So our dear old friend Scott Adams has responded to my recent post on him by declaring it “Pathetic Outragism” and me an “Outragist.” He also strongly suggested that I was a stupidhead. Which is a step up, I suppose, from calling me fat, which is the go-to response of many of those I’ve written about.
Adams’ fans, a tiny army of whom showed up here after Adams linked to it, haven’t been quite so polite, leaving behind some comments that I haven’t let out of moderation. But I thought I’d share a few of them with you all.
“You, sir, are an imbecile of the first order,” wrote one. “P Z Myers is a c**t,” wrote another, perhaps a little confused as to what blog he was on. (And no, the original comment didn’t contain asterisks.)
But it was a fellow calling himself John Doe (but using an email account with a woman’s name) that really took the terribleness cake. I’ve broken his huge wall of text up a bit.
CONTENT WARNING: Domestic abuse, gaslighting, genocide, you name it.
Adams is so great. Fuck all you dirty piece of shit feminists you should be FUCKING SHOT or sterilized. or sent to a rehabilitation facility.
Well, I’ll give him this: he gets right to the point.
You should lose your right to vote. Ignorance is dangeorus. and Feminism is evil ignorance. Feminism is not about equal rights and has not been for many decades. Maybe if this was the 1960s america you could say something to me, but now you can shove it up your fucking ass. Fuck american womena nd fuck feminism.
When I started this blog I really had no idea that there were still people around who think women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Turns out there are a lot of them.
Men will stop getting marreid more and more. THe spawn of the MGTOW groups are evidence of this.
I’m not sure that these guys leaving the dating pool is quite the catastrophe for women that MGTOWs think it is.
The government is getting what they want. People to stop breeding.
Uh, I’m pretty sure that the government, at least here in the US, is not terribly interested in stopping people from “breeding.” Hell, the IRS actually gives parents an assortment of tax breaks.
But it turns out that Mr. Doe doesn’t actually think it’s a bad idea to, er, reduce the population of planet earth. Specifically by shooting feminists.
I think every feminist should be sent to a labor camp or imprisoned or shot dead. I don’t care. You are scum and if you are not capable of changing you should lose your right to live. All humans are a burden to the earth, but Feminists are a burden to all humans and everything else, especially men.
This seems harsh.
Women are treated like children and coddled with kid gloves and in some ways you always have been.
[citation needed]
Even in 1890 there was a female bandit in the west that did crazy shit and got away with it for years. But there were men that did the same that were shot dead instantly.
An odd example, but I guess that’s as close to a citation as we’ll get. Presumably he means Belle Starr, who had a long career as a bandit in the “wild west” before being shot to death, possibly by her husband, possibly by a dude who was mad she wouldn’t dance with him. (No, really, those were two of the prime suspects.)
After this short digression, Doe returns to his main themes:
And men have always fought the wars. Women rarely in any society ever had to do so. You got to stay home. You got the easier job.
Women have been working, in the home and out of it, since the dawn of time. They have also been victims of war.
The rant then takes another dark turn:
The only way now for a normal guy to have a healthy relationship with a girl under 30 in the new generation is to scare the shit out of your woman and make her fear you and make her think you will end her life if she tries to screw you over. That is the only way to keep them in line from being destructive bitches. And even then you might have to sit them down and threaten them now and then.
This is abuse 101, though not terribly different from “dread game” as promoted by Heartiste and other pickup artists.
I had to, i’ve had to with the last girl i dated. all the time.
I can only hope he’s talking out of his ass here.
Look what happened when i didn’t. She told her friend i was a drug dealer simply because she was jealous she liked me. She publically slandered me. So i used her took her virginity which honestly id trade for her hotter friend at this point.
What a romantic!
Unless you are rich and powerful and good looking youre only real option to have a good time and enough control that you can relax is to scare the shit out of these girls, find some way to blackmail them or scare them and use it. That is the only way.
Today I Learned that “healthy” heterosexual relationships are only possible if the man is rich and/or abusive.
Even without me saying any of this it remains true and feminism has destroyed the country and everyone born from the 90s onward.
And once again an opponent of feminism demonstrates clearly why feminism is necessary.
Doe had some words for me as well:
David Futrelle is a piece of shit beta male and should lose his right to vote among other freedoms for supporting such a piece of shit ideology.
Apparently the only people Doe thinks should be allowed to vote are men who hate women.
The US and Canada and most 1st world countries are female dominated all the way up to the super rich who then are the men having power but everyone who is not rich is ruled and controlled by females if they want any kind of success. Period.
Yeah, that’s not actually how it works.
Unless you do as I was saying before, find a way to scare a girl and blackmail her into doing what you want. Because even if she likes you, even if you are perfect for her, she would rather run away and flirt with many other guys and fuck things up. So scare her into submission.
If you hate women so much that your notion of a “healthy” heterosexual relationship is one in which the man is so abusive that the woman literally fears for her life. here’s a thought: Don’t date women. Don’t come near them. Seek treatment for your fucked-up ideas.
Like I just wrote in the other thread, it’ll be a couple days before I get to start Jessica Jones, but I’ve been a Kristen Ritter (think I misspelled that) fan since Don’t Trust the B in Apartment 23. What a great and underrated show that was. James Van Der Beek was actually great too.
Yeah, there’s been a lot of slavery throughout human history, and the Atlantic slave trade is quite possibly the most brutal form. Roman slaves would often be treated quite well and frequently got formally freed and continued to work for the same person as freedmen; former slaves of Augustus provided much of the early Imperial bureaucracy. Or they might strike out on their own and become respectable merchants, sometimes becoming spectacularly wealthy in the process.
But ultimately, that was all because their masters decided to let them. A lot of prominent figures spoke out against brutality, calling it both cruel and an ineffectual motivator, but there weren’t any laws actually prohibiting torture or murder at the slightest provocation or for no reason at all.
I’ve been wondering myself if there’s been any MRA backlash against the show. Kilgrave is just the sort of person they would elevate to godhood.
Right, I totally believe you would have sympathized with feminists back when they “only” wanted equal pay.
Hmm, but don’t really really rich people pay people to do the grocery shopping? Grocery shopping is a chore. I bet he thinks women are the real home owners because they get to do all the cleaning…
I did ask him if maids are wealthier than the people hiring maids, but I’m kind of tired of trying to make sense of his posts so I’m not going to go back and see if I got a response.
I’m sure Adams honestly feels his post has been misrepresented, and the rape stuff wasn’t intentional; it comes from him not putting any deep thought into how any of his ideas would actually work. I think his argument, as he meant it, is something like this:
–Men are oppressed everywhere in the world because they can’t have sex with women on demand. In “matriarchal” societies like the U.S., they can’t have sex on demand because women have the freedom to say no. In “patriarchal” societies like ISIS-controlled territories, they can’t have sex on demand because more powerful men have taken all the women as sex slaves. In the balance, it’s better for men to live in “matriarchal” societies because they have a higher chance of eventually getting laid, but they’re still totally oppressed. The point is, terrorism is caused by men getting such painful blue balls they have to go blow things up.–
This is all a lead-in to his genius killer-app proposal for ending terrorism, which is to helpfully point out to the terrorists that their leaders are the ones responsible for their failure to get laid, at which point the terrorists will slap themselves on the foreheads for not noticing that, rise up against ISIS management, and take the sex slaves for themselves. PROBLEM SOLVED, for everyone except the sex slaves, but they’re just women so who cares. (This is one of a long series of posts where Adams proposes cartoonishly simplistic solutions to complex global problems, then congratulates himself for cutting through yet another Gordian knot. It is not a huge surprise that he thinks Donald Trump is a great political mind.)
Most of the people horrified by the post got hung up on the whole “it’s so unfair a woman can keep her legs closed even after a man GETS HER A DRINK FROM THE FRIDGE LIKE A GODDAMN SLAVE” thing, and also the “men who don’t hugs from ladies have no choice but to go on murder sprees” thing, while glossing over the twenty thousand other wrong things. Adams doesn’t intend for his whining about women to be the crux of the essay (in fact he feels it was really enlightened of him to stick up for the “matriarchy”), so in his mind everyone missed his point.
What he doesn’t seem to understand is a) when you stick a bunch of rape apologia in the middle of an essay, that’s going to be a tad distracting, and b) his point is also stupid.
Re: slavery
I think the “ownership” aspect is a good defining factor. There are exceptions to all the other things we’ve looked at. Roman slaves could own property and earn money (the legal status of that is complex and changed over time). There were also public slaves.
Interestingly Roman law regarded slavery as “contrary to the natural state of freedom” showing perhaps that they recognised that slavery was an abhorrent thing.
There was a surprising amount of social mobility in ancient Rome. Slave to senator in 3 generations was by no means unusual. There’s a great story about one ex slave who rose to very high rank in government. Some senators wished to embarrass him by awarding him a pension (to highlight his background). It transpired he was one of the wealthiest men in Rome. He declined the pension saying he preferred to live in his humble poverty.
Adams’s hateful views are a massive shame. I only got into Dilbert a few months ago, now from his articles I’ve learnt the truth- never reading again. Any sign of Adams condemning his commenter’s views?
I’m almost certain this ‘John Doe’ is purposely exaggerating- trying to be as hateful as he can possibly be, out of some kind of raving fanboy-like obsession with Adams- it comes across as trying waaaaaay too hard! I’ve no doubt he’s a disgusting person of course.
Off topic- anyone (in UK) seen the advert for the new Reggie Yates thing from BBC3- looks like he’s tackling anti-feminism. This one guy’s like ‘you’re all seen as rapists’ and Reggie looks at the camera with a look that sort of says ‘what the hell is this guy on?’
To be honest, I think Scott Adams knew exactly what he was saying, he simply doesn’t care that it makes him sounds like a hateful little bigot. Why would anyone think that they’ll win people over with that attitude?!
That’s fucked up severe… But this article also smacks of the association fallacy (which is implied rather than stated. There’s only so much you can do to control, who your fans are).
I don’t think there’s any ‘fallacy’ here. This blog often treats us to special edition posts about messed up stuff that didn’t make it through moderation for us to pick at. The context to this one was the recent post about Addams and the sort of angry response it summoned. Angry, misogynistic, abusive response.
@Orion,
Neither. The guy who wrote “P Z Myers is a c**t” to David is the one blinded by rage.
@Leda Atomica | November 24, 2015 at 5:32 pm
If it didn’t made it through moderation, how’d you know about it?
@Aris Boch,
‘Cuz David posted it. That’s what this thread is. 2nd paragraph:
“Adams’ fans, a tiny army of whom showed up here after Adams linked to it, haven’t been quite so polite, leaving behind some comments that I haven’t let out of moderation. But I thought I’d share a few of them with you all.”
@Aris Boch
You wrote:
Leda Atomica wrote:
Step 1: Read
Step 2: Comment
Don’t skip step 1! It’s one of the most important steps.
I see, but that still doesn’t mean, that he really can control, who his fans are.
My question is always, if you’re unattractive and so can’t date, why on earth does that inspire such anger? According to the theory, these guys aren’t rich or hot enough to get laid, because of those richer, hotter guys out there. But that is explicitly THEIR OWN PROBLEM. They said it themselves: they are too ugly to date! The appropriate emotional response is self-pity, not anger!
Adams doesn’t control his fans, but if his fans tend to be awful, that says something about Adams. Like attracts like. I’m betting n9 Mammotheers posted a comment on Adams’ blog about how he and/or his readers should be murdered.
Aris Boch,
I know it’s stupid grammar stuff that really shouldn’t bother me and poor comma usage has absolutely no impact on whether or not your points are valid…
…but you use too many commas.
And it’s bugging me.
I know it’s extraordinarily stupid and pedantic of me, but the commas.
No. Where did n9 come from? Oh, phone.
@ Aris Boch:
“I see, but that still doesn’t mean, that he really can control, who his fans are.”
I’m not sure why you keep bringing this up, since the point isn’t that Scott Adams is terrible because his fans are terrible.
The earlier blog post was about Scott Adams being terrible because he says terrible things.
This blog post is about the terrible comments that didn’t make it through moderation (and I know about them because they were in fact included in this post, same way you know about them).
Both stand as terrible in their own glory of terribleness.
@contrapangloss | November 24, 2015 at 6:31 pm
I know, I’m terrible, with, commas, in, English,
Fallacies are not bad, except in formal logic. Fallacies are often very good arguments. Maybe I should say good IN arguments. They’re good as questions or challenges. You can’t claim that they prove anything, but you can ask people to account for them.
For instance: Argument from authority. You should not say “Dr. Roe has a PHD in Physics, so whatever she says about physics must be true.” Or, “you don’t have a PHD in physics, so your theories about physics must be wrong.” But you absolutely should say, “You’re telling me A, but Dr. Roe, PHD, says not-A. Are you saying that Dr. Roe is wrong? If so, why should I believe that you, as a layman, know better than an academic specialized in the field.”
Same goes for guilt-by-association. You should not say “Mr. Doe gets retweeted by Nazis, so he must be a bad person.” You should absolutely say, ‘Mr. Doe, have you noticed that many of your fans are Nazis? Why do you think Nazis resonate with your message. Is this a case of ‘even a stopped Nazi is right twice a day,’ or do they only like you because you’ve failed to clearly communicate your position?”
Seriously, Aris?
At least try not to be a pain in the mik’ta.
@contrapangloss | November 24, 2015 at 7:29 pm
Oh, a fellow Stargate fan? Always happy to meet one.
IIRC Aris has made some trolling, or at least obnoxious comments here before.