasty-as-hell ideology. And that ideology is that “women are terrible because we can’t be awful to them anymore”.
The only real difference I can see between the two is that HBB tends to also go for video game culture and the like, but they’re still spouting the same message in my neck of the woods, so this point’s pretty moot. They’re still flying the same banners and they have the same battle cry, so the location makes no difference.
As for the Margaret Pless issue: One, simply commenting on this site and having David give nods to relevant articles doesn’t make her associated with WHTM.
Two, even if it did, why is her making the “mistake” of
confusing one brand of tissue for anothersaying that the HBB and AVfM are related to one another suddenly our fucking problem?Three, why is this still such a fucking problem for you? What do you hope to gain from this pointless bullshit?
Finally, it’s time for my requisite comment on HBB articles: Hufflepuffs Against Honey Badgers!
Oh, yes, there’s a large difference between the Honey Badgers and AVfM, like Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper.
One has a radio show, one doesn’t, just like Mr. Pibb comes with extra cinnamon and Dr. Pepper does not.
I disagree. I think the honey badgers are a good group. Have you ever listened to their shows?
@Jackie:
That’s probably a misleading example, seeing as there’s a very important difference between those two: Mr Pibb isn’t flavoured with the filth scraped off Satan’s nutsack. But I take your point.
@orange tango drinker:
I’m bored of you now. You’ve defined your own terms in a circular fashion in order to prove yourself right. You’re absolutely determined to hammer a particular position regardless of what’s said, and are ignoring anything said to you on that matter. You’ve achieved epistemic closure. Well done. As a prize, please take this replica of Donald Trump’s toupee and go elsewhere with it.
Theeeeeere we go.
Do you feel that the association with AVfM makes the Honey Badgers look bad in some way that they don’t deserve? What aspect of AVfM philosophy, pray, would you rather not see the HBB branded with?
Tepid Demon Shrinker, please stop. You’re only embarrassing yourself.
No one can surely be as willingly ignorant as yourself, can they?
Ok I’ve made my point anyway, that they are two separate groups and not a subset of AVFM.
Here is a video of Alison making perfect sense
I can only think of three reasons why anyone would defend such an inconsequential (and dubious) point with such adamance:
-One of the groups is a huge liability and he wants plausible deniability. (An unlikely motivation because both groups are huge liabilities.)
-One of the groups is women and he wants to make it clear that they aren’t allowed in the treehouse.
-He wants to defend the groups in question, but has no actual point to make, so the best he can do is latch onto an irrelevant technicality.
AVFM is not a good group
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bpd.gif
Yeah, but, you know, HBB is still associated with them. It’s like a political leader being in the KKK. They KNOW the KKK is bad, they know many people hate the KKK and would get a wider audience if they didn’t let people know they were in the KKK, but, you know, their name and photo is still on the local KKK chapter’s website.
Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper are nothing alike. How do they differ, you ask? Well, you see, one is good and the other is bad. Does that answer your question? No? Well, that’s the best I can do. 🙁
Point MRAde by Orange Tang Drinker! Points only count if you ignore every challenge towards that point, right? Can’t have your point analysed, that would be ridiculous and…and… wouldn’t have accuracy!
This ishow you stick with a point, right?
Is this really happening right now?
So, to recap: HBB and AVfM are not exactly the same group. This is important, because HBB is good, and AVfM are bad. The only difference between the two is the frequency at which they release radio shows. Therefore… Bad people do fewer than one radio show a week. LOGICKED.
Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and Dr Paul Goebbels all do/did daily broadcasts though. Does that mean that they’re good?
I find this whole thing about whether HBB and AVfM are different groups a bit weird. It’s quite clear that now or in the very, very recent past there was an overlap between staffers/contributors of AVfM and HBB and it seems to me that there is still significant overlap in ideology if not podcast frequency (thanks Viscaria), but I’m ok with the idea they aren’t EXACTLY the same group.
Anyway, it inspired me to check out the Masthead and I suggest all of you do the same. It’s kinda funny. They have an unnamed Ombudsman.
The Ombudsman must either exist as dead-end email account for the much-to-complain-about on that site or as a wildly ineffective complaint-sorter-outer between contributors and Elam.
Orange. why aren’t you asking Elam to remove Karen and Alison from the AVFM masthead? Seems to me that is more likely to convince people that the two groups are still closely associated than anything said in these comments here.
Also, I will happily listen to the portion of that HBB video where they apparently say how they’re no longer associated with AVFM if you tell me where in the video it is. Life is too short to listen to 2 hours of HBB nonsense in search of a couple of quotes.