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MGTOW Science Korner: Men Are the Primary Victims of Female Nature, What With All the Babies and Whatnot

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One of the standard critiques of Evo Psych is that it’s a collection of “just-so” stories.

That is, the practitioner of Evo Psych takes a look at the admittedly fragmentary data we have about human existence in the long ago and far away Environment of Evolutionary Adaptation, makes up a story that seems like it might explain what was going on, and — ta da! — we have a brave new truth about human nature that carries the imprimatur of Science.

Well, the aspiring Evo Psychologists of the manosphere take this ingenious strategy one step further: instead of making up a story that seems to fit the data, they just make up the data as well.

Take, for example, the wall-of-text disquisition on “female nature” that one Redditor recently posted on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. LonelyDalek starts off by noting that human beings are in fact a kind of animal, driven at a basic level by our biological instincts to survive and reproduce.

As Mr. Dalek sees it, men sort of specialized in surviving, while women concentrated on the reproducing.

Males’ role in the ancient nomadic life-style was that of hunters and gatherers – so men’s biology leans towards self-preservation a little more.

Yes, that’s right, ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU, and the thoughtful cave men even brought back some tasty berries for dessert, while their lazy cave wives sat around all day nibbling on prehistoric bon bons and occasionally checking to make sure their babies hadn’t been eaten by a dinosaur or something.

Or so goes the theory. In fact, as far as we can tell, women in hunter-gatherer societies probably did most of the gathering, and possibly a lot of the hunting as well. Whatever the distribution of labor, hunting-and-gathering-wise, women were certainly bringing home their share of the food.

But Mr. Dalek is has already moved on to his conclusion: that men, as hunters and protectors of women, tended to be a lot more willing to resort to violence than their female counterparts. And so, as he sees it, “the primary victims of male nature, thus, are not the other gender,” but other men who are cruising for a bruising.

Apparently Mr. Dalek has forgotten about that whole caveman-dragging-a-woman-by-her-hair meme, which used to be all the rage amongst hack cartoonists.

But it’s when Mr. Dalek gets to women that his just-so-storytelling goes completely into fantasyland.

The primary victims of female nature ARE men. Women’s nature is procreation oriented, because it is their bodies that carry the wombs to gestate and deliver the next generation. It seeks to secure a stable inflow of resources while being incapacitated in the process of child-rearing.

“It?”

This makes men,the resource-procurers, the primary targets of female nature.

Yep, women “target” men by expecting them to contribute something to the upbringing of the children they’ve fathered.

In this paradigm of things, there is no incentive for the women to actually give a damn about the well-being of the man/men providing for her; in fact, it is in her best interest to not be attached to a single man in particular, but keep monkey-branching to a stronger, better provider.

Uh, that is not actually how the world works. Or how it ever worked. These stories you guys tell each other again and again and again are based on NOTHING. They AREN’T TRUE.

But let’s forget that for a moment, because at this juncture Mr. Dalek does the unthinkable: HE SLANDERS KITTIES.

Specifically, the very large kitties known as lionesses.

Lionesses don’t particularly care when the male of the pride is killed by a new, younger male and then kills the cubs. They go on about like nothing’s changed.

DUDE.

Do you not watch Animal Planet? Lionesses are some of the baddest bitches of the animal kingdom and they will seriously fuck you up if you even get near their cubs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbLLQNWdis

Now, despite the fact that human women aren’t lionesses, and that lionesses don’t actually act the way he thinks they do, Mr. Dalek decides to go ahead and draw this conclusion anyway:

[M]ost women are not evil, they are un-empathetic to men’s plight, and heartlessly oblivious to our suffering.

Oh, and if you thought the poor, harried caveman had it bad, well, dudes today have it like a zillion times worse.

[W]e have the odds against us, but the gynocentric westerns society turns it up several notches. Every harmful aspect of male nature are restrained and kept well-checked by the law. That’s why most men are not murderers, though many men are perfectly capable of murder. …

But no such social or legal protection exists against harmful aspects of female nature- women’s tendency to take advantage of men, their actions that drive men to harm themselves and others, and the systems built over men’s corpses for the exclusive benefit of women.

Quick question dude: if you build civilization on a foundation of male corpses, won’t it start to smell a bit? I mean, I had a squirrel or something die in my wall once, and that was pretty much the nastiest smell I’ve ever met.

Well, the second nastiest. One time a roommate of mine left a potato in a plastic bag in the summer heat, and it sort of liquified. You’d think that the resulting stench might have a hard time making it through an apparently airtight plastic bag. Nope. I hope that I never have to smell anything that horrific ever again.

But I digress. Back to Mr. Dalek. Where were we? Oh, yeah, the part where he said ridiculous shit about women.

Combine this with the fact that women are unsympathetic towards men, and we have the perfect recipe for disaster.

Dude, I really don’t think that most women are unsympathetic to men. They might be unsympathetic to you, but that probably has something to do with the fact that you post long screeds on the internet about how women are a bunch of heartless monsters who don’t even care about their lion cubs, or whatever.

Women are oblivious to the harms they cause, and any voice trying to educate them are muffled and marginalized, and women are encouraged to engage in their careless ways by the society, of course, at the expense of men.

My deepest sympathies go out to any woman who’s had to listen to this dude trying to “educate” her on the alleged deficiencies of her “female nature.”

So, no, I don’t hate women…. they are just completely, and irredeemably unlovable.

If that’s what you say about people you don’t hate, what on earth do you say to those you do?

The only logical thing for men to do is to educate themselves and each other, and stay away from women as much as possible. Find ways to discipline one’s sexual neediness- through practices like martial arts, meditation or things like working out that’ll leave you too tired to be horny. But what ever you do- do not touch a female with a (your) ten-foot pole.

I guess I have to give him a few extra points for managing to work in a jokey reference to his apparently gigantic penis at the end there.

Does every dude in the manosphere have penis on the brain these days?

Looking through Mr. Dalek’s comment history on Reddit, I see that he’s really looking forward to a world in which these nasty female things lose their monopoly in the reproduction business and are thus no longer necessary in order for our species to survive.

If all the women disappeared from the world, I’m certain that the Men of the world will pool together all the resources, to create artificial wombs, and genetically engineer babies. It might take a few years, but I’m sure if all of humanity (minus women) strive for this one goal of rescuing the species, it will happen. Since men carry X chromosomes, we will be able to bring women back if we choose to…

This is the stuff that MGTOW dreams are made of.

Now what do you think will happen if all the men disappear one day?

Uh, Hooters goes out of business? Hillary Clinton defeats Carly Fiorina in a landslide? I won’t have any more material for my blog?

NOTE: Yes, I am aware that gibbons are not technically monkeys but apes.

 

 

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zyvlyn
zyvlyn
9 years ago

Oof. Thanks for reminding me of the smell of rotten, liquefied potato. I had that going on for a couple days throughout my college apartment before I was able to track down the culprit.

As for the rest of it, another day, another MGTOW who watched a couple minutes of animal planet one time and thinks he figured out evolutionary biology.

Luzbelitx
9 years ago

and genetically engineer babies

Those must be some seriously smartass babies.

I don’t have a lot of time to hang out here, because I’m helping my BDSM community to undo all the wrong and build an effective system against violence and abuse. It’s a lot of unpaid, undervalued work, but the result is most definitely worth it.

Meanwhile, I’ve been dating the trans girl (they call themselves “travestis” here) I met at the Pride Parade last month. I never met someone who makes me feel this way. This has been my life for the past few weeks:

http://gifmaker.cc/PlayGIFAnimation.php?folder=2015120809WevzSd9mTvpFDlqg9xeojy&file=output_Ela4jU.gif

I’m not commenting a lot but I’m lurking and reading, so I’ll take this brief moment to say thanks David for the new design, Random Post button included!

Tessa
9 years ago

The primary victims of female nature ARE men. Women’s nature is procreation oriented, because it is their bodies that carry the wombs to gestate and deliver the next generation. It seeks to secure a stable inflow of resources while being incapacitated in the process of child-rearing.

Even in current hunter gather societies, pregnant women work all through pregnancy. Some women will hunt well into the 8th and 9th month of pregnancy and after, hunt with the baby strapped to their hip.

Every harmful aspect of male nature are restrained and kept well-checked by the law. That’s why most men are not murderers, though many men are perfectly capable of murder. …

Aaaand we see his view of men. I swear these guys are their own worst enemies.

But no such social or legal protection exists against harmful aspects of female nature- women’s tendency to take advantage of men, their actions that drive men to harm themselves and others, and the systems built over men’s corpses for the exclusive benefit of women.

Yeeeah, cause the leaders raise armies against other leaders’ armies, manipulating their soldiers to die for them are all women. The ones manipulating men the most are other men.

Now what do you think will happen if all the men disappear one day?

Well, the women of the world wouldn’t need to make an artificial womb. The main roadblock would be transferring the genetic information from one egg to another. Also, there are sperm banks all ready.

Cerberus
Cerberus
9 years ago

Every one of these rants reinforces my belief that a good chunk of the older MRA types are abusive types whining about how they have to pay child support to the ex who dared escape from them even though they no longer have access to her vagina.

Just a bunch of searching for an excuse to hate women for breathing or breeding while they rant on the side about how “condoms ruin the experience” and turning out to be the type of asshole who rants about their partner having birth control or getting an abortion.

Cerulean (Miss A)
Cerulean (Miss A)
9 years ago

So, no, I don’t hate women…. they are just completely, and irredeemably unlovable.

Anyone else get a strong whiff of Projection off this guy? It was right about this statement (on almost no caffeine, no less!) I felt like the rambling was less about women and more about what’s projected onto them to demonize them. This guy reminds me of a few guys I’ve encountered in my life; they’re so insufferably smug about their own perceived superiority they would never believe a woman rejects them because they’re douchebags. No, no. It’s because those horrid women are unsympathetic creatures whose sole purpose is leeching off men.

Oh, this was the other gem that made me raise an eyebrow:

[M]ost women are not evil, they are un-empathetic to men’s plight, and heartlessly oblivious to our suffering.

Dude, WHAT suffering? The suffering that comes from learning women aren’t just convenient walking holes for you to stick your dick in and get your rocks off? That women might actually have our own wants and wishes that you conveniently brush aside to treat us like the aforementioned walking holes? This has such a nasty, Nice Guy(TM) vibe to it, like women owe sex to dudes like this, and they’re heartless bitchez if they don’t give it.

On a possible side-note with all the reproduction chatter, I have rarely encountered a group more entitled than men who don’t believe they should help support a child they helped create (with the added note that yes there may be women who believe similar, but they’re nowhere near as prevalent as men). It’s like, dude, just stop.

(Also, gyno-centric Western civilization? Where? Where?)

Margot
Margot
9 years ago

Their… theories, or shall I say, ‘beliefs’, are pretty ‘out there’. With all the shapeshifting from wolves to several ape species to lions to monkeys one’d think that such bold statements require at least some proof! I didn’t know we’re such funky hybrids at all, and their anthropology seems based on nothing more than the Flintstones. After all, these men are so so scientific and rational in their thinking right? So, as true rational scientific thinkers, please prove at least the most important of your claims and we could work from that.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
9 years ago

Another grand example of the “logic” of men who hate women:

Evolution happened.

Therefore, women are evil.

SCIENCE!

Yes, I’m simplifying a bit, but come on, that’s the message in a nutshell.

And again with the “my penis is huuuuge” thing. Does being obsessed with one’s dick correlate with being an insufferable dick? The small sample I’ve studied while cruising through this site suggests “yes”.

Tessa
9 years ago

Anarchonist

Yes, I’m simplifying a bit, but come on, that’s the message in a nutshell.

Except the evolution they say happened isn’t actually reflective of reality.

Mecha Toadstool
Mecha Toadstool
9 years ago

So, in regards to this hypothetical “All men disappear” scenario, is that all male-identifying people, all people carrying a Y chromosome, all people carrying a penis, or all “proper manly alpha MRA men like him and his ilk”?

Anon
Anon
9 years ago

My impersonation of Lord Douchecanoe:

“I love you because you are an object that is of use to me and bends to my will. You have no agency of your own so how couldn’t I love an extension of myself?”

ShinyBlue
ShinyBlue
9 years ago

These guys are what happens when social animals lose their instincts for social behavior. Or, as an ethnologist and linguistics professor friend of my parents once said, these are the ones that wouldn’t have survived male puberty initiation rituals.

MsMockingbird
MsMockingbird
9 years ago

Do you not watch Animal Planet? Lionesses are some of the baddest bitches of the animal kingdom and they will seriously fuck you up if you even get near their cubs.

Male lions do occasionally kill cubs when they take over a pride but it’s not any where near as frequent as originally reported and they aren’t even sure of the evolutionary mechanism behind it.

And lots and lots of lion prides don’t even have males; the females mate with a local guy when in heat and then throw him out.

Anne
Anne
9 years ago

These MRA and MGTOW types seem to talk a lot about babies. Yet they also seem to want to be able to abandon said babies and not be forced to pay for them.
I must say they’re fighting their own biology quite successfully.
Being able to procreate and feeling no urge to support said offspring must be a great triumph over biology for these lost boys.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
9 years ago

@Luzbelitx

Aww, that’s adorable! Good luck with the project in your community!

@Tessa

Except the evolution they say happened isn’t actually reflective of reality.

That… was the point. The only correct premise these guys have is that evolution happened; Everything else is making up stuff about biology, psychology and science in general in order to justify their hatred of women, then calling it logical. That was literally the joke. Am I just constantly failing to express myself clearly these days?

bluecat
bluecat
9 years ago

He’s grumbling because according to him “every harmful aspect of male nature are [sic] restrained.”

Would that it were so – but isn’t there something a bit off about complaining if the worst aspects of anything at all are being restrained?

It’s so unfair that we’re really not supposed to be murderers anymore!

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

This is OT, and from back in June of this year, but I couldn’t find it on here using the search function:

Behold, the scourge of Mancrimination!!

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
9 years ago

This is obviously totally true, guys. That’s why no woman has ever been kind to any man ever in the history of the world. Or something.

The only logical thing for men to do is to… stay away from women as much as possible.

… why do MGTOW always say this but never actually do it, though. 🙁

Now what do you think will happen if all the men disappear one day?

I’m pretty sure it’d be easier to figure out how to fertilize an egg with another egg than to create an embryo with two sperm cells? Also, trans women exist!

nparker
nparker
9 years ago

Well, plenty of manospherians have similar views to the Daleks…

In all seriousness, no one in the manosphere should call themselves after anything in Doctor Who- none of them remotely possess the moral qualities Doctor Who shows you are good…

Maybe they’ve only ever seen a few clips of the show, then assumed the Daleks were the good guys?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

LonelyDalek
Every harmful aspect of male nature are restrained and kept well-checked by the law. That’s why most men are not murderers, though many men are perfectly capable of murder. …

I can’t speak for anyone else, but the reason I’m not a murderer isn’t because I’m kept in check by the law, but because I’m a pacifist. If the law commanded me to go out and become a murderer, I would do as many other pacifists have done through the ages and refuse. The law, in short, has nothing to do with my not being a murderer.

Does that make me not a man?

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

When you get down to it, at the bottom of it all, aren’t all Daleks lonely? They’re terrifyingly tragic creatures, especially after “The Witch’s Familiar.” Which is not to say they’re not also lethally dangerous.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

Yes, I am aware that gibbons are not technically monkeys but apes.

You can work around this by publishing your blog in French.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

@Falconer:
Now I want to see a children’s book entitled The Loneliest Dalek.

I want to see it so much I may write it myself.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
9 years ago

Tessa,
That’s what got me too. The thing about pregnant and nursing women being incapacitated. It makes me think this dude never leaves the house. Has he not worked with women and witnessed pregnant women working up until their due date? Long maternity leaves are a contemporary luxury that all women don’t have to this day. Not an eternal bio truth!

nparker
nparker
9 years ago

@ Falconer

Well, the episode Dalek did the impossible and made people feel sympathetic to a Dalek, so yeah, they are really tragic (pepperpot-shaped) figures.

@ EJ (The Other One)

I’d still like to see The Emperor Dalek’s New Clothes.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ WWTH

Has he not worked with women and witnessed pregnant women working up until their due date?

One of my friends was conducting litigation up until her waters broke. If you count telling people where she’d go to and what else needed doing as we were helping her to a car, 3 minutes beyond that.

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