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The ongoing tragicomedy that is the Honey Badger Brigade’s Calgary Expo lawsuit continues to get even more tragicomical! Well, not so much the “tragic” bit, just that “comical” part.
The last time we checked in with the Brigade — that GamerGate-loving, feminist-hating gang of mostly lady YouTube blabbers — they had filed some sort of legal document charging the people in charge of the Calgary Expo with some kind of bad wrongness for tossing them out of the aforementioned Calgary Expo back in April.
They also charged The Mary Sue, a website in the United States that actually has no power over the staff of any expos in Calgary or indeed anywhere else in Canada, with somehow contributing to or causing the expulsion.
Well, The Mary Sue has responded to the Brigade’s legal filing, and the response is a doozy. Happily, the Honey Badgers have put it online for us all to enjoy.
The Mary Sue’s lawyer begins by pointing out that they are — ahem! — headquartered in New York, which is pretty clearly not located in Alberta, Canada, where the lawsuit was filed. (I am reliably informed that Canada is actually a whole other country from us.)
Then The Mary Sue’s lawyer gently reminded the court — and, more to the point, the Honey Badgers — that TIME MOVES FORWARD, not backwards, and that an article that appeared after the Honey Badgers were tossed from the Expo could not have caused them to be tossed from the Expo.
In regard to breach of contract, this claim is not just unfounded, but it is simply impossible based on the timeline of events. The Mary Sue could not have induced the Calgary Expo (“the Expo”) to evict Plaintiff because the aforementioned article was published after Plaintiff’s eviction.
Yep. Apparently the Honey Badger’s fancy disbarred lawyer got the dates mixed up. But hey, the law isn’t about these little details.
There’s more to The Mary Sue’s response, but that’s pretty much the best bit, in this Time-Space continuum at least.
Yesterday, Hannah Wallen of the Honey Badgers — she’s the one who isn’t Karen Straughan or Alison Tieman — posted their official response to the Mary Sue’s letter. It did not mention what we can only call the Honey Badger Time Paradox, but instead tried to distract readers with some new charges against the dastardly Mary Sue.
Mary Sue claims a lack of involvement in Calgary Expo’s choice to expel the Honey Badgers from the event. However, in response to questions on twitter following our expulsion, the expo’s staff referenced The Mary Sue’s article about the event.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
The Mary Sue’s prior and existing relationship with Calgary Expo is further demonstrated by an April 15th article promoting the Mary Sue sponsored cosplay contest which was to take place at the event.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
Mary Sue weekend editor Sam Maggs was the first person to respond to Britany le Blanc’s first tweet objecting to “MRAs in the audience” at the women into comics panel.
Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.
Sorry, Ms. Wallen, but your little sleight of hand is no more effective than this dude’s not-quite-flawless disappearing act.
Just a reminder: the Honey Badgers raised more than $30,000 to cover the legal costs of their patently ludicrous lawsuit.
In my last post I noted that
MRAs and other antifeminists … have wasted literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on causes and projects and people that have pissed away their money without accomplishing anything of value … .
This would be one of those causes.
If you’ve got money burning a hole in your wallet, here’s a much better option:
I am Australian, and that is bullshit.
Also, his use of a horrifyingly offensive gendered slur is not the only misogynistic thing in that hot mess.
Re: circumcision, rather tangentially: Orange, you basically said “I know I’d hate having it done to me because I’ve never had it done to me”. Now, there are certainly things that works for — I’d rather not lose a limb f’ex… but they aren’t things that make the vast majority of people who have had it done go “meh, whatever”.
Because that was convoluted — I’ve got a few holes in my ears, the largest gauged to 2g, I can find my pinkie finger tip in there. It feels weird, and grosses people out. Now, you could claim that you’d hate having your ears like this, which you know because your ears are intact in their natural state. Problem is that I know of exactly zero people who’ve gauged their ears and found that feeling terrible, so people who’ve done it, by and large, don’t mind or like it.
Now, body modding is a thing older teens and adults do to themselves, so the consent issue isn’t there, but the general “I know I’d hate it because it wasn’t done to me”? Nope, logical fallacy alert!
Also Australian. Sure, in some states, it’s not quite as bad as it is in the US, but “Not quite as bad” still means “Very, very bad,” and in the other states, it is just as bad.
Gosh darn you, Rabid Rabbit. Gosh darn you straight to heck.
In other things! Who wants animal updates? No? Too bad.
The cats are tolerating each other as long as they can’t see each other, and even then we’ve had one case of them being in each other’s sight without reaction, but that was from a good 5’+ apart. The dumb remains dumb…I’m so leaving that Freudian slip! The dog, who is very dumb, has taken to sniffing only, curiosity is acceptable, I’m not expecting disinterest yet, non-aggression works! I had my Cali kitty in my arms while he was trapped by a chair (he could easily walk away, just not get into the basement)…he just whined a bit until she saw him, hissed once and we did that human drop to floor while cat jumps move, then he tried to chase but yeah, chair in the way.
All total I’m gonna start just leaving the door open with the gate up so the feline ladies can sniff and stare and probably hiss, without actually being able to get to each other; and the chair there to prevent dumbass from getting involved.
Also, my brother signed his kitty up for a meow box months ago, this month had a coupon from nail trimmers — http://www.zenclipper.com code mbox. I just ordered them today, so I can’t say whether their all they’re made out to be, but yeah, if interested, enjoy the coupon. Hopefully I will soon be able to pet my kitty without being stabbed by her pointy bits!
@SFHC
::waves:: I have a vague idea that you’re in Melbourne, a place I escaped at 9am this morning when it was already 34 degrees. Hope you manage to stay cool this weekend!
Lurker, not stalker. Swear.
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@orange tango drinker
You owe me 8 minutes and 53 seconds. That’s how long it took for me to watch a long, rambling video from a dad who got help from the MRM in dealing with CPS. This video does nothingnothingnothingnothingnothing! to disprove anything negative feminists say about the MRM.
You owe me and you’ll never pay up.
why not? He won full custody of his son.
…. And that proves what, exactly?
that the MRM was worthwhile and beneficial to him
Which does nothing to show that it is not misogynistic, which if you’ll recall, is the actual topic of this extraordinarily frustrating “discussion”.
@Moocow
So sorry that happened to you. Bullies are the worst.
Just wanted to drop in and say that. I’m not in the mood to engage with HBB crier, there. And I’m certainly not going to watch a pointless video by rambling asshats.
Not that I think it would mess up my Youtube recommendations, since even watching a feminist video will result in Youtube recommending me Thunderf00t and other antifeminists. Seriously, my Youtube recommendations are all over the place.
@WWTH:
I acknowledge that I have enormous privilege and part of that is that I can take offensive opinions impersonally; this means that when situations occur where being nice to people with mean opinions is called for, I’m very happy to do the work and wouldn’t expect you to do the same.
I have an enormous amount of respect for you and your ability to snark, and so I’m very happy to leave the snarking – especially against female-identifying people – to you.
I’ve told you my theory of internet passion plays, haven’t I?
@Argenti:
Fingers crossed for the lady cats to get on!
Can’t speak to Australia, having never been there, but the C-word definitely has less horrible-ness in the UK than it has in the US and I would react differently to it coming out of American mouth to a British one. But it’s still definitely a very bad word. My understanding is that it has a roughly equivalent value of offensiveness in the UK and Australia, but interesting that even in Australia it has varying levels of perceived horribleness across regions.
Also @orange tango drinker – just a minor point – but there are a lot of people, myself included who VASTLY prefer to consume information via the written word over videos. I won’t be checking out any videos because I really can’t bear it, but I’m happy (well, maybe not happy if it’s MRM stuff) to read bits and pieces.
you asked for an example of an MRA talking about fathers rights without women blaming
Okay, I don’t read any MRA stuff. I just like the HBB shows and a few other MRA youtubers
Well, lest I be accused of shifting goalposts I will concede your point. I expressed my standard of evidence poorly, but you delivered.
However, I remain unconvinced. A much more convincing video would have talked about fathers’ rights in the abstract, identifying what the MRM sees as the major problems here and impediments to men getting custody, rather than one dude’s personal story. I want to hear them telling me their beef, as a movement, without blaming the evil wimminz or feminazis.
@rubyyogi
Yeah, it varies a lot, tbh. I have female friends who use it, and even dropped the odd c-bomb in my younger, less feminist, years. Young Aussie dudes use it A LOT and very often as a term of affection. But even though it’s much more culturally accepted here than in the States, it’s still a gendered slur that I find offensive. And the whole ‘joke’ of those posters hinged on it being a synonym for vagina, so the ‘alternate usage’ theory holds precisely zero water.
Ok fair enough, I don’t have an example.
Ok, cool, I guess we’ll leave it there. My mind remains unblown, but I can’t say I’m all that surprised. If you ever do find an example, OTD, definitely drop by and let us know. It’s been a long-standing request of the commentariat here, I gather.
@orange tango drinker:
Apologies for the thread suddenly getting more hostile – it felt like we had talked our way into an agreement and then it blew up.
If I may ask, what was the impetus in your own life that made you connect with the MRM? Looking back, which concerns do you feel you had which they answered? Can you think of a specific concern which you had which made you feel strongly about the matter? You’ve mentioned circumcision; is that an especially strong personal matter for you?
@Kahlo
*waves back* Queensland, actually. ^^; It’s actually quite cool here today, although bleedin’ humid (I know, “Humid in Queensland,” might as well say “Round circle” or “Fuckwitted MRA”). Bloody hell, though, 34 in Melbourne of all places? Hope you can keep cool too!
Ok i will, I don’t watch a lot of MRA stuff apart from the HBB shows though. Mostly just the HBB shows and a few youtubers