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Concerned MRA warns women that feminism will ruin their lives by making them bitchy

Just so you know, ladies!
Just so you know, ladies!

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Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, one thoughtful and considerate MRA has decided to do the women of the world a giant favor — warning them of the sneaky ways that feminism will actually end up harming them! 

Mostly by making them such terrible people that no man will ever want them.

Here are bullet points 4 through 7 in mikesteane’s list of Ten Ways Feminism Has Harmed Women, a post so important that the r/MensRights mods have stickied it to the top of their front page.

4. Very many women can no longer find husbands because the western men can see that feminist laws and applications have made marriage a bad deal for men.
5. Many others cannot find husbands because the toxic views feminism has led them to has made them unmarriageable.
6. Still others cannot get married because the sexual liberation ideas pushed by feminism has led them to ride the carousel until their market values have fallen off a precipice.
7. Then there are those who, believing that being rude and bossy indicates strength and independence, in keeping with feminist polemic, have destroyed their own relationships, including marriages.

Not only that, but feminism will make women so rude and uppity that they will end up annoying each other with their uppity rudeness:

9. The ignorant rudeness that women are commonly taught is empowerment rebounds when they find themselves forming groups with other ignorant rude women.

Also, ladies, now you have to work outside of the home. Did you know that? Ha ha.

But nobody will hire you because you have some dumb non-STEM college degree instead of a PhD in Sitting on Your Ass at Work Posting Dumb Lists to the Men’s Rights Subreddit When You Should Be Working on a Computer Program or Something.

CHECKMATE FEMINISM!

H/T — r/AgainstMensRights

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magnesium
magnesium
5 years ago

Man, I’ve been a feminist for years, and I still haven’t been able to ditch all the mens and get an invite into the feminist harpy commune. I must be doing it wrong.

a PhD in Sitting on Your Ass at Work Posting Dumb Lists to the Men’s Rights Subreddit When You Should Be Working on a Computer Program or Something

I had a former co-worker like this. Don’t know if he’s an MRA, but he’s a gater and I heard he once posted a GWW video to a work chat (they have an in-office IM program for teams to chat on). His supervisor, a friend of mine, tried to gently get him to stop surfing reddit during work hours and do some work, so dude announced he was going to file a complaint with HR that he was “being attacked for [his] browsing”.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
5 years ago

They don’t mention bon-bons even once! I demand my bon-bons!

Flora
Flora
5 years ago

I’ll be sure to inform my husband…

Bina
5 years ago

Very many women can no longer find husbands because the western men can see that feminist laws and applications have made marriage a bad deal for men.

Actually, it’s more like this: The laws are not feminist at all, so we can’t rely on them to help us very much. Feminism, luckily, has taught us what a bad man looks like, and what a bad deal certain guys (like this one!) are for us, so we can avoid marrying them. If that means we have to look a bit longer and harder to find Mr. Right, well, so be it. (Also, some of us are gay, so it’s Ms. Right for them.)

Many others cannot find husbands because the toxic views feminism has led them to has made them unmarriageable.

See above. It’s this dude who’s toxic and unmarriageable. Women are fleeing him in droves because he’s an asshole. And feminism just opened their eyes to that fact.

Still others cannot get married because the sexual liberation ideas pushed by feminism has led them to ride the carousel until their market values have fallen off a precipice.

First off, “sexual market value” is a myth. There is no sex market, outside of maybe brothels and red-light districts. If you’re thinking of it as a commodity you can buy, or her as being for sale, ur doin it rong.

Secondly: what’s so bad about sexually experienced women? It’s not like they become worse for it; only more knowledgeable. And often, a lot more fun, and more likely to want a guy who’s fun too.

Maybe that’s what’s bugging him? He doesn’t want a woman with knowledge and a basis for comparison, because then she’d see what a sack of shit he is?

Then there are those who, believing that being rude and bossy indicates strength and independence, in keeping with feminist polemic, have destroyed their own relationships, including marriages.

Actually, if those relationships were based on false (patriarchal) premises to begin with, they were begging to be destroyed. Otherwise, it’s the woman who gets destroyed in them. Dude, why U no want women to be whole people?

And what’s with calling women “rude and bossy” for having standards and expectations of their own? Dude, you’ll never get a wife with THAT attitude!

(And on the off chance that you do, she’ll probably leave you when she realizes that you’re a gaslighting weirdbeard.)

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

He seems pretty obsessed with marriage. The thought of getting married just isn’t even on my radar. I have 2 amazing sons, a job I adore, my own place. I love that feminism has empowered me to not be dependent on someone else. Not that I think people shouldn’t have the option to stay home with kids but there are not enough imaginary bon bons in the world to make that attractive to me.

And thanks to enjoying single life, when I do eventually meet someone who makes commitment seem attractive, that person will be extremely special and is more likely to be right for me. Which I think is this guy’s real problem with feminism, it gives us options and standards which he doesn’t want to have to try to meet.

dreemr
dreemr
5 years ago

I don’t comment often, but as soon as I saw that list I knew I wanted to – but NicolaLuna said exactly what I wanted to say!

Thanks to feminism, I do not feel that I HAVE to be married. I have other options that enable me to still have a rewarding life and lifestyle, and none of them involve scrubbing skidmarks out of some dude’s tighty-whiteys.

I am not married, yet I have a job I enjoy, friends, a wonderful child, I own my own home. I have my own car (late-model, even!) AND a dog! AND a cat! I don’t knit but I do enjoy crocheting.

I’ve been married. It has it’s benefits. But I am very very content being single.

Also, I don’t know where he gets his information, but I have still received proposals, even at my advanced age (50+) and even though I have had far, far more than 3 partners for sexy-times.

Basically his list is just a riff on their usual “SOMEDAY THEY’LL ALL BE SORRY!!” fantasy.

Jo
Jo
5 years ago

I thought the ‘carousel’ was such a transparently bigoted concept that it was only used in RedPill(ock) circles and disdained by /r/mensrights types, who like to see themselves as rational egalitarian intellectuals. Seems it’s acceptable there after all if that post was stickied.

Talking about the ‘carousel’ so clearly signals a desire to police female sexuality that they might as well just start spewing Rooshian outrage-bait. Any pretence is over.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

And, once again, the MRM does our advertising for us!

“Wimmens, don’t become a feminist! Because then I won’t want to fuck you because you’ll be empowered and shit, and no real man (by my own standards, of course) can get a boner if you’re busy being, you know, human!”

myriad
myriad
5 years ago

It is really cute when these guys try to convince us that we don’t want to be feminist.

When I was in my late teens-early 20’s, I was a very angry person. It wasn’t until a friend of mine introduced me to feminist thought that I then had the vocabulary to explore where my anger was coming from and the tools to then analyze the possible solutions that I was able to become a considerably calmer and more grounded person. Plus, I’ve been married for 27 years and raised 3 sons, so my feminism didn’t keep me from finding anything.

This is why I think most of these guys are teenagers. They just don’t seem to have a clue as to how things work in the real world.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

So basically he’s saying, feminism is bad for women because no man will want you!

It’s a popular threat with them. Characteristically they haven’t noticed that it’s

1) About two hundred years out of date (people have been using that cliche on uppity women since forever)

2) Inaccurate (there are lots of happily married feminists)

3) Not much of a threat after all (single women do just fine, thanks. Better than single men, by most measures)

4) Seriously, son, when you and guys like you say *you* don’t want to marry feminists, that’s a feature. Not a bug. A feature.

(I won’t bother to point out the heteronormativity because they’re redpillers, ho hum.)

hippielady
hippielady
5 years ago

5. Many others cannot find husbands because the toxic views feminism has led them to has made them unmarriageable.

Hmm. I’ll have to tell Hubby. Of course feminism is what made him #2–#1 decided to go all conservative Christian on me.

Flora
Flora
5 years ago

This is why I think most of these guys are teenagers. They just don’t seem to have a clue as to how things work in the real world.

This may be, but in meatspace all of the MRAs and MRA-adjacents I’ve had the misfortune of meeting are adults, most of them divorced. I can’t imagine why. *eyeroll*

erica, ascendant
5 years ago

So lemme get this straight: I’m supposed to believe that someone who works for my subjugation and for my having fewer rights has my best interest in mind?

This is basically a creeper telling you to smile in internet form. Except it’s “smile, and don’t work for equality.”

dreemr
dreemr
5 years ago

@myriad and Flora – I usually tend to think they are teenagers, too, although I think that is more because of the unbelievable immaturity they show.

I really don’t know how the MRA demographics break down, but I feel certain there are probably a much wider range of ages than I like to believe.

Judas Peckerwood
Judas Peckerwood
5 years ago

I think that most non-feminist women would be tempted to publicly proclaim themselves feminists just to keep these MRA losers away.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Feminism will make me unattractive and unmarriageable to sexist guys?

Where is the downside? Riddle me that, Mr. Manospherian.

I’ve seen plenty of women in marriages to jerks. I especially saw this when I was a child and feminism was less of a thing. Happy marriages seemed to me to be quite rare. Women were seriously devalued all the time. It was frightening.

Why in the name of Katie would I want that?

And I’ve got to add this to any feminist who is thinking, Whew! I’m safe from those jerks. It’s just not true! I don’t think my feminism scared off one jerk. So please be cautious. Some MRAs would never in a million years call themselves MRAs. It doesn’t mean that they aren’t MRAs. Not every guy with ill intentions identifies with a stinkin’ acronym. Some of them see themselves as politically progressive, peaceful feminists. Ha ha ha ha ha!

myriad
myriad
5 years ago

This may be, but in meatspace all of the MRAs and MRA-adjacents I’ve had the misfortune of meeting are adults, most of them divorced. I can’t imagine why. *eyeroll*

A lot of the MRA talking points are stereotypes that misogynists have used against women for centuries, so yes men of varying ages will also believe theses things. What I was referring to is most of the loudest on line seem to be teenagers (maybe I should have been more specific in my post).

Yes, I can’t imagine either why the are divorced. They’re nice guys after all. 😉

@dreemr

True, very true.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
5 years ago

Ha! My introduction to feminist spaces happened years ago, when a sad, angry troll kept spewing “thoughts” exactly like this on a daily basis at a forum I used to chat on. It opened my eyes to the online presence of misogyny (this was way, waaaayyyy before twitter or facebook even existed). I mean, I was a feminist already, I was just so young that I called it ‘egalitarianism’ (again, waaaayyyy long ago in the way back when). I was also so young I couldn’t buy my own booze so there was no way to numb the pain of discovering so much oozing puss in humanity.

Lists like this do very little to repel women from feminism, but I bet the list maker felt a release of anger with such much projection and did a wee self-satisfied *oh snap* after posting it. Behold, my fellow intellectuals, I have maked The List.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

4. Very many women can no longer find husbands because the western men can see that feminist laws and applications have made marriage a bad deal for men.

Citation needed.

5. Many others cannot find husbands because the toxic views feminism has led them to has made them unmarriageable.

Citation needed

6. Still others cannot get married because the sexual liberation ideas pushed by feminism has led them to ride the carousel until their market values have fallen off a precipice.

This is not a thing. Most people don’t think of others in terms of “SMV.” And considering that there are dating sites out there that exclusively cater to people who are 50+, if there was such a thing as SMV than there clearly is a market for women over 50 who most likely going to be sexually experienced and probably divorced or widowed with kids. Also MILF porn is one of the most popular categories.

9. The ignorant rudeness that women are commonly taught is empowerment rebounds when they find themselves forming groups with other ignorant rude women.

Why is that I suspect “ignorant rudeness” means that women have the right to say no to sex despite the fact that above he was just whining about women saying yes to sex? Once again these entitled asshats just think that all women they desire should have to say no to every other man but them.

This Handle is a Test
This Handle is a Test
5 years ago

>>Secondly: what’s so bad about sexually experienced women? It’s not like they become worse for it; only more knowledgeable. And often, a lot more fun, and more likely to want a guy who’s fun too. <>Also MILF porn is one of the most popular categories.<<

Really? I always thought that people who bought into that nonsense were, to put it politely, not very bright. Then again, I have no way of knowing, nor desire to find out, what's popular in porn.

This Handle is a Test
This Handle is a Test
5 years ago

*ARGH* the internet ate the first part of my comment!

What I was going was this at the beginning:

>>Secondly: what’s so bad about sexually experienced women? It’s not like they become worse for it; only more knowledgeable. And often, a lot more fun, and more likely to want a guy who’s fun too. <<

This isn't a bad thing but I'll point out that, as a guy, unless someone has a particular kink, the man doesn't particularly get more out of the act if the woman has experience past a certain point (experience to the point of not being afraid, which is a relatively small amount? Good. Experience past that point? Not a negative, as long as everyone takes STD prevention/has test, but not really adding all that much either).

Having said that, feminism has been incredibly beneficial to the world as everyone deserves the opportunity that their skills provide them and the inherent dignity and respect that all human being should have. To slightly alter a quote from The Sandman "people belong to no one, except perhaps to themselves" (this would be from The Dollhouse graphic novel).

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Random hilarious fact? I poked into fetlife’s fetish finder thing, and it’s “most popular”…want to guess? Anyone?

Oral sex.

I don’t recall MILF making the top page, but I was too gobsmacked by that really. But yeah, that’s definitely one skill that gets better with practice.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

This handle is a test,
There is a big difference in the lay I am today vs the lay I was in my 20s. Just because you aren’t aware of a difference does not mean there isn’t one.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
5 years ago

I fully expected this list to end with, “So don’t leave, Suzy! You’ll never find another man if you don’t accept my domineering, hostile, entitled ways! Put the suitcase down for your own good! Nooooo don’t goooooooo!!!!!!!”

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

Random hilarious fact? I poked into fetlife’s fetish finder thing, and it’s “most popular”…want to guess? Anyone?

Oral sex.

The question is is this more popular among people with penises or vaginas? I hope it’s pretty even. ,’:3<

Chaltab
Chaltab
5 years ago

MRAs don’t seem to comprehend that the fact they like women to look, think, behave, etc.. in a certain way and think that feminism is counter to that and makes women ‘unmarriageable’… doesn’t mean all or most men feel the same way.

Like not only are their attitudes towards women abhorrent, but they can’t seem to grok the fact that not all men share in the same contempt. Feminism would not make women unmarriageable unless all ~3.5 billion men in the world suddenly became MRAs.

Nor do they seem to grok that to any feminist woman, MRAs are just as unmarriageable to them. It’s like ‘warning’ the Federation that the Ferengi won’t start dating your women unless they start walking around naked.

Frank Torpedo
5 years ago

@Argenti

I wonder if they have Gokkun on their list, and, if so, where it places.

I’m not going to go check because I’m afraid of that website now, after David’s report on the people that go there. 😀

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
5 years ago

This Handle is a Test

Are you sure you can speak for all men (well, you excluded ones with a specific kink but meh)?

Do you think skills equals some weird tricks or moves? I’m just asking because I’ve met so many men who think that. I’d like to point out that for example for me just learning to enjoy myself was a skill. And it wasn’t acquired by eating popcorn and watching cartoons.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Speaking of finding feminists “unmarriageable”: A few of the feminist OkCupid blogs I follow on tumblr are having a go at a gross-ass English PUA who goes by the name “LordofWomenJohn”.

Here’s some examples of his bullshit (Trigger warnings in place for just general PUA creepy bullshit, slurs, and threats):

“You’re not rejecting me, I’m rejecting YOU. If I wanted you, you’d be mine.”

“Women expect too much of men, so I’m just trying to help them because you won’t date an ugly janitor in debt because you’re SHALLOW!”

“You’ll drink what I tell you c*unt.” (Warning, it gets even more disturbing in two messages.)

Calling his own mother a “wh*re mongering c*nt of a woman”.

And he’s got his own tag on tumblr called #whinylordjohnny.

He’s apparently getting banned left, right, and center thanks to these girls, and having to create new accounts. And, of course, it’s all because feminists are “wielding [their] tumblr like Hitler wielded the Gestapo”, and not because he’s a seething bag of pus.

So, if you’re on OkCupid, be safe and avoid this douchebag like the plague.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Oh, and before I forget: He’s apparently trying to sic his “students” on other people as well.

So, bonus check for hypocrisy!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Frank Torpedo — you don’t actually have to interact with anyone, but I do think you have to be registered to go searching. They try to keep the creep factor down but when you have a self-policing community that exists to talk sex, there’s gonna be creeps.

It should go without saying that anything past the login screen is NSFW!

Pandapool — this is pure anecdotal evidence here, but ime the ratio of giving and receiving to only giving is something like 5:1. And from discussion, most of the cis men willing to perform oral on clitoris and surrounding parts actually enjoyed doing so. A little glimmer of hope for humanity there eh? (On the flip side, penis havers, please watch what you eat if you want your partner to swallow)

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
5 years ago

this is pure anecdotal evidence here, but ime the ratio of giving and receiving to only giving is something like 5:1. And from discussion, most of the cis men willing to perform oral on clitoris and surrounding parts actually enjoyed doing so.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/poa.gif

Shaenon
5 years ago

It must be amazing to have such an inflated ego that four of the ten worst things you can imagine happening to another person are “not getting to marry me.” Oh, dudes. You are such dudes sometimes.

But I’m happily married to a hot feminist guy, work a rewarding job in my non-STEM major, and have spent years honing my rudeness and bossiness to maximum effect, so I’m generally immune to these little boys and their threats to take their balls and go home.

Mono
Mono
5 years ago

This blog is very educational. Thank you.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
5 years ago

Well, I have a STEM degree and a pseudo-STEM masters. I also had a husband who went all paleo-Con and MRA on me and became abusive – for a variety of reasons, but partly as a direct result of MRA-dom.

MRA appealed to him because he IS a selfish prick and it gave him ‘rules’ to live by, which meant he didn’t have to think about what it means to be a good father and husband. He was fine with feminism when it meant me supporting him through his PhD or period of unemployment.

What this bloke means by rudeness is simply women setting boundaries. Something I didn’t always do so well (I was a bit of boiled frog when it came to my growing husband’s MRA-ness.) While I value politeness and personal tolerance very highly, I think there are too many times that people (and perhaps women in particular) go along to get along until those boundaries are violated very thoroughly and people get a bit brusque. This can sometimes appear rude if you don’t take all previous trespassing and subtle warnings into account. And given the fact these guys just don’t listen to women, this may be a common occurrence for them.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
5 years ago

I doubt it’s very difficult to be “rude” to someone with so much entitlement. I mean, when cat calling was the topic of the day on a feminist page, the amount of men who showed up to complain about rude women was astronomical. Rude how? “Why can’t you smile?” “Why can’t you take a compliment?” “Why do you ignore?”
Apparently not smiling on command is rude. Shouting orders and unwanted sexual comments however is just a way to “meet people”.

Lanariel
Lanariel
5 years ago

4. Very many women can no longer find husbands because the western men can see that feminist laws and applications have made marriage a bad deal for men.

Waeeh! The justice system recognizes martial rape as rape!

5. Many others cannot find husbands because the toxic views feminism has led them to has made them unmarriageable.

Waeeh! Women have some standards and are allowed to say no!

6. Still others cannot get married because the sexual liberation ideas pushed by feminism has led them to ride the carousel until their market values have fallen off a precipice.

Waeeh! If they have any sexual experience they will realize that I am crap in bed!

7. Then there are those who, believing that being rude and bossy indicates strength and independence, in keeping with feminist polemic, have destroyed their own relationships, including marriages.

Waeeh! Feminists know they don’t have to be polite when we are alone, and some dare to be impolite when I am being a creep in public!

9. The ignorant rudeness that women are commonly taught is empowerment rebounds when they find themselves forming groups with other ignorant rude women.

Waeeh! Women talk amongst themselves, probably about us. Quick say something to make them stop sharing experiences. Oh! Women will annoy one another . There! Perfect. Logic. Reason.

That is what I read it as.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Really? I always thought that people who bought into that nonsense were, to put it politely, not very bright. Then again, I have no way of knowing, nor desire to find out, what’s popular in porn.

I can’t tell if you called WWTH stupid, if you called people who like MILF porn stupid, or if your post’s total mangling just paired this with the wrong quote. I hope it’s the latter.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Thank you for sharing, rugbyyogi.

Chiomara
Chiomara
5 years ago

He is right, you know… It IS more difficult to find a partner, especially male, once you realize you are not a thing.
But guess what, it’s still better than being a thing!

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

I feel like my opinions on this post are best expressed as a Christmas Carol:

On the 13th day of Chrismas, the Dark Lord gave to us,

a bucket full of male tears.

Chiomara
Chiomara
5 years ago

I am sorry, Rugby. Hope you are alright now.

help4343
help4343
5 years ago

Okay, most of this points are ridiculous, but what is wrong with point number 4? If divorce courts disfavor men, then that obviously harms the institution of marriage.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

@Moocow

Twelve douchelords whining, eleven Katies mocking, ten MGTOWs projecting, nine grapes a-souring, eight maids a-STEMming, seven movies ruined, six alphas negging,

Fiiiive liquid gold…..

Four catcallings, three mansplains, two biotruths,

And a teal deer in a troll post.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
5 years ago

Thank you. It was time I got Spader-Man out of my head and a more seasonal mammoth song in.

Snork Maiden
5 years ago

I love that these guys still believe that the ultimate terror for all women is the suggestion they won’t be able to snag a man.

DS
DS
5 years ago

I find it odd that while this is allegedly a super important post for men everywhere, it appears to have been written by a grammar school dropout. And this is not a unique thing: nobody in the MRM seems to be able to communicate effectively. I assume this is because they’very collectively decided that communication is for “sissy boys” or whatever, but when they then turn around and attempt to cajole and coax people to adopt their worldview, the effort undermines their ideological assertion that communicating is feminine. Communicating is human. These guys are crappy at communicating so they are sorta doomed.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@DS:
They’re writing for the in-group. It’s an effective form of communication for people who already understand the cognitive shortcuts embodied within the language, but is a terrible way to persuade outsiders. Groups obsessed with ideological purity or who have siege mentalities tend to make that mistake.

Any group which writes its recruiting material in that way is, as you say, sorta doomed.

Josh
Josh
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

“citation needed”

[Meet the men giving up on women](http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/article1629220.ece)-this was the cover story on the Sunday Times which is hardly an MRA publication

I disagree with number 6 however

Theon Alexandricus
Theon Alexandricus
5 years ago

How DARE ladies do things that this guy doesn’t like. Don’t they know that they’re ruining any chance that he will descent from on high and throw them a pity date?

UGH!