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Life is so much better now that I’ve stopped seeing women as human beings, loathsome manbaby explains

Seeing women as objects: Not actually a new idea
Seeing women as objects: Not actually a new idea

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Members of that strange internet subculture known as Men Going Their Own Way face a bit of a dilemma: they hate women, a LOT, but at the same time most of them want very much to put their penises in them, which kind of gets in the way of the “Going Their Own Way” part of that whole “Men Going Their Own Way” thing.

But one Reddit MGTOW by the name of Isaiah4verse1 has found a solution of sorts to this little problem: He’s simply stopped seeing women as full human beings.

“I am actually no longer attracted to females,” he explains in a recent comment on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit.

I haven’t looked at porn in over a month. I can’t look at them without a deluge of Red Pill knowledge coming to mind. It’s great.

You’ve trained yourself to be repulsed by women. Congratulations.

I find it completely dishonourable to my mind, body and spirit to be bound sexually to such creatures therefore I took care of it with brute force and it’s done.

Wait, what? What exactly did you take care of “with brute force?” This didn’t involve a rusty steak knife and a lot of blood, did it?

Actually, it has worked too well. I don’t have any feeling towards women. I do not recognize them as complete human beings but unevolved persons.

Unfortunately, he’s not the first to arrive at this, er, enlightened position.

I am completely and utterly free and feel like a kid! (remember back before puberty when this garbage didn’t pollute your mind?)

Huh. My memories of life before puberty involve ugly cars, bad hairdos and songs by ABBA, but then again it was the 70s.

If the name Isaiah4verse1 sounds vaguely familiar to you, well, we’ve met him before. He was one of the MGTOWs who thought it was hilarious that Charlie Sheen might have passed his HIV along to a number of women.

Oh, and earlier this year he set forth his theory that women are basically a bunch of overpriced vagina buses. Maybe you remember that.

H/T — r/BestOfOutrageCulture

 

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MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

@nparker

I don’t care if I get banned…why would I? It’s as if you think your taking my snickers bar away. Again pathetic and childish attitude.
Ooh I’m an abuser… I probably spead my legs on the subway and fart in public. Your a joke

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
5 years ago

MS,
You’re universalizing our opinions of you. We think you are wrong and your opinions are inferior. You. Personally.

That doesn’t mean we’re calling the opinions of men in general wrong or inferior.

Stop being hysterical, dear.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

At the paradoxical thing.

Your telling me there are actual “men” on this message board insenced by my voice. If this is true these are the biggest Simps going.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

MaleSuicide | December 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm
By the way this is a facist mentality

“Speak your minds!”, and then say “Thanks for speaking your mind, but you’re wrong, and here’s why”. These two statements in no way contradict one another.

No, it’s not. I can say “It’s okay to speak your mind”, and then disagree with you. That’s how conversations work.

You’re literally calling us facists for not simply agreeing with you.

So we can speak our minds as long as it’s an agreeable opinion for you and if it’s not an agreeable opinion you will educate us how it’s wrong.

That’s how conversations work. If you’re wrong, then I can, and will, point it out. If I’m wrong, I expect the same to be done to me.

http://i.imgur.com/x2obkfS.gif

However, the conversation doesn’t stop there. If I feel like you’re still wrong, I can still present my case, and maybe even change it if you convince me that I’m wrong about something.

See? It’s easy!

I’m afraid no, all your doing there is overriding a mans opinion with your own allegedly superior opinion.

So, you’re mad that I, a mere feeemale, am speaking my mind? Lol.

There is no right or wrong in most instances outside what the law of the land states is law, anything else is “open to opinion”.

Oh, the “I’m not really wrong because there is no wrong, but I’m still right and you’re still wrong!” fallacy.

Squirrel, please.

Your clearly stating that a woman’s opinion should, without exception, be the dominant opinion in a male female relationship. Did you dispute the analogy of dictator!

When the fuck did I say that?

And yeah, I do dispute the “analogy of a dictator”, because it’s laughably wrong.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

MaleSuicide | December 10, 2015 at 4:37 pm
At the paradoxical thing.

Your telling me there are actual “men” on this message board insenced by my voice. If this is true these are the biggest Simps going.

Oh dear, emasculating men! Be careful darling, you might be accused of being a feminist with all this man-hate!

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

“MS,
You’re universalizing our opinions of you. We think you are wrong and your opinions are inferior. You. Personally.”

I have no problem with that. Likewise.

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

@ Male Suicide

Again pathetic and childish attitude.

Ah, because schoolyard taunts of ‘you’re running away to tell on me! You’re just a big baby!’ are so eloquent and mature.

Oh yes, and ‘Ooh, I’m a abuser’ is too.

I don’t care if I get banned

Why are you moaning about your Freeze Peach then? Why’ve you kicked up such a fuss about calls to ban you? You and me have very different definitions of not caring.

Your a joke

You’re exactly the kind of person this blog is specifically set up to mock.

Oh, and Snickers? Nah. Go eat a real chocolate bar. I want you to have a Snickers. It’ll get one more away from my own mouth.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

“Oh dear, emasculating men! Be careful darling, you might be accused of being a feminist with all this man-hate!”

Any “man” that feels the need to white knight on a woman’s behalf is doing so with the expectation of gaining favour with said woman or group of women. If a man has testicles then his testicles will always be in play and they will always count in his objective with women.., unless he is gay. So if it’s gay men in here appalled by my stance then I sincerely am sorry and will look at exactly how I offended them.

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

And it all boils down to sex. Delightful.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

“However, the conversation doesn’t stop there. If I feel like you’re still wrong, I can still present my case, and maybe even change it if you convince me that I’m wrong about something.

See? It’s easy”

Nope that is called an argument and it’s what a hell of a lot of straight couples do but even more lesbians do. What does that say.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@nparker: Of course it does, it’s apparently all he thinks about, so it must be what all men think about!

And, of course, he hates women for making him feel this way. Because it’s all us feeemale’s fault for making men like us.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

“@nparker: Of course it does, it’s apparently all he thinks about, so it must be what all men think about!

And, of course, he hates women for making him feel this way. Because it’s all us feeemale’s fault for making men like us.”

Sure from the age of 14 to 18 maybe sex was on my mind a lot, like most teenagers. However I’m not white knighting myself around town am I. If I was a man on here trying to gain your favour you can guarantee sex is the objective and your a fool to think otherwise. Hey I bet the guy running the site gets a lot of feminist tail.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

Oh and I don’t recall ever stating I hated women. So that would be a lie wouldn’t it and defamation.

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

And it all boils down to sex. Delightful.

(Needed to be said again!)

Male Suicide (actually, now I’ll just call you EE, last letters.) You are not typical of men. Many, many men do not only care for women as sexual objects and nothing else. If you think manipulating women for sex is good, then you really are in no way typical of other men, including teenagers.

The idea that men only care about women for sex is really fucking anti-male.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

MaleSuicide | December 10, 2015 at 4:48 pm
“However, the conversation doesn’t stop there. If I feel like you’re still wrong, I can still present my case, and maybe even change it if you convince me that I’m wrong about something.

See? It’s easy”

Nope that is called an argument and it’s what a hell of a lot of straight couples do but even more lesbians do. What does that say.

You can have a conversation where you’re just talking ideas to one another. Rational adults do it all the time without thinking it’s an argument and immediately trying to have a dick-measuring contest, for lack of a better phrase.

You know what you’re saying with all this “lesbians though!” bullshit? That that all couples fucking fight, and lesbians aren’t perfect just because they’re lesbians. Which anyone with a lick of common sense could tell you. Lesbians are people. People aren’t perfect.

Gay men also fight in relationships too, and that just continues to prove what I’ve been saying. All couples fight, no one’s perfect. All couples have arguments, and all couples can be abusive. This is true no matter who the fuck you’re dating/married to/living with/whatever.

I don’t see how this has anything to do with anything beyond your hatred of and desire to infantalize women by somehow trying to “prove” that women can’t get along by themselves, which apparently they can with nearly the same frequency they get along with men.

And way to ignore single/trans/bisexual/pansexual women as well.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

MaleSuicide | December 10, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Oh and I don’t recall ever stating I hated women. So that would be a lie wouldn’t it and defamation.

“Women are all stupid children who believe men’s sweet lies about them, and they can’t even get along in lesbian relationships without being abusive, and men change their entire personalities just to get laid, and women are all toxic and the only reason men put up with them is for sex!” – Literally everything you’ve said boiled down to a single chestnut.

Not defamation if it’s true.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

In summary I never said I hate men or women but I see both allegations have been flung my way.

I believe, from the vast number of statistics and from a reasonably large number of actual relationships of people I have known and my own.. That women ask a lot of questions of men and men don’t ask many if any in return.

The relentless questions are like a barometer of how a woman guages a mans level of satisfaction within the relationship.

A man will lie in order to bolster the woman’s confidence about how happy he is in the relationship. He may well not be very happy but will find the idea being with a woman, practically any woman, better than being alone…so he will lie to sustain that woman.

This is what I think of most married men…they are dishonest for the above reasons. And married women are as I’ve already pointed out insecure and dictatorial.

Stalin was insecure and dictatorial.

Single men and single women are however generally fine. It’s marriage and long term relationships that fuck them up.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

If women are so naïve and stupid that we’ll sleep with men if they give us phony compliments, why would men need to play a long con and marry women just to get laid?

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

@ EE

You don’t have to outright say something for it to be painfully obvious.

What the flippety-flippety fudge has Stalin got to do with all of this?

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

This is what I think of most married men…they are dishonest for the above reasons. And married women are as I’ve already pointed out insecure and dictatorial.

Stalin was insecure and dictatorial.

You just said it was defamatory to accuse you of being misogynist and moments later, what do you do? Compare all married women to Stalin.

The lack of self awareness is staggering.

Imperator Kahlo
Imperator Kahlo
5 years ago

If a man has testicles then his testicles will always be in play

Penis is truth!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Shorter MS: “I view women as being this way, and Salin was this way, ergo, women are fascists!”

MaleSuicide | December 10, 2015 at 5:04 pm
In summary I never said I hate men or women but I see both allegations have been flung my way.

“I only said that men lie to women just to get sex, emasculated other men who didn’t agree with me, called women stupid and childish, and that they’re fascist dictators! Why do you think I hate men and women!? I never said that! Defamation!”

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
5 years ago

MaleSuicide wrote:

Your telling me there are actual “men” on this message board insenced by my voice.

I wouldn’t say I’m “insenced” (or even incensed), but I certainly find you both tedious and vaguely irritating.

And laughably wrong in so, so many ways.

MaleSuicide wrote:

If this is true these are the biggest Simps going.

This claim – like all your others – is based on a number of false warrants.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

“Look, I don’t hate women, okay? I just think they’re literally Stalin.”

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

@nparker

Ah ha, so you must be one of the straight male feminists here. And nothing is anything to do with passyfiyng women for sex…corse not.
Well let me ask you some home truths then.
Do you ever buy women expensive gifts?
Expensive dinners?
What about paying for vacations?
Maybe you just tell them how good they look?

Now do you treat your male friends exactly the same way? Oh do tell. Because it’s nothing to do with sex and I’m sure you split all your bills with dates straight down the middle don’t you?

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

@ Viscaria

Now that made me laugh! Then again, so does our troll here.

katz
5 years ago

Oh and I don’t recall ever stating I hated women. So that would be a lie wouldn’t it and defamation.

Ah yes, the good old “If I don’t outright admit to bigotry, I’m not bigoted” line of argument. If only unpleasant character traits really did stop existing if you didn’t acknowledge them.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

@Viscaria

And who said I hated Stalin?

Anyhow I said married women and women in relationships with men. Single women do not behave like this until they hook up with a guy. Not all women but it’s a reoccurring theme with a majority.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

So you’re a Stalin fan, then?

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

@Gaebolga

You dear sir are full of bullshit

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

@Viscaria

I see your bereft of sarcasm too.

MaleSuicide
MaleSuicide
5 years ago

@nparker

Oh look you never answered my questions. What a shocker.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

Look dude with terrible insensitive nym, there are two options: 1) you like Stalin and the comparison of women to same was complimentary, 2) you don’t like Stalin and the comparison was not complimentary. There is no 3rd option where you don’t hate women but they’re actually Stalin but you don’t hate Stalin but lol of course that’s satire duh

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
5 years ago

MaleSuicide wrote:

You dear sir are full of bullshit

Interesting claim. What evidence do you have to support it?

Because, you know, making claims you can’t support with evidence is pretty much the definition of being “full of bullshit.”

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

@ EE

Why yes, I am straight, male and a feminist.

Do you ever buy women expensive gifts?

No. I have very little money.

Expensive dinners?

Only ever been out to dinner with friends, and no. The last time was Pizza Express. The one before was Pizza Express. The one before was a sandwich and a carton of orange juice each at the National Space Centre.

What about paying for vacations?

Does finding a female friend’s lost kite with no expense count? If not, no. I’m not old enough to have done so, but if I did, I’d expect us both to pay equal amounts.

Maybe you just tell them how good they look?

Only if its wanted. You see, I’m not a creep, so I don’t just assume what women want to hear about their appearance. Also, who cares?

Oh, yeah, I told a friend they looked like Roger Federer once. They didn’t know who he was, but I considered it a compliment. (Roger Federer may beg to differ, but anyway.)

Now do you treat your male friends exactly the same way? Oh do tell. Because it’s nothing to do with sex and I’m sure you split all your bills with dates straight down the middle don’t you?

Most of this stuff was to male friends, so, um, yes. Actually. And yes, I would split bills down the middle, with men or women, unless it was a special occasion. I’m not someone who thinks a women owes me sex because I paid more than them for a particular meal.

EDIT:
“Oh look you never answered my questions. What a shocker.”

That’s because I was typing my answer while you posted this comment.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
5 years ago

I think the best gift a beau has ever given me was a large, very fluffy violet blanket. It is so warm and so soft. I think I gave him two CDs for Christmas that year. Neither of us gave or got expensive gifts.

Which is about as relevant as anything MS has said here.

And he really should change his ‘nym. Won’t someone think of the men? … no seriously, dudes deserve better than this turd-breath.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

MaleSuicide | December 10, 2015 at 5:12 pm
@nparker

Ah ha, so you must be one of the straight male feminists here. And nothing is anything to do with passyfiyng women for sex…corse not.
Well let me ask you some home truths then.
Do you ever buy women expensive gifts?
Expensive dinners?
What about paying for vacations?
Maybe you just tell them how good they look?

Now do you treat your male friends exactly the same way? Oh do tell. Because it’s nothing to do with sex and I’m sure you split all your bills with dates straight down the middle don’t you?

Tell you what, I’ll answer these, as a woman who is attracted to women.

Do I ever buy women expensive gifts? Yes, and not just because I want to fuck them. I also buy women in my family expensive gifts when I can afford them. It’s a wonderful show of affection for me. I enjoy spoiling my partners when I can, and when I can’t, I can always make them something nice, or at least get them something they need/want that isn’t expensive.

I feel like presents should be relevant to the person you’re buying them for, not just for their price tag.

Expensive dinners? Again, if I can afford it, but I’d actually prefer to make my partner dinner. It just feels better that way, even if it doesn’t taste as good.

What about paying for vacations? Squirrel, I can’t even afford vacations for myself, let alone two people. Maybe a staycation where we sit on the couch and watch Netflix, or go to the zoo or something, but that’s it.

Maybe you just tell them how good they look? Well, yeah. I tell people when I like their dress or their hair, or even just the way their glasses fit their face. It’s nice to compliment other people. (But, of course, “Hey baby, back that fat ass up onto my cock!” isn’t a compliment.)

And, since I’m pansexual, that also applies to men as well (as well as people of any other gender, because pansexuality).

But, I’m willing to bet I don’t count because “lesbians” or something.

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

@ David,

I’m rather having fun, so I’m fine toying with them for a little while. Not sure about others.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
5 years ago

Men always seem so surprised when you compliment their clothes, have you noticed that?

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I personally think he’s getting tedious. He keeps repeating himself and then acts shocked when we call him out. : P

And hey, he said he doesn’t care if we ban him!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@Jarnsaxa: I do. I think it’s because men aren’t supposed to care about their clothes, because that’s a “feminine” thing to do.

So, if a man looks good, it’s just supposed to be kind of universally acknowledged.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Maybe you just tell them how good they look?

Now do you treat your male friends exactly the same way? Oh do tell. Because it’s nothing to do with sex and I’m sure you split all your bills with dates straight down the middle don’t you?

Have you ever actually talked seriously with a feminist, let alone dated one? Feminists are absolutely fine with splitting the bill on dates. It’s “traditional” men and women who are invested in the notion that the man pays. If men being expected to pay for dates and expensive gifts bugs you so much, you should be whining about it over on a right wing blog. Not here.

Straight women tell each other they look all the time. Maybe straight men would do the same if toxic masculinity didn’t have so many of them scared of seeming gay. It is possible to think someone is hot without being sexually attracted to them.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

Thanks David.

It was the nym that upset me (who invokes suicide so casually in the hopes of scoring points against women? Gross), so I don’t mind if he continues under a different moniker, but that’s just me. Whatever people want.

nparker
nparker
5 years ago

@ David

Just curious to be honest, how does renaming a poster work? Do they have to change it, or can you change it? I had no idea it was possible.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

He can for the time being if he changes his name. I’m amused by the whole married women = Stalin thing and want to see if he has any other hilarious comparisons.

Actually, I think he should change his name to married women = Stalin.

katz
5 years ago

Look dude with terrible insensitive nym, there are two options: 1) you like Stalin and the comparison of women to same was complimentary, 2) you don’t like Stalin and the comparison was not complimentary. There is no 3rd option where you don’t hate women but they’re actually Stalin but you don’t hate Stalin but lol of course that’s satire duh

Schrodinger’s Asshole in action.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

The idea that men only care about women for sex is really fucking anti-male.

This should be the signature for any response to an MRA.