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MGTOW Science Korner: Men Are the Primary Victims of Female Nature, What With All the Babies and Whatnot

Greedy female monkey-branching to a stronger, better provider
Single mom monkey-branching to a stronger, better provider

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One of the standard critiques of Evo Psych is that it’s a collection of “just-so” stories.

That is, the practitioner of Evo Psych takes a look at the admittedly fragmentary data we have about human existence in the long ago and far away Environment of Evolutionary Adaptation, makes up a story that seems like it might explain what was going on, and — ta da! — we have a brave new truth about human nature that carries the imprimatur of Science.

Well, the aspiring Evo Psychologists of the manosphere take this ingenious strategy one step further: instead of making up a story that seems to fit the data, they just make up the data as well.

Take, for example, the wall-of-text disquisition on “female nature” that one Redditor recently posted on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. LonelyDalek starts off by noting that human beings are in fact a kind of animal, driven at a basic level by our biological instincts to survive and reproduce.

As Mr. Dalek sees it, men sort of specialized in surviving, while women concentrated on the reproducing.

Males’ role in the ancient nomadic life-style was that of hunters and gatherers – so men’s biology leans towards self-preservation a little more.

Yes, that’s right, ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU, and the thoughtful cave men even brought back some tasty berries for dessert, while their lazy cave wives sat around all day nibbling on prehistoric bon bons and occasionally checking to make sure their babies hadn’t been eaten by a dinosaur or something.

Or so goes the theory. In fact, as far as we can tell, women in hunter-gatherer societies probably did most of the gathering, and possibly a lot of the hunting as well. Whatever the distribution of labor, hunting-and-gathering-wise, women were certainly bringing home their share of the food.

But Mr. Dalek is has already moved on to his conclusion: that men, as hunters and protectors of women, tended to be a lot more willing to resort to violence than their female counterparts. And so, as he sees it, “the primary victims of male nature, thus, are not the other gender,” but other men who are cruising for a bruising.

Apparently Mr. Dalek has forgotten about that whole caveman-dragging-a-woman-by-her-hair meme, which used to be all the rage amongst hack cartoonists.

But it’s when Mr. Dalek gets to women that his just-so-storytelling goes completely into fantasyland.

The primary victims of female nature ARE men. Women’s nature is procreation oriented, because it is their bodies that carry the wombs to gestate and deliver the next generation. It seeks to secure a stable inflow of resources while being incapacitated in the process of child-rearing.

“It?”

This makes men,the resource-procurers, the primary targets of female nature.

Yep, women “target” men by expecting them to contribute something to the upbringing of the children they’ve fathered.

In this paradigm of things, there is no incentive for the women to actually give a damn about the well-being of the man/men providing for her; in fact, it is in her best interest to not be attached to a single man in particular, but keep monkey-branching to a stronger, better provider.

Uh, that is not actually how the world works. Or how it ever worked. These stories you guys tell each other again and again and again are based on NOTHING. They AREN’T TRUE.

But let’s forget that for a moment, because at this juncture Mr. Dalek does the unthinkable: HE SLANDERS KITTIES.

Specifically, the very large kitties known as lionesses.

Lionesses don’t particularly care when the male of the pride is killed by a new, younger male and then kills the cubs. They go on about like nothing’s changed.

DUDE.

Do you not watch Animal Planet? Lionesses are some of the baddest bitches of the animal kingdom and they will seriously fuck you up if you even get near their cubs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbLLQNWdis

Now, despite the fact that human women aren’t lionesses, and that lionesses don’t actually act the way he thinks they do, Mr. Dalek decides to go ahead and draw this conclusion anyway:

[M]ost women are not evil, they are un-empathetic to men’s plight, and heartlessly oblivious to our suffering.

Oh, and if you thought the poor, harried caveman had it bad, well, dudes today have it like a zillion times worse.

[W]e have the odds against us, but the gynocentric westerns society turns it up several notches. Every harmful aspect of male nature are restrained and kept well-checked by the law. That’s why most men are not murderers, though many men are perfectly capable of murder. …

But no such social or legal protection exists against harmful aspects of female nature- women’s tendency to take advantage of men, their actions that drive men to harm themselves and others, and the systems built over men’s corpses for the exclusive benefit of women.

Quick question dude: if you build civilization on a foundation of male corpses, won’t it start to smell a bit? I mean, I had a squirrel or something die in my wall once, and that was pretty much the nastiest smell I’ve ever met.

Well, the second nastiest. One time a roommate of mine left a potato in a plastic bag in the summer heat, and it sort of liquified. You’d think that the resulting stench might have a hard time making it through an apparently airtight plastic bag. Nope. I hope that I never have to smell anything that horrific ever again.

But I digress. Back to Mr. Dalek. Where were we? Oh, yeah, the part where he said ridiculous shit about women.

Combine this with the fact that women are unsympathetic towards men, and we have the perfect recipe for disaster.

Dude, I really don’t think that most women are unsympathetic to men. They might be unsympathetic to you, but that probably has something to do with the fact that you post long screeds on the internet about how women are a bunch of heartless monsters who don’t even care about their lion cubs, or whatever.

Women are oblivious to the harms they cause, and any voice trying to educate them are muffled and marginalized, and women are encouraged to engage in their careless ways by the society, of course, at the expense of men.

My deepest sympathies go out to any woman who’s had to listen to this dude trying to “educate” her on the alleged deficiencies of her “female nature.”

So, no, I don’t hate women…. they are just completely, and irredeemably unlovable.

If that’s what you say about people you don’t hate, what on earth do you say to those you do?

The only logical thing for men to do is to educate themselves and each other, and stay away from women as much as possible. Find ways to discipline one’s sexual neediness- through practices like martial arts, meditation or things like working out that’ll leave you too tired to be horny. But what ever you do- do not touch a female with a (your) ten-foot pole.

I guess I have to give him a few extra points for managing to work in a jokey reference to his apparently gigantic penis at the end there.

Does every dude in the manosphere have penis on the brain these days?

Looking through Mr. Dalek’s comment history on Reddit, I see that he’s really looking forward to a world in which these nasty female things lose their monopoly in the reproduction business and are thus no longer necessary in order for our species to survive.

If all the women disappeared from the world, I’m certain that the Men of the world will pool together all the resources, to create artificial wombs, and genetically engineer babies. It might take a few years, but I’m sure if all of humanity (minus women) strive for this one goal of rescuing the species, it will happen. Since men carry X chromosomes, we will be able to bring women back if we choose to…

This is the stuff that MGTOW dreams are made of.

Now what do you think will happen if all the men disappear one day?

Uh, Hooters goes out of business? Hillary Clinton defeats Carly Fiorina in a landslide? I won’t have any more material for my blog?

NOTE: Yes, I am aware that gibbons are not technically monkeys but apes.

 

 

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MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
9 years ago

I think it’s funny that a guy who’s named himself after the iconic, unfeeling monsters from Dr. Who has written a long screed about women being unfeeling monsters.

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
9 years ago

You would think they would use as their examples some of the Hunter-gatherer tribes and groups in existence today, as close examples of how humans used to live. From the documentaries I’ve been watching about tribal customs, all over the world, the men seem to do as much gathering as the women, like those honey gatherers in South America.

In certain tribes, women do all the fishing. Is that not a form of hunting? I’m not exactly sure where he’s pulling any of his information from, about ancient humans and lions, but I think we can all be certain, he didn’t get it from any creditable source, the big ninny.

There’s so many things wrong with what he stated.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
9 years ago

@Walter:

No, because there’s always a stronger and better provider around the corner. Or, in terms you’d understand, one with a larger penis.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
9 years ago

And lots and lots of lion prides don’t even have males; the females mate with a local guy when in heat and then throw him out.

We should try being more like lions I think.

+10 points to Slytherin for including women in humanity.

As a Slytherin, I am offended.

Y’all, I’m a Hufflepuff, but #NotAllSlytherins damnit.

Thank you, my dear Hufflepuff. uWu

Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Not on topic but I’ve had a long day involving my relatives and hours in a car and fuck that, can I take Cali to the vet again? I’m sure the techs would like her snuggle bug self around again…

Yeah, so, last weekend’s Doctor Who, did the Dalek in the catacombs say “exterminate me” or “exterminate me please”? Or both? Please solve this household debate!

nparker
nparker
9 years ago

@ Argenti Aertheri

I didn’t hear a ‘please’ from the cloister Dalek myself. That was a rather disturbing moment!

Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

It really was! I’m gonna hold off saying which I heard and which my mother heard until a few more people weigh in, I don’t want to cause an accidental selective memory thing.

The Dalek, the Weeping Angels, the Cyber… that’s 3 of my top four scary baddies, and who the fuck knows how you’d have fit Vastra Nervada in! (I so misspelled that)

…hmm, 4 of 5? Just because we don’t remember seeing the Silence…

Walter
Walter
9 years ago

Rabid Rabbit

But if someone is happy with the provider they have why rock the boat? Why risk losing everything to simply move up a little bit? I don’t think their idea makes sense in the world they created.

Nevermind the reality of the situation, which is that woman aren’t cruel users and do care about their partners.

reymohammed
9 years ago

Sbel, they have actually found a way to make sperm cells out of bone marrow, so that I, an old lady, could know the joys of fatherhood (pass).

Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
9 years ago

Yes, because our societies totally evolved on men just doing the hunting and women being at home.

While all the supposed “macho men” were out chasing mammoths, there were just as many men back at the caves and camps helping to take care of those kids and animals they may have around. While the so-called “wimps” where at home building homes and fixing roads, the “real men” wound up blowing up our houses and roads we built…

Likewise, how could a society support itself if the women also didn’t specialize in other things? I seem to recall that the women were sometimes better hunters than the men, and often had to build things during our days of wiping with a leaf and camping in a cave…

As for lions, those animals are bleh. Hyenas are where it’s at! Highly intelligent animals who both scavenge and hunt for food, while also having a complicated hierarchy and social order that lets them solve all sorts of problems… Although I don’t think our manospherians will ever mention this animal because well… You might know why…

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
9 years ago

The female hyena gives birth through the clitoris.

I repeat, the female hyena gives birth through the clitoris.

Do not google a video about this because that isn’t even the worst part about it.

Naira
Naira
9 years ago

I hate to drop a off topic comment, but…

I mentioned here a few weeks ago that part of my shitty day (the day of the attacks in Paris) included a possible cancer scare with my father.

PET scan for him was negative (80% of NOT cancer) and he’s getting the mass removed on Monday for testing. It could still possibly be something nasty, which would require a round of oral chemotherapy, but that kind of thing rarely kills.

It could also be a ridiculous fatty, benign tumor that his body decided to grow for some unfathomable reason buried in some backwater of his DNA (my grandfather also had a fatty, benign tumor for no particular reason)

Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

That’s great news Naira! Here’s hoping for backwater DNA growing a random fatty mass! (Well there’s a sentence I never thought I’d say)

Bryce
Bryce
9 years ago

There’s some evidence for polygamy being widespread amongst our progenitors; that seems to be the only valid snippet of evolutionary sciency type info I’ve heard cited in the manosphere.

Going by their remains, hunter gather societies were at the brink of starvation.It’s utterly implausible that half of the group did little more than nurse children.

Kat
Kat
9 years ago

@Naira
All best wishes for a great outcome for your dad.

History Nerd
History Nerd
9 years ago

If people in the Manosphere bother to do any research on Evo Psych at all, it typically means they’re getting their info from a textbook or a popularization. When you’re doing any type of research writing in science, citing popularizations or undergraduate textbooks is a big no-no except maybe in math or physics.

Textbooks exist to introduce people to a specific topic and they often don’t precisely represent the current literature. You need to read the peer reviewed articles and monographs if you actually want to use science to support your claims. Science magazines only count if the articles accurately describe actual research papers (pop science news sites don’t count).

History Nerd
History Nerd
9 years ago

Great to hear the good news, @Naira

Tessa
9 years ago

MsMockingbird

Male lions do occasionally kill cubs when they take over a pride but it’s not any where near as frequent as originally reported and they aren’t even sure of the evolutionary mechanism behind it.

And lots and lots of lion prides don’t even have males; the females mate with a local guy when in heat and then throw him out.

And lionesses do about 90% of the hunting in a pride, anyway. So the males are mostly freeloaders eating bonbons, whose main purpose is to keep other males off their back. Like a protection racket.

Edit: Ooh the reply buttons are gone and the quoted paragraphs look nice now! The site leveled up.

Frank Torpedo
9 years ago

@Naira

Good luck to you and your dad! We’re all behind you 100%.

rugbyyogi
9 years ago

Once again, there is a failure to recognise that human males and human females are in fact the SAME SPECIES, sexually dimorphic though we may be.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

@Naira:
My best wishes to your dad. It’s such a relief to hear that it may be benign.

@rugbyyogi:
That’s probably the truest thing I’ll hear all day. If we could post gifs nowadays I’d post a “lighter in the air” one.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
9 years ago

@rugnyyogi

We aren’t even that sexual dimorphic. 😐 Like, maybe if we were like spiders and shit their theories could fly but nope.

nparker
nparker
9 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri
Well, I was wearing an eyepatch while watching the last Silence ep so…

(joke!)

@Tessa
They really haven’t thought this through, have they? It just shows even more their complete and utter aversion to finding anything out about what they’re talking about.

@Walter

I don’t think their idea makes sense in the world they created.

Oh, such little self awareness.