Over on the Ask The Red Pill subreddit, the regulars have come up with a new thing to hate about women: their alleged ignorance about penis size.
One Red Piller by the name of rumham730 touched off a discussion on this important issue with a plaintive query: “Why the hell do so many girls think normal sized dicks are “small”?”
Runham730 explains that he had just had a conversation with “this 18 yo bi girl at work” that left him fuming. After overhearing her say that “every guy I’ve been with was super small,” he asked
how small, and she responded with “idk like 5 or 6 inches.”
WHEN THE FUCK DID THE AVERAGE penis size become “super small”?
I have a 6 inch dick so yes this hurt my feelings a little bit even though this girl means nothing to me. …
It just pisses me off. The chick who said this has no tits at all, but yet if I made a comment about flat chested girls around her, you better believe I’d be considered an asshole. Yet girls can make snide remarks about “small” dicks all day long and no one bats an eye.
Well, except for the dudes who post angry rants about it online.
As it turns out, the alleged ignorance of women re dick size happens to be something of a sore point with the Ask the Red Pill regulars, many of whom have strong opinions on the matter.
StarDestinyGuy noted that
One girl I hooked up with said the last two boyfriends she had had 11″ dicks.
The odds of that are so small it’s practically 0.
They are ridiculously ignorant/oblivious on the topic of penis size.
IoSonCalaf seconded his notion:
Women really don’t understand dick size. Trust me. They have no idea what they’re talking about. Half the time they don’t even know what dress size they are
FrameWalker added
Yeah dude they don’t have any idea. Girls overestimated my size by three inches at times. I’m average. I think half inch variations feel like two inches to them.
Dude, I hate to break it to you, but those women weren’t confused or ignorant; they were being nice to you.
MightyTaint offered his own math:
Girls are dumb as hell when it comes to dick size. A guy with a 3″ will tell her it’s 5″ (just a little below average baby!). A 6″ guy will tell her it’s 8″. A 7″ guy will tell her it’s 10″.
If that girl thinks 5″ to 6″ is small, she is going to think a 7″ dick is really 10″. …
The only women who brag about fucking big dicks are whores.
InscrutablePUA delivered his verdict in the form of a numbered list:
1) They don’t know what the actual lengths and girths of the dicks they’ve had before were.
2) Level of dryness/expansion of the vagina affects how big a dick feels.
3) Girls are just lousy at estimating dick size because guys probably inflate their own dick sizes.
4) Remember that the bottom 50 perhaps 80% of men are invisible to women. If the top 20% of dick sizes are 7+ inches then that’s what they consider as ‘normal’.
Wait, what?
Since the men of the world don’t generally walk around with boners sticking out the front of their pants, how exactly can women even tell which men are in the top 20%, dick-size-wise?
MightyTaint offered a rather different assessment, arguing that a man’s alphaness matters more than his dick size.
If a guy really comes off as an alpha, she’ll convince herself his dick was twice as big as it was. It just has to be otherwise why is he so confidant? Typical rationalization.
Niczar went further, suggesting that
Dick size only matters if you’re ashamed of it. It’s always big enough when you’re making her choke on it.
Lovely.
Suck_My_Zarflog, meanwhile, reported that the gemlike hardness of his average-sized zarflog penis regularly fooled the ladies into thinking it was bugger than it really is.
My dick is average, 6.5 at most. However, I’m well known for having a huge dick because…my dick gets really hard, like really really hard. So when I’m fucking girls it feels more “intrusive” than some of the softer guys with 8″ that I’ve seen… Yes, I know this from experience 😉 Most bigger dicks can’t get as much blood into them and aren’t as hard.
awalt_cupcake raised the possibility that women today have developed an intricate dick-size-sharing network, ensuring that all women can learn in advance the penis size of any man they’re considering having sex with:
I dunno man girls lately keep tabs on guys with big dicks. How could they not? Snapchat, multi media texting to prove it, the immaturity of it all starting in highschool when Billy MonsterCockTM had sex with Sharon the captain of the cheerleading squad and she told all her friends who ended up telling the world.
But he’s come to terms with the size of his own penis:
In the end, it doesn’t matter. Unless you get surgery to make your soldier huge, you’re stuck with it. Make the foreplay and sex fun for you and it will be fun for her (unless she’s a slut) and move on with yourself.
Just remember: never get married.
Cyberdellic drew a rather different conclusion. As he sees it, his average-sized penis — “5.75 non bone pressed and 6.25 to6.5 bone pressed” — will never be enough to satisfy the shallow “hypergamous” women of the west:
we live in full hypergamy so women will literally drop the guy shes with at any moment if the next guy ‘ticks all the SAME boxes’ PLUS hes got a big dick…
this is why the words of Wu Tang ring true – lust em but never trust em
most women are evil cruel manipulative macheivellian creatures… its not entirely their fault either, media and other guys make small dick jokes constantly
ive been living MGTOW the past 6 weeks and every aspect of my life is greatly improved except im not getting laid….
so to answer your question
with the advent of tinder and women being able to get pummeled by a new dick in 30 min (24/7) women have seen a lot of dicks and want to get that ‘stretched out’ feeling that is a mix of pleasure AND pain
they like that
ill never be able to go deep or stretch them out like the other men theyve been with
the ONLY workable strategy ive come up with is to move to asia, eclusively approach tiny petite 19 yr olds whove never had foreign dick before and im trying to find a tight hole
Dude, stop worrying about your dick. Your dick is fine. It’s the person attached to your dick that’s the problem.
“Women are so stupid and terrible; they have no idea how big penises are because we guys always over-estimate our size.”
Literally any excuse to blame women, even for something they admit is their fault.
“the ONLY workable strategy ive come up with is to move to asia, eclusively approach tiny petite 19 yr olds whove never had foreign dick before and im trying to find a tight hole”
Here’s a person who appears to have confused “being an enormous dick” with “having an enormous dick”.
Men’s expectations of women are affected by porn: women need to meet all those expectations!
Women’s expectations of men are affected by porn: THIS IS SO UNFAIR!!!
I am shocked that a Red Piller would even care about sex being “fun for her”.
What is there to say about this subject? It’s clearly just a manifestation of broader masculine insecurities that drive the entire “red pill” ethos in the first place. Fragile masculinity given the most obvious form.
It’s hard to believe they’re swimming around in this… stuff… like tadpoles in an increasingly scummy pond.
You know what’s sad here? A lot of what they’re saying is almost certainly true.
Women’s ideas about average size distorted by media/porn and men’s exaggeration of their own size? Probably.
The way a penis “performs” contributing to a perception of its size? I don’t doubt it.
But this being TRP, naturally they take these perfectly neutral, human factors and warp them into “Women are stupid and shallow and malicious and WHY DON’T THEY FALL DOWN AND WORSHIP ME AND MY DICK JUST FOR EXISTING?”
Best thread ever.
Thank you, David, you’ve made my day.
In my vast experience in technical support, we would call this a “problem located between the dick and the chair”.
kirbywarp, Dodom, and karalora-
Pretty much. It’s like, gawrsh, I wonder why the type of fresh out of high school and new to sex types these predators like to drool over might have unrealistic ideas of what penis sizes are like what with the unrealistic depictions and over fixation on big dicks in porn and men lying about what an average size is, much less their own size. It’s a complete mystery.
Ugh, it’s like the scam artists or “trolls” who are like “ha, you believed my deception of you, that makes you the real idiot”.
Also, yes, totally on the whole manosphere basically being just a whiny rant at the idea that the patriarchal control they desire also has negatives for them. They want all the benefits of having a strict hierarchal control system with prescriptive ideas of men and women, but none of the side-effects.
I really and truly don’t care. I’m genuinely sorry that this issue of size seems to preoccupy so many men.
I think, if I found myself single, I’d be tempted to seek out someone with the condition known as, “micropenis”. This is a real condition; if you’ve never heard of it, I recommend reading up on it.
Which is funny, because as a woman who talks to other women, I have only EVER heard the opposite — that women think guys are overly hung up on penis size, and they don’t really care that much.
This is more evidence for my theory that all the MRA dudes are basically lonely, alienated guys role-playing being stud muffins who have had enough sex with enough different women that they are all knowledgeable and jaded about it. They did not get these ideas from interaction with a single real woman. They got it from sitting around fantasizing with each other. (And also porn.) They fantasize about getting so much sex that they can afford to be super picky about who they will and will not sleep with. They fantasize about having such a great job that women will want to date them just for their money. And it’s all performance for the benefit of other dudes.
Think about it. That thread is LITERALLY a dick-measuring contest.
Possibly they don’t know so much about it because they’re experience is limited, because hypergamy (in the MRA context) and the cock carousel and the national penis length database are absurd fictions which exist only in minds of MRAs. If most of the penises you had seen were in porn, your view would tend to be somewhat skewed. Why would an 18 year old be knowledgeable about average penis length? There are plenty of girls that age who have never been with anyone.
“ive been living MGTOW the past 6 weeks and every aspect of my life is greatly improved except im not getting laid….”
I love this. LOL.
The obsession of dick size in general among men’s culture is absolutely fascinating to me because there is just this ever-present mythology that dick size is this oppressive barometer being used by women against men when the reality is that almost only men are the only ones obsessing about it.
Like, most women I know who do PIV or PIA intercourse with biococks really aren’t a fan of giant penises. Because unless you have a fetish for being filled or torn apart (which I’ve known a small few and to them cock-size is important), it’s just so often uncomfortable and leads to easy pinching or can even just not fit in. Plus there’s the fact that all the major internal nerve endings are pretty close to the front and the deeper you go, the more likely to hit “ouch no” type of nerves instead. And the fact that play with the clitoris in general tends to be a bigger hit more often than not.
But any woman that tries to tell these men that or note that more women would be happier if they listened to what women wanted and were more willing to do things like oral that aren’t as easy to make into heteroperformative boasts for their fellow men tends to get ignored or actively silenced against this well-traded assumption that women are judging them all the time for their penis sizes and are as spending as much time as them fixating on how big or small all the other cocks around them are.
It’s like an impossible to break conspiracy theory because all the men doing it don’t want to admit it’s about an arbitrary system men came up with to represent their “manliness” to other men and to increase insecurities about masculinity rather than a thing the majority of people find sexually critical.
Probably a crazy thought, but perhaps women don’t go around obsessing about dick size all the time?
Yep, the 6 weeks MGTOW was the best part of the post. A whole 6 weeks!
So, it is the women who are stupid for believing guys when they lie.
MRAs are full of abuser logic, of course. But this is, I don’t know…scammer logic? “If you believe what I say, you deserve to be mocked, ridiculed, and scammed.”
What are the bets that in a few days or weeks, there will be a thread complaining about how women are too suspicious of them and just never trust them? It is like if you lie a lot and establish a precedent for dishonesty, then no one takes you seriously any more. SHOCKING.
mcjuliek-
It’s about the homosocial support of their fellow men. Toxic masculinity demands you be a “stud” by having lots of sex with lots of women, but also demands you act in a way that makes most women run screaming in the other direction, and also treats those who do have more sex by acting caring towards their partners as honorary women who should be shunned.
So it’s in their best interest to act like douchebags to keep their cred with the other obsessed with toxic masculinity assholes they hang with and just invent a super awesome and amazing backstory of sexual prowess that they could be doing more if “girls weren’t so annoying, amirite” and other excuses.
And that also leads to even more toxicity, because the men not getting laid because they are openly misogynistic and unpleasant start seeing how their fellow unpleasant men are “getting laid” supposedly and so are more likely to double down in order to not be seen as some “not having sex”er or invent massive conspiracy theories of why women are deliberately trying to “feminize” them to their shared culture of complete fuckweasels.
And those who feel that their “not getting laid”ness might get revealed to their fellow members in the toxic stew are more willing to listen to predators and rapists who have tales of “getting laid” without actually caring about their partners or any of that “femme stuff” (because they are being rapists) on how to walk the tightrope of the demands toxic masculinity is making on them.
And to the rest of us, we just get the toxic boiling over of this self-enforcing wasteland of male resentment and entitlement.
I find it impossible to read this sentence without hearing it in Davis Aurini’s voice.
This distills to “I’m very angry that women believe us when we lie about the size of our cocks.” That’s actually, literally the complaint.
And you can guarantee that despite their complaints about men adding an inch, every last one of them added at least two. Because if they weren’t hypocrites, they wouldn’t be MRAs.
Funnily enough I was just remembering the time (MANY years ago) I had quite a degree of pain (no really not nice) during and a HORRIFIC bout of cystitis after having PIV sex with a man who was very large. Put me right off.
And the obsession always seems to be with length – but surely if it’s excessively long that’s more of a problem than otherwise?
My various intimate partners have all suggested that if they had a choice between a ten-inch cock or a five-inch one of greater than average girth, they’d go for the latter every time, for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with even the tiniest knowledge of female anatomy.
@Cerberus
It really is a self-reinforcing vicious circle. I wish I knew how to break people out of it.