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“Feminists you should be F***ING SHOT,” and other insights from Scott Adams’ fans

Belle Starr: Proof that women run the world?
Belle Starr: Proof that women run the world?

So our dear old friend Scott Adams has responded to my recent post on him by declaring it “Pathetic Outragism” and me an “Outragist.” He also strongly suggested that I was a stupidhead. Which is a step up, I suppose, from calling me fat, which is the go-to response of many of those I’ve written about.

Adams’ fans, a tiny army of whom showed up here after Adams linked to it, haven’t been quite so polite, leaving behind some comments that I haven’t let out of moderation. But I thought I’d share a few of them with you all.

“You, sir, are an imbecile of the first order,” wrote one. “P Z Myers is a c**t,” wrote another, perhaps a little confused as to what blog he was on. (And no, the original comment didn’t contain asterisks.)

But it was a fellow calling himself John Doe (but using an email account with a woman’s name) that really took the terribleness cake. I’ve broken his huge wall of text up a bit.

CONTENT WARNING: Domestic abuse, gaslighting, genocide, you name it.

Adams is so great. Fuck all you dirty piece of shit feminists you should be FUCKING SHOT or sterilized. or sent to a rehabilitation facility.

Well, I’ll give him this: he gets right to the point.

You should lose your right to vote. Ignorance is dangeorus. and Feminism is evil ignorance. Feminism is not about equal rights and has not been for many decades. Maybe if this was the 1960s america you could say something to me, but now you can shove it up your fucking ass. Fuck american womena nd fuck feminism.

When I started this blog I really had no idea that there were still people around who think women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Turns out there are a lot of them.

Men will stop getting marreid more and more. THe spawn of the MGTOW groups are evidence of this.

I’m not sure that these guys leaving the dating pool is quite the catastrophe for women that MGTOWs think it is.

The government is getting what they want. People to stop breeding.

Uh, I’m pretty sure that the government, at least here in the US, is not terribly interested in stopping people from “breeding.” Hell, the IRS actually gives parents an assortment of tax breaks.

But it turns out that Mr. Doe doesn’t actually think it’s a bad idea to, er, reduce the population of planet earth. Specifically by shooting feminists.

I think every feminist should be sent to a labor camp or imprisoned or shot dead. I don’t care. You are scum and if you are not capable of changing you should lose your right to live. All humans are a burden to the earth, but Feminists are a burden to all humans and everything else, especially men.

This seems harsh.

Women are treated like children and coddled with kid gloves and in some ways you always have been.

[citation needed]

Even in 1890 there was a female bandit in the west that did crazy shit and got away with it for years. But there were men that did the same that were shot dead instantly.

An odd example, but I guess that’s as close to a citation as we’ll get. Presumably he means Belle Starr, who had a long career as a bandit in the “wild west” before being shot to death, possibly by her husband, possibly by a dude who was mad she wouldn’t dance with him. (No, really, those were two of the prime suspects.)

After this short digression, Doe returns to his main themes:

And men have always fought the wars. Women rarely in any society ever had to do so. You got to stay home. You got the easier job.

Women have been working, in the home and out of it, since the dawn of time. They have also been victims of war.

The rant then takes another dark turn:

The only way now for a normal guy to have a healthy relationship with a girl under 30 in the new generation is to scare the shit out of your woman and make her fear you and make her think you will end her life if she tries to screw you over. That is the only way to keep them in line from being destructive bitches. And even then you might have to sit them down and threaten them now and then.

This is abuse 101, though not terribly different from “dread game” as promoted by Heartiste and other pickup artists.

I had to, i’ve had to with the last girl i dated. all the time.

I can only hope he’s talking out of his ass here.

Look what happened when i didn’t. She told her friend i was a drug dealer simply because she was jealous she liked me. She publically slandered me. So i used her took her virginity which honestly id trade for her hotter friend at this point.

What a romantic!

Unless you are rich and powerful and good looking youre only real option to have a good time and enough control that you can relax is to scare the shit out of these girls, find some way to blackmail them or scare them and use it. That is the only way.

Today I Learned that “healthy” heterosexual relationships are only possible if the man is rich and/or abusive.

Even without me saying any of this it remains true and feminism has destroyed the country and everyone born from the 90s onward.

And once again an opponent of feminism demonstrates clearly why feminism is necessary.

Doe had some words for me as well:

David Futrelle is a piece of shit beta male and should lose his right to vote among other freedoms for supporting such a piece of shit ideology.

Apparently the only people Doe thinks should be allowed to vote are men who hate women.

The US and Canada and most 1st world countries are female dominated all the way up to the super rich who then are the men having power but everyone who is not rich is ruled and controlled by females if they want any kind of success. Period.

Yeah, that’s not actually how it works.

Unless you do as I was saying before, find a way to scare a girl and blackmail her into doing what you want. Because even if she likes you, even if you are perfect for her, she would rather run away and flirt with many other guys and fuck things up. So scare her into submission.

If you hate women so much that your notion of a “healthy” heterosexual relationship is one in which the man is so abusive that the woman literally fears for her life. here’s a thought: Don’t date women. Don’t come near them. Seek treatment for your fucked-up ideas.

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leftwingfox
9 years ago

Yes, you can at least try to control your fans and associates. If I learned my fans went after a critic with harassment, threats, rape-wishing, or bigotry, I could do one of the following:

a) Call out he bad behavior specifically, and say that is completely unacceptable. Full stop. If you do that and call yourself a fan, stop doing both, because I want nothing to do with you.

b) Pretend nothing happened.

c) Whine as if YOU were the one being accused of harassment, threats, rape-wishing or bigotry, and double down on making the victim the villain.

Option A can at least potentially disincentive the behavior of your followers. Option B will ensure it happens again. Option C is the summary of Gamergate’s existence.

leftwingfox
9 years ago

(Ps.) sorry about the perspective shift in the above argument. I’m used to using “you” as the default hypothetical, and have been trying to switch to “I” to see if that makes them seem less like a personal attack, but I sometimes revert, and don’t proof-read as clearly as I should.

contrapangloss
9 years ago

Yes on the being a Stargate fan.

However, I’ll need to get back to you on whether or not we are fellows. Not to be suspicious or anything, but when you pop in just to drop “Are you sure you’re being fair” comments while simultaneously naming yourself after one someone who (I think we can both admit) enjoys trolling the team a little too much…

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg4dcl8v3q1qd13vb.gif

…I’m reserving judgement until after a bit longer of an observation period.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

WWTH — pretty sure you’re right.

Za_Docta
Za_Docta
9 years ago

That’s outragist.

Newt
Newt
9 years ago

Why do you think I have this outragist accent?

Flint
Flint
9 years ago

“I think every feminist should be sent to a labor camp or imprisoned or shot dead. I don’t care. You are scum and if you are not capable of changing you should lose your right to live. All humans are a burden to the earth, but Feminists are a burden to all humans and everything else, especially men.”

>Doe: Feminists are Nazis!
>*Doe wants to send American women and/or feminists to concentration camps.*

shay simmons
shay simmons
9 years ago

You can be a physically unattractive man and still get dates. Two of my longest relationships when I was single were with guys who weren’t Adonis’ by any stretch of the imagination. If you are both physically unattractive and very unpleasant I don’t give much for your chances, though.

Robert
Robert
9 years ago

I went to the Adams blog to see how he’d extricate himself from the Stygian bog he’d stepped in.
When I saw the term ‘rationality engine’, I had a distinct suspicion about what was coming. In short, he shot an arrow, then painted the target around it, and declared victory – excuse me, TKS*. I could practically smell the plomeek soup through the screen.

*He is unwearyingly fond of the in-jokes he’s made up. Tactical Kill Shot, meaning “I think that I’ve won, and will not hear anything telling me I haven’t.”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ leftwingfox

To just go into evil corporate lawyer mode for a second, I would always advise someone with a public profile to *never* comment on the behaviour of their fans; and certainly never to actually tell them how they should behave.

The problem with doing that is there is a risk of creating wither the perception of, or actual, vicarious liability for their actions.

Consider for example if one of your fans does commit some atrocity purportedly in accordance with you comments. There are various forms of vicarious liability that put you at risk of civil suit and similar criminal provisions about incitement or encouragement.

If you’ve never engaged with your fans you can say “nothing to do with me”, if however you have then you are (a) admitting you have some form of responsibility for them and (b) you leave yourself to exposure if you don’t address *every* aspect of your fandom (“You never condemned that action so you must have approved of it” sort of thing).

Oliver_C
Oliver_C
9 years ago

Crappy cartoonist who draws a crappy cartoon strip says what?

There’s more artistry in a single panel of ‘Peanuts’ or ‘Calvin & Hobbes’ than there is in all the worthless decades of ‘Dilbert’.

Aris Boch
9 years ago
Reply to  Oliver_C

@Oliver_C | November 26, 2015 at 10:53 am
I doubt you would’ve said that, if he didn’t made this controversial … or rather idiotic statements in his blog. You know, it is completely possible to enjoy things an artist creates while thinking, that the artist itself is a complete asshole (e.g. enjoy Wagner without forgetting, that he was a raving antisemite or reading HP Lovercrafts stuff even though he was a racist, antisemite and a few other nasty adjectives).

katz
katz
9 years ago

Alan: Sorry, dude, that’s bullshit. If you let people you have major influence over act like douchenozzles because you’re afraid of your liability, you’re a rubbish person.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
9 years ago

Yeah, um, no. You can totally say “guys, stop being sexist fucks” and not get “you didn’t tell them not to be racist” thrown at you in court. You might as well be saying “don’t have a comment policy”.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

From a legal point of view, of course Alan is right. From a moral point of view, of course katz is right. Law has nothing to do with morality and it is foolish for us to suppose otherwise.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

As much as it sucks ass (read: All the ass, ever), remember when Palin’s little crosshair stunt accidentally-on-purpose caused Gabby Giffords’ shooting and barely anybody even noticed?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ Argenti et al

You can totally say “guys, stop being sexist fucks” and not get “you didn’t tell them not to be racist” thrown at you in court

Ah, but consider if your followers engaged in a racially motivated crime and we’re now in court trying to make you responsible.

You can’t deny that you endorsed their racism. We know that if there is something you don’t approve of, say sexism, you specifically address that. If you hadn’t wanted your fans to be racist you’d have told them; like you told them not to be sexist.

That’s the legal danger.

dhag85
9 years ago

@Alan

We know that if there is something you don’t approve of, say sexism, you specifically address that. If you hadn’t wanted your fans to be racist you’d have told them; like you told them not to be sexist.

So, if you’ve ever specifically told your fans not to rob a liquor store, you can be held accountable if they instead choose to rob a bank? That’s really how the law works?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ dhag

Bizarrely enough it could do.

Remember we’re talking about people addressing their fans’ comments rather than just making general statements. So if there was a dialogue along the lines:

Fan 1: “You’ve inspired me to rob a liquour store”

Fan 2: “I think it would be better to rob a bank”

Author: “Hey, I don’t want any of you to rob liquour stores”

You can perhaps see what a lawyer could do with that in court.

The above is maybe a daft example but you can maybe see how it applies to our original discussion:

Fan 1 “Women are such [slur]; someone should do something about them”

Fan 2 “No, it’s [ethic group] who are the real problem; they’re the ones who need sorting”

Author: “Hey Fan 1, I totally disagree with what you’re saying, cut that out.”

Fan 1 then stabs a woman and Fan 2 stabs a black person. The author is arrested for incitement/sued by the victims. No problem defending in the first case, but what about the second?

It’s a Catch 22 for the author. If he denies he has any influence over his fans then he can be asked why he told them what to do. If he responds that he recognises he has no influence but just wanted to make his own feelings clear than he’s admitting that, whilst he will condemn sexism he doesn’t have a problem with racism.

Hence my initial legal (rather then moral) advice that people should never address their purported followers’ behaviour.

Hope that makes sense.

dhag85
9 years ago

Honestly no it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I mean, I understand your words but I can’t quite wrap my head around the idea that you can be arrested for incitement to X by condemning an unrelated Y. This is one of the worst things I’ve ever heard.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ dhag

It’s only if you’re selective in your condemnation of specific things raised.

You could make an unsolicited blog post for example saying you’re against cruelty to donkeys and that can’t be interpreted as suggesting you approve of cruelty to other animals.

It only becomes an issue if you pick and choose in your responses to specific things your following says. Basically you can say nothing, which puts you in the clear or you must condemn every problematic comment. It’s when you only call out certain bad behaviour but not other types of bad behaviour that you expose yourself to risk.

dhag85
9 years ago

How would they go about proving the person has even seen the comments they didn’t condemn?

dhag85
9 years ago

I.e. if you make a blog post against cruelty to donkeys and in the comment section someone promotes cruelty to horses. You never respond to the comment about horses. Now you’ve incited cruelty to horses? Makes zero sense, it really doesn’t. Alan, fix this law before society collapses.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ dhag

It would be open to any court to draw inferences from analysis of the author’s response pattern. If it was seen that he/she hardly ever engaged in dialogue with their audience then it would be easy to argue that they didn’t pay much attention to comments.

If though, the pattern of responses showed that the author generally read all comments then it would be harder for them to suggest they hadn’t seen any particular one.

As for changing the law, as I mentioned on the shooting thread, lawyers just deal with the laws we’ve got. It’s the legislature that makes the things purportedly on behalf of the electorate, so it’s down to people to argue for change if that’s what they want. I’m not sure they do. I suspect the majority of people on this blog want Internet commentators to be held accountable for the behaviour of their followers.

Is that the case? Can we do a brief survey?

dhag85
9 years ago

I was joking about you changing the law.

I only want people to be held accountable for the behavior of their fans if they actually argue for their fans doing what they do, and/or if they show appreciation when their people do those things. For example, AVFM always portrays men murdering women as a good thing that needs to happen.

I would not be in favor of holding someone accountable for the behavior of their fans just because they never explicitly condemned that exact thing. Obviously.