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New Theory: Feminists argue with misogynists online because they are desperate for male attention

 

The Dark Triad: Pretty much a synonym for "giant douchebag."
The Dark Triad: Pretty much a synonym for “giant douchebag.”

So I was skimming my way through the comment section on a recent Telegraph article on MRAs and the Red Pill. Naturally, the comment section was filled to overflowing with angry comments from an assortment of familiar MRA and “Red Pill” names. I happened to notice some, well, intriguing contributions to the discussion from a fellow I didn’t know: DarkTriadMan, first name, Ivan.

Though he avoids the “red-pill, blue-pill” lingo that so fascinates so many reactionary. woman-hating doofballs, Ivan Adultman — sorry, Ivan DarkTriadMan — basically thinks we live in the Matrix:

The dark world is lit from age to age with the light of reason and progress, with technology and science, and our creature comforts are blinding. But the reality is quite different. Western civilization is nothing more than a teasing curtain, increasingly ridiculous and tottering, drawn over the dark world that remains as the base nature of creation.

How can a curtain be “teasing” or “tottering,” much less both at the same time?

But never mind, because Ivan DarkTriadMan opens this “teasing curtain” to reveal the DARK TRUTHS about women. Or at least about the teenage girls he fantasizes about having sex with.

Dear readers, if you’re not in the mood to read some seriously skeevy, rapey shit, you should probably skip the next quote.

The half-dozen teenage girls twittering and chatting and giggling over their cellphones and taking selfies of their perfect clothes and bodies and hair are an illusion. The reality after the power goes out is that they are a huddled group of frightened, beaten commodities kept for the amusement of the warlord and any of his men he chooses to reward. They don’t giggle and take selfies and they don’t dare talk back when they are told to present their naked rears.

Um, what? Somehow i doubt that the readers of the Telegraph are much interested in hearing about the creepy Gorean sexual fantasies of one Ivan DarkTriadMan.

But apparently he doesn’t think his creepy sexual fantasies are creepy — or, for that matter,fantasies.

Nope. Ivan DarkTriadMan is convinced that teenage girls taking selfies, feminists who find him repellent, and presumably every other woman in the world, are all secretly in lust with the giant hunk of man that is DarkTriadMan.

As he explains in another comment, feminists (or maybe all women?)

change from whining to salivating at the drop of a hat when the male they truly desire walks past. You cannot change biology, although you can layer over it with false, blathering frippery.

Yeah, that’s right, even those man-hating feminist harpies are totally into him.

Such creatures as our local feminist thrive on the concern and disgust of men. It is through such engagement they find value, as the engagement and attention of men is not otherwise available to them on the open sexual market that forms the basis of human interactions.

I’ll let Jennifer Lawrence handle this one.

jennifer-lawrence-10

Presumably, when feminist women post comments on message boards mocking him for “living in your own weird little world” and noting that “you talk about women like you have never spoken to one,” they’re just flirting.

They totally want the DarkTriadMan.

PS: I’m not sure what sort of “frippery” DarkTriadMan was talking about, but some of you might enjoy this Frippery. Well, Frippertronics, to be more precise.

 

 

 

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Phil Sandifer
5 years ago

Ah, neoreactionaries. Because what misogyny really needed was an apocalyptic bent.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

What is this I don’t even

Well, I do have seen “dark enlightned” type before. But he seem to believe we live in the porno version of Mad Max.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I like the word frippery. I wish this creep wouldn’t corrupt it.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

And he’s writing this because he’s desperately trying to convince himself that somewhere, some woman, is into him.

C’mon, man, two can play at this “psychoanalize your opponent when you know fuck all about them” game.

hedin
hedin
5 years ago

Because if there’s one thing that feminists always complain about, it’s not getting enough unsolicited attention from skeezy men.

Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

So when Antifeminists and other manospherians try to harass, etc women/girls and feminists they want our attention and they’re flirting? They totally want us you guys. Well I don’t blame them a lot of us are pretty awesome but still
http://media.giphy.com/media/KZvT5AWF4ADAI/giphy.gif

Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

hedin | November 20, 2015 at 1:19 pm
“Because if there’s one thing that feminists always complain about, it’s not getting enough unsolicited attention from skeezy men.”

Thats what “skeezy men” do, they say women and girls love it to excuse their behavior and let’s them continue to do it. That’s where the “women are emotional” and “women don’t know what they want” comes from.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Orrr… We argue with them because they keep showing up here. More projection, yes?

katz
katz
5 years ago

Every time a guy identifies as “dark triad,” I like to imagine he wets the bed.

Sarah
Sarah
5 years ago

Counterpoint: There are plenty of feminists that long ago lost any interest in arguing with the likes of you, darling. We prefer to mock you from a safe distance (one where we won’t get flecked with your rage-spittle).

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@SFHC
It’s because they want us, don’t ya know? They want to have sex with us, and they want to be assured that we care about them personally (when we say we don’t hate men), and they want us to take care of them, and be their mother, and their wife, and thei sex-slave, all in one neat little package, because they have mommy issues. And I’ll go further and say that they want specifically feminists, because they think we’re playing hard to get, and of course men loooooooooooove that. Competing for a mate was hardwired into male’s brains ever since the dinossaurs! It is truths!

I see why this guy was running his mouth off- this is fun!

Judas Peckerwood
Judas Peckerwood
5 years ago

Time for the authorities to dig up this guy’s basement.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Nope, can’t, won’t. Answers what to watch though — X-Men something with Jennifer Lawrence and the swoon worthy James McAvoy. Because seriously, nobody wants to date the human embodiment of toilet paper. I’ll take charming smart guys, ymmv.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

Feminist: I want a society where women aren’t judged only by their looks and sexual conduct.

MRA: You’re an ugly slut who just wants male attention!!

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

Actually, he sounds like the (not yet officially recognized) Dark Tetradist. The fourth factor is sadism.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

And when the power goes out, Ivan DarkTriadMan will be just another serf being taxed and conscripted and worked to death growing food for the warlord. That’s if he’s lucky, and doesn’t actually become food for the warlord.

I love how these edgelords think being an asshole with an active fantasy life is enough to automatically grant them post-apocalypse sultanhood and access to the harem of their choice. If he’s not at the top now, and can barely tolerate modern day life without his daily internet rage rants, I don’t think the apocalypse is going to be kind to him. It would be interesting to drop this guy in the middle of the north woods in June and watch him try to survive. All the gym lifting and Sun Tzu quotes in the world are useless out in the wild for a person who lacks common sense, maturity, and observational skills.

One also wonders how those giggling selfie teenagers are going to maintain their attractiveness and fertility when there’s no more makeup, no more fashionable clothes, no more skin and hair care products, sporadic food, and primitive health care.

change from whining to salivating at the drop of a hat when the male they truly desire walks past.

Because pointing out the bad behavior of some men means you forever abdicate your right to find other men attractive.

Got that, everyone? If you find a spot on your banana, you are now officially a banana hater and may not ever eat, or covet, another banana.

Don’t like this gory horror movie with lousy dialogue and bad acting? Well then, you can’t ever go see another one!

freemage
5 years ago

Okay, so let’s run this down. If a woman is nice to him, she’s obviously into him. If she ignores him, she’s just trying to conceal her interest in him. And if she engages him hostilely, she must be into him because she obviously wants his attention.

This technique (usually in the form of a coin-toss under the rules, “Heads I win; tails you lose”), often works on 4-year-olds, from what I remember of my brother’s kids growing up. Around 6, they usually have it figured out.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@Buttercup

The reality after the power goes out is that they are a huddled group of frightened[…]

I originally thought that “after the power goes out” was a metaphor for “underneath it all”. Is he seriously suggesting that there will be an apocalypse soon? And that, from the ashes of our crumbled civilization (I’m trying to sound like a manospherian here), a powerful lord (can’t be a lady; ladies don’t lift) will rise? And that this lord will “fuck all the bishies”? Is that what he’s saying? Because this sounds like a plot for a hentai.

Also, yes, to be on the safe side, when trying to imagine scenarios like this, always imagine that you will suffer the worst possible fate, not the best.

littleknown
littleknown
5 years ago

Yeah, every time I read that “power goes out” / “teenage girls” / “naked rears” fantasy, all I can think is, “This guy really, really wishes he could be an ISIS fighter gifted with orphaned child sex slaves.”

Dreamer
Dreamer
5 years ago

I argue with MRA’s online because of others online. I want them to see MRA’s go rabid.

mcjuliek
mcjuliek
5 years ago

The rhetorical style reminds me strongly of a certain group of dolorous and frothing canines who hijacked the Hugo awards this year — it takes “trying way too hard to sound like an intellectual and failing” to a whole new level of pretentious drivel. The combination of blithering incoherence with florid old-timey word choices like “frippery” is moderately hilarious, I suppose.

Also, did you ever notice how dudes who fantasize about what badasses they’ll be after the apocalypse are inevitably lazy, out-of shape keyboard jockeys? They’re not badasses NOW, what on earth do they think is going to happen after we lose modern technological infrastructure? Warlords and harems — pfft, they’re going to die whimpering with their now-useless gaming consoles clutched to their chests.

The post-civilization game is going to be about 1. Food and clean water, 2. Shelter from the elements, 3. Managing disease and infection.

If the lights really do go out, I’m throwing myself on the mercy of the hippies.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

In the unlikely event that Western society collapses any time soon, DarkTriadMan might be disappointed to find that the majority of people will seek to protect the vulnerable and maintain some kind of order.

Civilization didn’t spring out of nowhere, humans early on figured out that they prospered better by cooperation and organization. It’s true we’ve not shaken this bad habit of going to war, but if the system of warlords ruling the land worked best, we’d still have it everywhere. It’s not as if those isolated tribes living in the amazon indulge in non stop orgies of violence, murder and anarchy.

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
5 years ago

1. I think Dark man was probably thinking the curtain was “tattering”.

2. This theory is new how???

spacelawn
5 years ago

I have a feeling this is one of those guys that uses the word “sheeple”

runsinbackground
runsinbackground
5 years ago

I originally thought that “after the power goes out” was a metaphor for “underneath it all”. Is he seriously suggesting that there will be an apocalypse soon?
A little of column A, a little of column B. He’s arguing (as reactionaries sometimes do) that the truest, best way of looking at and organizing human behavior is the Hobbesian state of nature: nasty, brutish, and short. Anything that’s happened since the invention of agriculture is just a false veneer preventing us from recognizing that state of nature, which in turn prevents us from realizing our true competitive potential. “After the power goes out” is the time in which all of humanity is forced to confront the state of nature, and the time when the neo-reactionaries’ obsessive contemplation of things like “The True Nature of Women” and “Diversity + Proximity = War” will give them the advantage they need to rally the ignorant masses to their standard. This is all In The Sweet By-And-By, of course. DarkMan doesn’t fancy himself a survivalist of the old school, but he does think that his training in the art of applied charisma and neurolinguistic programming will allow him to bend enough actual survivalists to his will to keep him out of the cold.

Snowberry
Snowberry
5 years ago

I’m not sure those apocalyptic fantasy types really care what happens to them. As long as horribadawfulness happens to nearly everyone else, that’s all that matters. Well, they’d probably change their tune if it happened for real, but that was never the point of their fantasies.

pkayden
pkayden
5 years ago

MRAs live in a fantasy world — one that simply will never exist. I assume that thinking that every woman wants him, gets Darkman through his loneliness.

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

No, Snowberry, they just believe where the awful state of their lives must be the fault of everyone else.

So they think if society goes away and they’re free to do what they want, their (unspecified) abilities will be superior to those who can… you know, cooperate and organize.

freemage
5 years ago

RosaDeLava | November 20, 2015 at 2:19 pm

@Buttercup

The reality after the power goes out is that they are a huddled group of frightened[…]

I originally thought that “after the power goes out” was a metaphor for “underneath it all”. Is he seriously suggesting that there will be an apocalypse soon? And that, from the ashes of our crumbled civilization (I’m trying to sound like a manospherian here), a powerful lord (can’t be a lady; ladies don’t lift) will rise? And that this lord will “fuck all the bishies”? Is that what he’s saying? Because this sounds like a plot for a hentai.

Also, yes, to be on the safe side, when trying to imagine scenarios like this, always imagine that you will suffer the worst possible fate, not the best.

Rosa: Yup, that’s exactly right. There’s a perverse love of the post-apocolypse mythology among these guys, and they all think that they will achieve their true glory in the world-gone-Mad-Max. If you’re not familiar with it, and feeling very stable and brave, google the word “Gor”–it’s a series of alternate-universe novels based entirely around a barbarian sex-slave society.

And of course, as you note, they never assume that they are going to end up as roadkill, despite most of them having all the survival skills you’d expect of someone who spends 8 hours a day on a console system (and being so odious than only their fellow-travelers would be willing to ‘band’ with them). Me, I’m planning on hiding behind my eldest niece–the one who did tours in Afghanistan and Iraq.

makroth
5 years ago

This is what Johnny Bravo would sound like if he took the red pill.

bekabot
5 years ago

Feminists do not argue with RedPillians, RedPillians argue with feminists, and occasionally the feminists reply (but not always). Perhaps this imbalance has some kind of biological basis (it’s not for me to say otherwise, ignorant of the subject as I am); but, at any rate, biological basis or not, that’s the way it works, thus far and for the foreseeable future. I’m sympathetic to arguments that feminists (or men and women who are called by that name) ought to fight back and talk back more than we do…but just think what would happen in that case. Yikes. Messages like this one are all the proof one needs that such a strategy would turn into the grounds for heaps of misinterpretation.

…change from whining to salivating at the drop of a hat when the male they truly desire walks past.

Well, sure. Whenever a super-hot person walks past, conversation fades. That’s a rule which holds good at all times in all places and always has.

You really can’t change things which are innate, son, which is why you ought to quit trying.

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

I’m so confused. Are we evil ladies setting up our amazonian society where we enslave our harem of men with our zombifying vagina goo? Or are we in a warlord’s harem presenting our rears without giggling?

I’m so tired of switching between being an evil mind-controlling genius and being a submissive object. It’s very difficult maintaining two opposite identities.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Ikanreed,
That sounds like an accurate description of every Ayn Rand fan ever too.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

freemage | November 20, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Okay, so let’s run this down. If a woman is nice to him, she’s obviously into him. If she ignores him, she’s just trying to conceal her interest in him. And if she engages him hostilely, she must be into him because she obviously wants his attention.

This technique (usually in the form of a coin-toss under the rules, “Heads I win; tails you lose”), often works on 4-year-olds, from what I remember of my brother’s kids growing up. Around 6, they usually have it figured out.

I literally was just reading some women talk about this in a tumblr thread.

Men like this literally believe that ANY attention, no matter if it’s outwardly venomous or not, is good attention that means that the woman they’re interacting with wants to fuck them.

We can’t win with this bullshit logic that these men have.

I smile/talk to you because I want to be polite/I am working/I need to speak with you/I wanted to talk to you about something (that isn’t your dick) = I want to fuck you.

I call you out for shitty sexist behavior/Tell you you’re a terrible person/snarl at you and tell you to back the fuck up before I taze your sorry ass = I want to fuck you.

It honestly terrifies me that there’s nothing I can say or do that’s a “No” in these men’s eyes. I could taze them and they’d be like “Wow, did you see the look on her face when she shoved her stun gun in my gut? She totally wants to fuck me!”

http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4yqvoK3YE1qcb58yo1_500.gif

I never thought that that line was so literal until I was an adult. Especially when I was working as a waitress.

katz
katz
5 years ago

When the lights go down in the city
And the warlord chooses me
Ooh I want to present my naked rear, oh oh
Oh, oh, oh oh

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@katz
Should that have made me laugh? Because it did, and I’m not sure how I should feel about this.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

PI,
Yeah, it all boils down to “I can do whatever I want to women and it’s not really rape/harassment/abuse.”

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
5 years ago

Isn’t that the made up Manosphere version of the Dark Triad?

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@runsinbackground
Something I really don’t get is what people mean by this “natural state”. I mean, besides the assumption that people are inherently violent and selfish (which, citation needed, please), once we know that humans organize in societies, isn’t developing things like agriculture and laws a no-brainer? If I want to preserve myself, I’ll stick with the group. If I want to stick with the group, I’ll adapt to the group and do what I must to make it thrive.

The whole thing seems so organic to me, that, if society were to collapse tomorrow, I’m sure the world’s history would repeat itself in a way: We would have monarchies, and those monarchies would fall. There would be slavery among different people and for differet reasons, and people trying to stop slavery. We would build magnificent tombs for our leaders. Women would be forced into kitchens, and then fight their way out. There will be times of massive hunger when people will abandon their loved ones for the sake of others. There will be many people who are extremely poor and few people who will be extremely rich. And so on, and so forth.

I’m convinced that trying to judge human interactions based on a natural state, because our state is, in a way, the natural state (unless ALIENS). And besides, I’m sure the primitive men knew that playing “Murder Simulator 2000” is not so fun when you’re not the only one with a weapon.

But I’m totally ignorant on the subject and basically just talking out of my butt. Rant over!

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I really don’t understand the guys that seem to believe that the way people act when they are happy, well-fed, comfortable, and healthy is somehow not demonstrative of their true personality, and that the actions that people might take when they are desperate to survive are their ‘true nature’. When people are coerced or faced with terrible situations, they do things they would not otherwise even consider, because humans (and most sentient creatures) have a very strong drive to survive. And that side of us can be ugly, yes. But I think that our individual personalities and natures shine through most strongly when we have the option to choose what we wish to do. For obvious reasons.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

Basically it seems that what this guy is saying boils down to “You’d fuck me if I had a knife to your throat, so you should also be obligated to fuck me in absence of that. Otherwise you’re a hypocrite”.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

It was the mention of warlords and the power going out that made me think he was speaking obliquely of an apocalypse or other major social upheaval, because otherwise it’s like, “huh? I turn off my phone and immediately go strip and present my quivering rear end to my warlord? WTF? Did I miss a crucial OS update?”

Either way, he’s wrong. I’m not sure the Dark Triad types realize that they are the very last people anyone is going to voluntarily run to for protection when shit goes down. They’d just as soon kick you to the curb, or even kill you, rather than share their food. They’re impulsive, untrustworthy, reckless, antisocial, and all about short term gains – bad traits for the long haul, whether you’re trying to get through nuclear winter or raise a family.

I also don’t understand how someone who scores high on dark triad traits can, with a straight face, lament the fakery and facades of civilized feeeeeemales. Isn’t Machiavellianism all about conning other people?

Anne
Anne
5 years ago

I have boycotted MRAs and Redpillars for a long time. This piece only confirms that it was the right choice to make.

katz
katz
5 years ago
RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@katz
How does his stand with his double torso? That looks incredibly hard to balance.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

Mr. I wanna-play-pretend-warlord-of-darkness wouldn’t know how to con the panties off a female whether civilization stands as is, or if tomorrow the world wakes up to global apocalypse. The only way this guy would even see my naked tooshie is if I was using it to lure him to his death, which will definitely involve a bear trap…..his death that is, not my tooshie. In the apocalypse, sometimes there will be people who threaten the safety of me and mine, and if the only way to keep the group safe involves deception and luring with nakedness, then that’s what it takes. If the raccoons don’t claw out and peel his grapes themselves, I’m sure the s/o, or one of the other guys in the man-harem will “finish him” with a machete or something. Once I’ve put clothes back on and everything I’ll send word by carrier pigeons to let everyone know I’ve got stockpiles from Sephora for trading, and amenable to making deals with either gender, and of course the gender-fluid. I’ll never be able to use it all myself no matter how long the apocalypse lasts…I figure the lady scientists and lady engineers will have the world set right – better even – in no time.

In the meantime, Evil Katie will be working to get the men sorted into groups and sent off to where they are going to be most useful, and yes some will be going to my diabolical gulags under the watchful guard of copulin-controlled beta males with weapons. Wouldn’t want those naughty boys to think they have a chance at persuading or forcing their way to freedom, but just in case there will be Amazonian lady guards with even bigger weapons.

bluecatbabe
bluecatbabe
5 years ago

@ RosaDeLave

I was thinking did the guy with the green head pop up behind the other green guy and behead him?

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

@mcjuliek:

“The rhetorical style reminds me strongly of a certain group of dolorous and frothing canines who hijacked the Hugo awards this year — it takes “trying way too hard to sound like an intellectual and failing” to a whole new level of pretentious drivel. The combination of blithering incoherence with florid old-timey word choices like “frippery” is moderately hilarious, I suppose.”

Inorite!? So many of them affect that style, too, not just the professional writers. Pretentious, prolix,and incoherent. Tortured metaphor a bonus.

bvh
bvh
5 years ago

The post-civilization game is going to be about 1. Food and clean water, 2. Shelter from the elements, 3. Managing disease and infection.

And none of this will happen without–gasp–cooperation.

We pick this apart on and off in TWD AvClub comments. Zombie apocalypse fantasy aside, during a disaster most people want to help each other and become kinder and more involved with the community. It’s part of our adaptation as social animals. About 5% are assholes, and chances are, they were assholes before the apocalypse. Unless they have needed resources or skills, their assholeness will not get them far when no one has time for their shit. So the world automatically sliding into a 4th world dystopia is not an inevitable given as zombie shows would lead one to believe.

But it’s a compelling fantasy for some who somehow think, without all this civilized silliness like roads, clean water and computers holding them back, they would come into their natural inheritance as the King Bully. They think they’re Daryl or Rick, but they’re actually Eugene. Unlike the shitlotds, Eugene is smart enough to know what he is.

Time to catch up on that stupid FTWD airplane story. 1 minute a week , I ask you….

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