Regarding the feral cats, I presently have 4 cats indoors and one porch-dweller. All were neighborhood cats of uncertain provenance when they found my house, and all but one volunteered to join the household. That last one, Tristen, was the genuinely feral one, and we live-trapped him to get him inside because he was both freezing and starving while living in our back yard. It took him about 6 months of watching everyone ELSE get petted over breakfast to decide he wanted to try that, and he’s been my lap kitty ever since. Yes, ferals can be tamed.
freemage
8 years ago
Florkje: I’m not saying you’re totally wrong, but the behavior involved generally is directed ONLY at women. To continue your analogy, when this guy walks into a mailbox, he’s still going to go kick a lamppost, because in his mind, lampposts are for kicking.
So it’s still a very misogynistic worldview, even if he’s not consciously considering the woman as a desired goal.
Ellesar
8 years ago
Florkje – I don’t agree. That only works if a man is doing it with other men around – my experience was much more of being sidled up to or approached when few people were around. As for ‘pain of rejection’ – do you really think that approaches like the above described are really employed with a genuine expectation of success?
If a man makes a reasonably respectful approach and is rejected rudely then maybe, but saying outrageous things is just to provoke, and I cannot seriously believe that that kind of men is then hurt by the inevitable rejection.
I agree that in some ways it is not directly hateful – it is more the contempt by someone who thinks you are less than nothing – but that is still misogynistic.
Regarding the feral cats, I presently have 4 cats indoors and one porch-dweller. All were neighborhood cats of uncertain provenance when they found my house, and all but one volunteered to join the household. That last one, Tristen, was the genuinely feral one, and we live-trapped him to get him inside because he was both freezing and starving while living in our back yard. It took him about 6 months of watching everyone ELSE get petted over breakfast to decide he wanted to try that, and he’s been my lap kitty ever since. Yes, ferals can be tamed.
Florkje: I’m not saying you’re totally wrong, but the behavior involved generally is directed ONLY at women. To continue your analogy, when this guy walks into a mailbox, he’s still going to go kick a lamppost, because in his mind, lampposts are for kicking.
So it’s still a very misogynistic worldview, even if he’s not consciously considering the woman as a desired goal.
Florkje – I don’t agree. That only works if a man is doing it with other men around – my experience was much more of being sidled up to or approached when few people were around. As for ‘pain of rejection’ – do you really think that approaches like the above described are really employed with a genuine expectation of success?
If a man makes a reasonably respectful approach and is rejected rudely then maybe, but saying outrageous things is just to provoke, and I cannot seriously believe that that kind of men is then hurt by the inevitable rejection.
I agree that in some ways it is not directly hateful – it is more the contempt by someone who thinks you are less than nothing – but that is still misogynistic.
But how is that not misogynistic?
This can be true at times, but a lot of harassing and aggressive behavior happens when there is no other man around.
Thanks all for the replies. You do have some points there. I’ll go chew on them for a bit. And it is indeed misogynistic what they do.
Unbearable….that’s the word you meant