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Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, one thoughtful and considerate MRA has decided to do the women of the world a giant favor — warning them of the sneaky ways that feminism will actually end up harming them!
Mostly by making them such terrible people that no man will ever want them.
Here are bullet points 4 through 7 in mikesteane’s list of Ten Ways Feminism Has Harmed Women, a post so important that the r/MensRights mods have stickied it to the top of their front page.
4. Very many women can no longer find husbands because the western men can see that feminist laws and applications have made marriage a bad deal for men.
5. Many others cannot find husbands because the toxic views feminism has led them to has made them unmarriageable.
6. Still others cannot get married because the sexual liberation ideas pushed by feminism has led them to ride the carousel until their market values have fallen off a precipice.
7. Then there are those who, believing that being rude and bossy indicates strength and independence, in keeping with feminist polemic, have destroyed their own relationships, including marriages.
Not only that, but feminism will make women so rude and uppity that they will end up annoying each other with their uppity rudeness:
9. The ignorant rudeness that women are commonly taught is empowerment rebounds when they find themselves forming groups with other ignorant rude women.
Also, ladies, now you have to work outside of the home. Did you know that? Ha ha.
But nobody will hire you because you have some dumb non-STEM college degree instead of a PhD in Sitting on Your Ass at Work Posting Dumb Lists to the Men’s Rights Subreddit When You Should Be Working on a Computer Program or Something.
CHECKMATE FEMINISM!
MRAs don’t seem to comprehend that the fact they like women to look, think, behave, etc.. in a certain way and think that feminism is counter to that and makes women ‘unmarriageable’… doesn’t mean all or most men feel the same way.
Like not only are their attitudes towards women abhorrent, but they can’t seem to grok the fact that not all men share in the same contempt. Feminism would not make women unmarriageable unless all ~3.5 billion men in the world suddenly became MRAs.
Nor do they seem to grok that to any feminist woman, MRAs are just as unmarriageable to them. It’s like ‘warning’ the Federation that the Ferengi won’t start dating your women unless they start walking around naked.
@Argenti
I wonder if they have Gokkun on their list, and, if so, where it places.
I’m not going to go check because I’m afraid of that website now, after David’s report on the people that go there. 😀
This Handle is a Test
Are you sure you can speak for all men (well, you excluded ones with a specific kink but meh)?
Do you think skills equals some weird tricks or moves? I’m just asking because I’ve met so many men who think that. I’d like to point out that for example for me just learning to enjoy myself was a skill. And it wasn’t acquired by eating popcorn and watching cartoons.
Speaking of finding feminists “unmarriageable”: A few of the feminist OkCupid blogs I follow on tumblr are having a go at a gross-ass English PUA who goes by the name “LordofWomenJohn”.
Here’s some examples of his bullshit (Trigger warnings in place for just general PUA creepy bullshit, slurs, and threats):
“You’re not rejecting me, I’m rejecting YOU. If I wanted you, you’d be mine.”
“Women expect too much of men, so I’m just trying to help them because you won’t date an ugly janitor in debt because you’re SHALLOW!”
“You’ll drink what I tell you c*unt.” (Warning, it gets even more disturbing in two messages.)
Calling his own mother a “wh*re mongering c*nt of a woman”.
And he’s got his own tag on tumblr called #whinylordjohnny.
He’s apparently getting banned left, right, and center thanks to these girls, and having to create new accounts. And, of course, it’s all because feminists are “wielding [their] tumblr like Hitler wielded the Gestapo”, and not because he’s a seething bag of pus.
So, if you’re on OkCupid, be safe and avoid this douchebag like the plague.
Oh, and before I forget: He’s apparently trying to sic his “students” on other people as well.
So, bonus check for hypocrisy!
Frank Torpedo — you don’t actually have to interact with anyone, but I do think you have to be registered to go searching. They try to keep the creep factor down but when you have a self-policing community that exists to talk sex, there’s gonna be creeps.
It should go without saying that anything past the login screen is NSFW!
Pandapool — this is pure anecdotal evidence here, but ime the ratio of giving and receiving to only giving is something like 5:1. And from discussion, most of the cis men willing to perform oral on clitoris and surrounding parts actually enjoyed doing so. A little glimmer of hope for humanity there eh? (On the flip side, penis havers, please watch what you eat if you want your partner to swallow)
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/poa.gif
It must be amazing to have such an inflated ego that four of the ten worst things you can imagine happening to another person are “not getting to marry me.” Oh, dudes. You are such dudes sometimes.
But I’m happily married to a hot feminist guy, work a rewarding job in my non-STEM major, and have spent years honing my rudeness and bossiness to maximum effect, so I’m generally immune to these little boys and their threats to take their balls and go home.
This blog is very educational. Thank you.
Well, I have a STEM degree and a pseudo-STEM masters. I also had a husband who went all paleo-Con and MRA on me and became abusive – for a variety of reasons, but partly as a direct result of MRA-dom.
MRA appealed to him because he IS a selfish prick and it gave him ‘rules’ to live by, which meant he didn’t have to think about what it means to be a good father and husband. He was fine with feminism when it meant me supporting him through his PhD or period of unemployment.
What this bloke means by rudeness is simply women setting boundaries. Something I didn’t always do so well (I was a bit of boiled frog when it came to my growing husband’s MRA-ness.) While I value politeness and personal tolerance very highly, I think there are too many times that people (and perhaps women in particular) go along to get along until those boundaries are violated very thoroughly and people get a bit brusque. This can sometimes appear rude if you don’t take all previous trespassing and subtle warnings into account. And given the fact these guys just don’t listen to women, this may be a common occurrence for them.
I doubt it’s very difficult to be “rude” to someone with so much entitlement. I mean, when cat calling was the topic of the day on a feminist page, the amount of men who showed up to complain about rude women was astronomical. Rude how? “Why can’t you smile?” “Why can’t you take a compliment?” “Why do you ignore?”
Apparently not smiling on command is rude. Shouting orders and unwanted sexual comments however is just a way to “meet people”.
Waeeh! The justice system recognizes martial rape as rape!
Waeeh! Women have some standards and are allowed to say no!
Waeeh! If they have any sexual experience they will realize that I am crap in bed!
Waeeh! Feminists know they don’t have to be polite when we are alone, and some dare to be impolite when I am being a creep in public!
Waeeh! Women talk amongst themselves, probably about us. Quick say something to make them stop sharing experiences. Oh! Women will annoy one another . There! Perfect. Logic. Reason.
That is what I read it as.
I can’t tell if you called WWTH stupid, if you called people who like MILF porn stupid, or if your post’s total mangling just paired this with the wrong quote. I hope it’s the latter.
Thank you for sharing, rugbyyogi.
He is right, you know… It IS more difficult to find a partner, especially male, once you realize you are not a thing.
But guess what, it’s still better than being a thing!
I feel like my opinions on this post are best expressed as a Christmas Carol:
On the 13th day of Chrismas, the Dark Lord gave to us,
a bucket full of male tears.
I am sorry, Rugby. Hope you are alright now.
Okay, most of this points are ridiculous, but what is wrong with point number 4? If divorce courts disfavor men, then that obviously harms the institution of marriage.
@Moocow
Twelve douchelords whining, eleven Katies mocking, ten MGTOWs projecting, nine grapes a-souring, eight maids a-STEMming, seven movies ruined, six alphas negging,
Fiiiive liquid gold…..
Four catcallings, three mansplains, two biotruths,
And a teal deer in a troll post.
Thank you. It was time I got Spader-Man out of my head and a more seasonal mammoth song in.
I love that these guys still believe that the ultimate terror for all women is the suggestion they won’t be able to snag a man.
I find it odd that while this is allegedly a super important post for men everywhere, it appears to have been written by a grammar school dropout. And this is not a unique thing: nobody in the MRM seems to be able to communicate effectively. I assume this is because they’very collectively decided that communication is for “sissy boys” or whatever, but when they then turn around and attempt to cajole and coax people to adopt their worldview, the effort undermines their ideological assertion that communicating is feminine. Communicating is human. These guys are crappy at communicating so they are sorta doomed.
@DS:
They’re writing for the in-group. It’s an effective form of communication for people who already understand the cognitive shortcuts embodied within the language, but is a terrible way to persuade outsiders. Groups obsessed with ideological purity or who have siege mentalities tend to make that mistake.
Any group which writes its recruiting material in that way is, as you say, sorta doomed.
@weirwoodtreehugger
“citation needed”
[Meet the men giving up on women](http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/article1629220.ece)-this was the cover story on the Sunday Times which is hardly an MRA publication
I disagree with number 6 however
How DARE ladies do things that this guy doesn’t like. Don’t they know that they’re ruining any chance that he will descent from on high and throw them a pity date?
UGH!