Life is so much better now that I’ve stopped seeing women as human beings, loathsome manbaby explains

It looks like men can’t win judging by feminists impossible standards. You look at porn and your a pervert. You stop looking at porn and you a msygonist.

Wait. You think objecting to someone referring to women as not complete human being is an impossible standard? What standard do you think we should be holding men to? As long as a man isn’t serially killing us, he’s okay? Or would that be an impossibly bar too?

Also, it’s cute that you think there’s a monolithic feminist opinion regarding porn. Actually, this is a contentious issue that feminists argue about all the time.

Straight men would have to condition themselves to quit porn, because it’s addictive. If your gonna quit smoking or drinking your gonna need to develop a distain for cigarettes or alcohol, in order to quit them.

You can get addicted to anything. That doesn’t mean porn is addictive for everyone. Kind of like the alcohol you compare it to. However, the analogy doesn’t work all that well because you don’t need to hate something to quit it. I quit smoking 7 years ago and have never hated it. Another reason your analogy fails is that he’s not disdaining porn. He’s disdaining women. Comparing half of humanity to a toxic substance like booze and cigarettes is actually quite offensive.

I don’t see any problem with cultivating a distain for porn because overall I think any addiction is unhealthy and unlike what the modem “right on” concessions is with porn, I’m not really in favour of it. The reason the MSM is so accepting of porn these days is due to the fact it’s too popular to condemn.

They like porn because it gives them an excuse to get angry at women for not acting like female porn characters and angry at women because they don’t have the sex life of a male porn character. They like porn because most mainstream porn objectifies women.

Sex is more of a biological addiction with men and it skews male judgement on women, it prevents an honest dialogue between the sexes.

Oh good. Gender essentialist evo psych nonsense. I wasn’t expecting pseudoscientific bio truths at all!
/s

In all seriousness, how do gay people fit into this little narrative? What about trans and non binary people?

This is why women largely believe men are habitual liars.

We do? That’s news to me.

We lie in order to tell women what women need to hear, so that we can have sex with them.

Maybe you do. Don’t assume everyone acts like you and your I’m sure equally scummy friends.

This is also why many men become feminists, I know because I was once a male feminist. Today women may like me less for speaking my honest opinions but I also get laid more so go figure.

First of all, if you were only pretending to be a feminist to get into women’s pants, you were never actually a feminist.

Second of all, has it occurred to you that you can’t win with feminists because the feminists you’ve interacted with realized you were a creep even when you were masquerading as a male feminist?

Kale, not shy about asking the complicated questions, are you!

I’ll try and dig up a couple papers for you, and then put together a not overwhelmingly complicated answer to a thing that’s pretty stinking complicated.

The spark notes will eventually boil down to:

Traditional sex determination for humans is XX -> female, and XY -> male: however, the expression of the genotype can vary dramatically in the phenotype due to hormonal cascades, epigenetics, and other factors.

That is, biology is super complicated for something that is supposedly so simple, and genotype sometimes doesn’t match the phenotype. At all.

Oh. It’s not even a different troll on the first page that Kale was talking about. It’s Male Suicide again.

It’s true, a lot of so called MGTOW are not very articulate and clearly some are sexist.

Some? It’s not cherry picking if it’s an entire misogynist orchard. Time to play the game that no troll has ever played and won. Name three manospherian bloggers or even prominent commenters who aren’t misogynists.

Having said that, the same can be said of feminists.
If I dismiss all feminists based on some of their commentators, like the guardian writer who would like to see all males sent to concentration camps..then you would say I’m a misogynist?

Can you provide a link or at least a couple of more details so this can be easily Googled. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that no Guardian columnist has ever actually advocated this. Chances are high this is an obvious satire. I can’t really disavow something I’m not aware of. Of course, it doesn’t even matter that much because it’s a false equivalency. All MGTOW are misogynists. Few feminists actually hate men.

MGTOW (and I do so hate that acronym) is nothing more than male feminism.

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It aspouses the same basic gender centric principles.

Actually, intersectional feminism is not all that gender centric. I think what you’re trying to say is that feminists want to install some sort of matriarchy. That’s just untrue. Your whole premise is just faulty.

The idea that men are better off without women is no different to what society in general has been fed for the last 30 + years, except the other way around.
Why do feminists now choose to call men playing by the same rules bad or more humiliating “sad”? If women needed men like a fish needed a bicycle and this was socially accepted within pop culture, then what’s the issue with the bicycle not needing a fish?

For the same reason white history month or a straight pride parade would be ridiculous. Does this really have to be explained to you?

And this is the real issue. Clearly our mainstream media allows feminist voices to be heard including the more extremist ones, such as you’ll see in the guardian… this normalises within the culture a abnormal extremists misandry.

Your reasoning for the mainstream media being feminist is one unnamed Guardian article? Really? If the media is so feminist, why are the vast majority of movie directors and TV showrunners men? Why are the minority of speaking parts in theatrically released movies female? Why are the vast majority of Sunday news talk show guests men? Why do men’s sports get daily primetime coverage on the broadcast and prominent cable networks but women’s sports are lucky to get any coverage on TV at all? I could go on.

For all the complaints about extremism within MGTOW, it’s limited to Reddit message boards. It’s not considered socially acceptable and no matter how hard feminists protest against MGTOW it is still a fringe culture. It may be a growing culture but you can blame the socially acceptable insanity promoted in the likes of the guardian for its growth.

There you go wanking on about the Guardian again. I can guarantee you that online misogyny existed long before whatever column you have a bee in your bonnet about was written.

And BTW, you are clearly confused about the purposes of this site. We’re mocking misogyny. We’re protesting them all that hard.

Yet I don’t see many “reasonable” feminists taking stock or cleaning house within their own ranks. No, much easier to take pot shots at men who openly say they no longer want women.

You keep complaining about these evil man hating feminists we should be kicking out of the club. But you’ve failed to name any feminists who are so extremist. You’ve failed to even name any criteria for what constitutes an extremist feminist.

If anything the MGTOW should be a feminists dream come true so why the animosity? It only makes it appear that women really do need men.

It’s because they never actually go their own way. They obsess about women and how much they hate us and they constantly troll feminist/social justice spaces. They seek attention from us far more than we’ve ever sought attention from them.

So my advice is just to completely ignore MGTOW especially as that’s what they say they are doing with you.

No they aren’t ignoring us. But nobody asked you for your advice. So why are you here giving it to us? Doesn’t that kind of disprove your claim about MGTOW ignoring us?

I just really geek out about science.

Im known for asking hard to answer questions bc my brain just goes there

– “yes but what *is* Gravity reeeealllly?!!”

unfortunately this has fooled teachers into thinking Im super smart and then they get surprised and disappointed when I struggle with more basic facts

– “uhm, which side is the midline? Or is it the medial…?”

;p

dont sweat it I can google I just love it when ya’ll talk science to me. …. um not on a creepy way.

😀

Wow. He’s willing to throw half the human race under a bus because of his selfishness. What a shitstain.

In political science, samples are usually not constructed, but taken at random. The problem lies with the fact that taking a truly random sample is basically impossible, so different weighting may be assigned to try to re-align the sample with the known reality, or other techniques used to sample groups that are hard to contact. The homeless, for instance, aren’t going to be sampled at anything like their actual proportion with a randomized phone or mail survey, but their views are just as important as the views of wealthy retirees who have nothing to do with their time but answer surveys. A entire subfield of political science is dedicated toward designing surveys that are as close to the true random ideal as possible.

Yep, you got me, I said the word “females” which can only mean I see them as subhuman. Congratulations on deciphering my code.

You need to go sit in the corner and have a long think about why you reflexively categorize women into their gender presentation, rather than as “women.”

If anything the MGTOW should be a feminists dream come true so why the animosity?

Because hating women and facilitating other men in their hatred of women does not actually constitute men going their own way? I’ve seen MGTOW message boards; 90%+ of their chitchat is about women, and how much they loathe same. Occasionally they will give one another dating tips. That’s only going their own way if it’s opposite day.

When you show us a man going his own way, for realsies, no longer caring about women at all, I will show you a comment board full of feminists happily waving him into the sunset.

@kupo:

Ok, I’m not gonna try to defend myself from your wild and far reaching assumptions about me based on one word that I used, because in the past, that exact thing has gotten me banned from several places. All I’ll say is that you don’t know me or what I’ve had to live with or why, just believe me when I say my life would have been a lot easier and I could have avoided a lot of permanent damage if I was asexual. It has nothing to do with what I think about women, if I was gay I might be going through the same thing right now and feeling the same way about men, I’d just be a lot less miserable and screwed up if I was attracted to nobody.

I was invisioning a specific set of bones and a specific ancestor fish from a book called “your inner fish”. evolution is neato.

All I know about Bindel is she is transphobic. which means she already hates me so I cant possibly be on her side.

Something menosperians need to get is that I can be a feminist and not even read “feminist lit”. Feminism isnt a cult of personality. There is no femipope. All you need is to believe women are equal and must be treated equally. Bringing up this or that self proclaimed feminist who said a dumb thing means nothing. Theres a lot of debate anyway.

@Gosu – for real, I highly recommend seeing a psychologist if you are feeling that way. For some, antidepressants can help and if you truly want to be celibate – which is a fine choice – antiDs can reduce your sex drive.

Im (mostly) asexual and its not so easy. we are pressured to date too. we get sexually harassed and stuff too. Aces sometimes do genuinely like to date. For someone on the borderline like me its all the more confusing. Theres no easy outs in life, or few.

idk exactly what you said before so Im not gonna go back and get into it but for the record no one here has an issue with everyone’s different sexualities, what we have an issue with is men who hate and harm women, The OP is clearly about a man who hates women.

@Gosuamakenatek

I think I know what you meant. When for whatever reasons you just can’t, either with finding someone where you’re both attracted, or with making it work if you can, and life would just be so much easier if you weren’t tormented by sexual desires.

I’ve been there. Hang in; it will almost certainly get better. Hugs offered.

Being Ace (asexual) is pretty awesome. It isn’t a cure all box of hugs and puppies, though.

Things that Are Obnoxious/Hazardous to Ace Folks:
1) People assuming our lives are happy go lucky and drama free
2) People assuming if we aren’t sexual, we must be emotionless robots
3) People (especially doctors) not believing us when we say we aren’t sexually active/interested
4) People not believing you when you say you aren’t interested
5) People taking your lack of interest as a challenge and trying to ‘fix’ you with their magic kissing prowess (or their magic genitals)
6) Not noticing sexual subtext until after someone’s admitted they’re interested in you, and then having people accuse you of ‘leading them on’.
7) People assuming that you must have been abused to be ace, and offering you links to therapists websites
8) It being next to impossible to find fiction with platonic wonderfulness
9) When you do find fiction with platonic wonderfulness, having the internet shove webpages at you that ship all the characters
10) People asking you if you just have a hormone deficiency and don’t you want that fixed?
11) “You’ll meet that special someone, someday”
12) Feeling awkward watching shows because all the fanservice (which is totally not a service).
13) Feeling awkward singing along to the radio or in public because every single song is either religious or about love.
14) People talking about their crushes… and expecting you to know what they’re talking about.
15) The feeling like you can’t ever have a relationship because everyone acts like relationships = sex, and you’d be letting your partner down if you really don’t want sex
16) Your parents assuming you must be gay/lesbian because you’ve never brought a boyfriend/girlfriend home to meet them
17) When you actually like hugs and cuddling, but you don’t want sex, and people take hugs as proof you aren’t ace
18) Having an awesome friend that you love in every way… except the way they really, really want you to.
19) “You’re not ace, you’re just shy/socially awkward”

There’s a bunch more.

I haven’t had to face all of these, but I know people who have. I’m super glad to have avoided 5 (with only a couple exceptions, which fortunately were not the genital people), but 3 is super obnoxious.

Especially when you’re under 30 going in to try and renew a prescription for birth control pills used to manage PCOS, and then having to spend 30 minutes convincing the OB that you aren’t sexually active, are a super low risk for cervical cancer, and you really don’t need a pap-smear this year.

Kale, still working on your super interesting question.

It might be a bit.