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MGTOWs think it’s hilarious that Charlie Sheen may have given HIV to “hypergamous” women

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In the interview with the Today show in which he acknowledged that he’s HIV positive, Charlie Sheen declared that HIV is “a hard three letters to absorb.”

Over on Reddit’s Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, the regulars are responding to claims that Sheen may have had sex with 200 or more partners since becoming HIV positive with three other letters: LOL.

In a post with the told-you-so headline “Hypergamy Bites Back: Sheen Fucks 200+ Women After Being Diagnosed With HIV,” Redditor Factushima, whose comment history is filled with contributions to the MGTOW, MensRights and TheRedPill subreddits, declares:

Hypergamy Bites Back: Sheen Fucks 200+ Women After Being Diagnosed With HIV. (self.MGTOW) submitted 18 hours ago by Factushima http://www.tmz.com/2015/11/17/charlie-sheen-hiv-lawsuit/ Who would have thought riding the cock carousel was such a dangerous job. I'll bet right now there are hundreds of women who wished they had thought better of sleeping with a guy simply because he had money and had been on TV. What an insane waste of life.

The possibility that “cock carousel”-riding women may have contracted HIV from Sheen makes some of Reddit’s MGTOWs positively giddy. Some of their responses:

ransay3277 9 points 13 hours ago WINNING!

enry-invisible-h 4 points 16 hours ago They wanted the tiger blood. They got it.

Isaiah4verse1 2 points 18 hours ago TS for them! I don't know why they're suing him. They probably won't live long enough to spend his money. LOL

(I assume that in this context, TS means either “Tough Shit” or “Totally Sweet.”)

There were a few critics of Sheen as well. Like this gentleman with the lovely username “drippingdownherbreas” (sic).

drippingdownherbreas 2 points 7 hours ago Hypergamous whores. Sheen's still a giant asshole though.

As are you all, MGTOWs, as are you all.

 

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Snowberry
Snowberry
5 years ago

“I thought they were lying!” is a terrible argument or excuse in general. The only reason to use it is if you know them well enough be be certain that they probably were lying, and the person you’re saying it to knows you well enough to trust that judgment. Even then it’s pretty weak. Rather, you need to say why you think what someone said was incorrect.

“I thought she was an ageplayer because she didn’t look 14!” is either grasping at straws to avoid responsibility, or jumping to an unwarranted (and in this case, highly unlikely) conclusion. You wouldn’t assume that someone is a librarian because they’re reading a book, and that’s the level of stupidity this argument displays.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

It did! I haven’t broken that one out in ages now, but some things never change do they?

As for Sheen’s sexual partners, I was under the impression most of them were hired sex workers. Which, if true, is just another layer of fucked since they’re out of work until they’re sure they’re HIV-. And if he infected anyone? Yeah, try for attempted murder, but most definitely charge with assault with a deadly weapon since I think there’s a precedent there. If their livelihood depends on their ability to perform sexual acts, add in a suit for lost wages. Or, I guess, if that applies regardless if the partner in question was a sex worker, I’m just extra cranky that, afaik, most of these women were paid, and thus likely explicitly lied to about his status (he can afford high class call girls, I’m fairly sure they are in a position to ask about such things, a luxury I acknowledge that many sex workers do not have)

So yeah, if the whole thing about him hiring sex workers is true, please add the appropriate layer of bigotry.

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

The one and only time my husband and I tried using lambskin (it wasn’t an STD issue but rather a “didn’t get my birth control refilled in time” issue) it was a literal boner-killer. The damn things smell like lanolin, and unless one gets profoundly aroused from the smell of the sheep exhibit at the state fair…

Earl
Earl
5 years ago

“Any sign of Bart and Milhouse?”
“No, and if they don’t get here soon it’ll be T.S. for them.”
[cut to Ralph Wiggum in a pool under a sign that says “Tethered Swimming”]
“Eeh, eeh, eeh, I don’t feel right!”

dhag85
5 years ago

Not sure where to post this, but I’ll just drop it here. Anecdote from work today, which can be used as a daily reminder that refugees are people:

Somali woman, mid 20s, married with a 1 year old daughter. She says she wants to study to become a nurse, but she’s not sure if she knows the language well enough. Her husband learned the language fast and got part time work as a teacher. She has been cleaning hotel rooms.

Her motivation for wanting to become a nurse is literally this: “So many people want to be cleaners because you don’t need a specific education and you don’t need to know the language. There are so many who can’t find a job. If I get an education and become a nurse, someone else can get my old job and make money.”

Me: “uhhh hold on I got something in my eye”

ljy2008
5 years ago

Laugh away boys, as it is fairly clear that very few of you are getting laid any time soon, you will never have to worry about catching HIV. Phew! Looks like your cretinous personalities have actually done you some good for a change!

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

I’ve been dodging most of the misogynistic crap surrounding the Paris attacks, that was too much to handle for me. But glad to see I’m just in time to laugh at this nonsense!

@ljy2008

Many of the people you’re telling to ‘laugh away’ are married. Now please be quiet, grownups are talking.

Here Kitty Kitty! (@Layla_In_SoCal)

But MGTOW doesn’t hate women. Right? It’s about MEN’s Rights not women! Right? Crickets……………..

Here Kitty Kitty! (@Layla_In_SoCal)

BTW today is my first time commenting on this site. I have been reading it for the past few months, but have not commented, so I want to first thank David Futrelle for being the voice of reason, and just as importantly the voice of mockery, because if we don’t mock them, we will lose our damn minds!

Howdy everyone!

Here Kitty Kitty! (@Layla_In_SoCal)

Also “cock carousel”, how can I get one of these things, do I order it from Neiman Marcus? Does it actually spin? And what will my neighbors think?

Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

Moocow, I assumed ljy2008 is addressing the Manosphere. They’re the ones laughing at people at risk for HIV.

gosuamakenatek
gosuamakenatek
5 years ago

So let me get this straight…
1. MRAs consider all women to be filthy sluts who spread STDs
2. A man has sex with hundreds of women, spreading his incurable STD to them
3. MRAs call all the women he slept with filthy sluts and ignore any responsibility on his part
4. MRAs continue to accuse feminists of hypocrisy and double-speak all over the internet
Yep, that’s pretty much exactly how I expected them to react to this issue.

@ljy2008
Aw, you’re telling me I’m not gonna get HIV? What a devastating insult.

gosuamakenatek
gosuamakenatek
5 years ago

@Lady Mondegreen
Oops, is that what that was? Looks like I made the same mistake as Moocow. If so, my bad ljy2008.

ljy2008
5 years ago

Moocow, I was referring to the manosphere. As most of them are not likely to be getting any action any time soon, they can rest assured they won’t be catching HIV, that was the point.

I wasn’t attacking people who have contracted HIV.

Probably didn’t word it so well.

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
5 years ago

At least one of his ex-girlfriends, Bree Olson (an adult actress who was with him for a while), has stated that he used lambskin condoms, which prevent pregnancy but do jack against STDs. So it isn’t like there was no attempt at using protection.

Lambskin condoms are far more effective at stopping the transmission of many STIs in actual use than they’re given credit for, and there are reasons for this. This is a long read, but a really good read. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/04/latex_condoms_are_the_worst_why_after_all_these_years_don_t_we_have_a_better.html

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

Lji2008,

I read that backwards, I completely apologize! I was a little too trigger happy

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

*ljy2008. Ack. OK I’m done for tonight.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Welcome to the site, Here Kitty Kitty! Pull up a hard chair and enjoy your stay.

Paradoxy’s got a little online store selling WHTM merchandise. We should ask her if she stocks cock carousels; and if not, whether she could get some in for us.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Off-topic:

The data science blog FiveThirtyEight built an awesome toy: a graphing tool which plots how commonly certain words are used on reddit, and how it’s changed over the years. For example:

http://s8.postimg.org/ic27wybf9/redditwords.jpg

Give it a go, it’s enormous fun.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/reddit-ngram

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

This whole story is so sad. He obviously had a hard time coming to terms with his diagnosis, hence his bizarre behaviour a while back. And if he’s passed it on to anyone knowingly then it adds a whole new layer of awfulness to the story.

These red pill assholes are hopefully just stupid, ignorant boys who will one day grow out of it when they get more life experience. Part of my job as a drug worker is testing for blood borne viruses like HIV and hepatitis. Supporting a devastated person through a positive diagnosis is heartbreaking. TRPers should be ashamed of themselves.

kale
kale
5 years ago

Well what I was trying to say earlier is that its kinda shitty to be all like “use comdoms dummy” at someone who already has HIV. One reason is because you can still get HIV using condoms. Another is that “you should have used condoms / not had sex / not had “gay sex” has been a common refrain of people shaming AIDS victims, and that shaming has contributed to the epidemic rather than alleviating it. Go ahead and tell your friends and your kids to use condoms but saying that as a response to someone coming out and saying they have a disease please.

kale
kale
5 years ago

saying = *dont say

dhag85
5 years ago

@EJ

Hah! I recommend searching for “cuck”. It’s a pretty steep curve.

dhag85
5 years ago

Also, search for Cernovich to get an idea of why he’s desperately trying to stay relevant. :p

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Interesting, “Futrelle” is poised to overtake “Cernovich” given the patterns over the last few months; right now they’re about neck and neck. Since July, “Roosh” has also overtaken “Elam.” “Yiannopoulos” isn’t even common enough to be tracked at all.

Of course, all these gentlemen’s names put together don’t even start to compare to the results for “Sarkeesian.” “Quinn” is even higher but is a more common name, so might be accumulating references from other sources too. I didn’t even try searching for “Wu.”

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

*interestingly

Jimbtho
Jimbtho
5 years ago

The whole ‘hypergamy’ thing is the Manosphere’s ‘big brilliant bad idea’. It’s disturbing how it can easily seep into other areas (I’ve seen a comment thread on the Guardian where someone was saying that ‘alphas’ get most of the sex, and a comment on a geek blog – discussing what issues should be discussed in contemporary scifi – where someone mentioned most men being overlooked in favour of the ‘top 20% of successful men’. Hypergamy (at least the concept of it that the manosphere talks about) has absolutely no scientific evidence, but it can be used to explain such questions as ‘why I’m not getting laid’, ‘why women can’t be trusted’, and, at the paranoid end of the scale (see Black Pill) ‘why women/feminists don’t care about most men and would happily kill them’.

Ghost Robot
Ghost Robot
5 years ago

Wishing everyone making jokes about this situation would go and read Randy Shilts’ And The Band Played On, and then take a good, hard look at themselves. Sheen’s a terrible human being, but I can’t find any schadenfreude in this, especially if others have been infected.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Kale — fwiw I made that gif literally years ago in response to MRA idiocy about their being no birth control for men, and I think we were all (or at least mostly) talking about now that he knows he’s positive. But yeah, saying that it’d 100% prevent it and if he’d only used one! is shitty.

I just mostly wanted to break out the gif.

brian
5 years ago

I just want to check:
No one uses “hypergamous” except for these assholes, right? Can I go ahead and add that to my list of words/terms like “SJW” and “cuck” and “cultural marxism” and “miscegenation” that immediately let me know that I am not dealing with a rational human being?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

So, that’s a solid “Yes, feel free to add it.” Unless the Internet has a sudden influx of social scientists who specialise in India’s caste system.

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

Brian, you are mistaken. It is a legitimate term in sociology(meaning something completely different).

And of course actual sociologists have found its incidence has been on a negative trend over the past few decades. Because, you know, there’s less of a patriarchal culture that expects it and women are free to make a choice that suits them rather than be dependent on men.

brian
5 years ago

Wait, THAT’S what it means? Is that how they’re using it? Maybe they are and I didn’t realize… from context and, well, guessing, I thought it was just used for “sluts who ride the cock carousel” to use their gross language.

brian
5 years ago

@ikanreed:
I didn’t mean “is it a made up word?”. I knew/assumed it had an actual meaning and wasn’t invented by them. But, AFAIK, “Cultural Marxism” is a real thing that actual people might talk about… but I never hear about it from anyone other than MRA-ish/Neo-Nazi-ish types… and, so far at least, the same has gone for “hypergamy.”

Orion
5 years ago

Oh, in that case, yes for sure put it on the list.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

They think women deserve to be punished with pain and death for having sex with men who aren’t them.
That is so creepy.
All over the world women are punished to death for just that.
They think that is great. They think that makes them super smart, good people.

The mind. She boggles.

cupisnique
cupisnique
5 years ago

@Kale

I completely agree with what you said. I understand people’s reaction to jump on the condom thing, but it does feel a bit like blaming someone after the fact for contracting the disease which really serves no good purpose. Also, the idea that someone here expressed of ALWAYS using a condom even in a monogamous relationship is absurd to me. I get it, people cheat, but come on, are you really going to use condoms til the day you die even if you’re married or in a committed relationship? I mean, that’s your choice but I really don’t think it’s reasonable to suggest that it’s what everyone should do. The implication of that suggestion is if they trust the wrong person they have no one to blame but themselves.

Kale
Kale
5 years ago

Argenti – no worries 🙂

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

What I dislike about hypergamy is the way misognyists have turned it into a slur: “Those conniving gold-digging bitches, they’re all out to suck resources and money from men!” I also really dislike the assumption that it’s biologically wired into women (and therefore not to be tampered with) (but still awful and terrible and bad), rather than, say, a cultural side effect of denying women access to wealth.

It’s pretty hypocritical for accusations of hypergamy to come from a group of people whose main mission in life is to score nubile teenagers with an attractiveness level well beyond their own. How is that not a form of hypergamy? In sociological terms, hypergamy simply means it’s human nature to seek the best partner out of the pool of available people. Not a remarkable observation, but MGTOWs think it’s a moral failing when women do it, and a moral imperative when they do it.

As for Charlie Sheen, it’s really sad that HIV still carries such a stigma that he felt he couldn’t reveal his diagnosis for fear of harming his career. The only reason he’s going public now is to put an end to the hush money he’s been having to pay out to various people in his circle (to the tune of $10 million). The blackmail fees are bankrupting him, and the National Enquirer was preparing to publish an expose later this fall, so he really had no choice but to come clean.

And of course, MGTOWs aren’t questioning their cherished alpha ideals over this. There’s a lesson here about the way extreme wealth and fame breed arrogance, attract grifters and opportunists, corrupt relationships, and cause a lot of mess and pain and dishonesty. But nope, not the fault of the alpha bad boy or a system that simultaneously worships and tears down celebrities. It’s those evil CC riders who ruin everything.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I guess what I’m trying to get it, is here’s a guy who’s living the Alpha Redpill Male fantasy life – rich, good-looking, famous, constant female companionship – and he’s a hot mess and his life is a nightmare. You’d think MGTOW would be all “hmm, maybe this is not the best lifestyle to aspire to, maybe we’re not really missing out on anything” instead of pointing at the women and going “HAW haw!!!”

But then I remember this is MGTOW we’re talking about here. People who have the emotional maturity of a taco.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

*trying to get AT. My fingers are moving faster than my brain today.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

EJ (The Other One) | November 19, 2015 at 2:20 am
Welcome to the site, Here Kitty Kitty! Pull up a hard chair and enjoy your stay.

Paradoxy’s got a little online store selling WHTM merchandise. We should ask her if she stocks cock carousels; and if not, whether she could get some in for us.

If Zazzle doesn’t stock it, I don’t stock it. :U (Though, it does give me ideas.)

In store-related news though, I have recently replaced my long-lost tablet pen, now presumed lost to the black hole that is my room.

The new pen, now dubbed Lady ScratchySketch the Second, has graciously accepted her new post, and while we still hold out hope for Lady ScratchySketch the First’s return to her home, the Second has taken up her duties in the meantime.

This now means I can (attempt to) do illustrations for ze store, though most designs will most likely stick to Illustrator work.

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

In sociological terms, hypergamy simply means it’s human nature to seek the best partner out of the pool of available people.

I might be nitpicking here, but sociology does not include in its field of expertice the decoding of “human nature”.

I think it would make more sense to say in sociological terms, hypergamy means people who seek the best partner out of the pool of available people.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

I might be nitpicking here, but sociology does not include in its field of expertice the decoding of “human nature”.

I think it would make more sense to say in sociological terms, hypergamy means people who seek the best partner out of the pool of available people.

Asking because you sound authoritative on the matter and so you can hopefully field questions:

Doesn’t this mean that we’re all hypergamous? I mean, we all have our own definitions of “best person” but are going to try to find our own optimal partner within that definition. If the pool includes a cute feminist who can knowledgeably discuss Foucault, Beaudelaire and GRR Martin, I’m going to date her rather than someone who thinks E.L. James writes the perfect romances. Does that make me hypergamous?

(I’m going to a gig with such a person on Saturday. Wish me luck!)

Ellesar
Ellesar
5 years ago

Contracting HIV is not at all a death sentence for anyone who can access the right meds – CS can afford to pay for meds for anyone that he has infected – if he has infected anyone he should be court ordered to do so.

No one is going to be happy about contracting HIV, and there are quite a few downsides to the anti retro virals currently available, but with good treatment and support it has fewer physical downsides than diabetes, for example.

The social stigma is another issue entirely. I worked with people with HIV and a woman was terrified of informing the school of her son’s condition. It was likely that they had a pretty good idea already, but she was absolutely not going to take the risk of telling them. I couldn’t blame her – it only takes one arsehole to fuck it all up with their ignorance.

Shaenon
5 years ago

In real sociological terms, hypergamy is “marrying up”: people or families advancing their status by joining higher-status families. In manosphere lingo, it means “sleeping with people who are better than MRAs,” which is everyone because MRAs hate themselves. And it’s only bad when women do it.

freemage
5 years ago

EJ: Yes and no, on hypergamy.

In general, the term seems to mainly apply specifically in societies with a relatively strict social hierarchy. The more rigid your class-system is, the easier it is to track individuals who marry out of their birth-class. Since we live in a world full of patriarchal societies, hypergamy usually ends up involving women marrying men of a higher social standing. In nations where both patriarchy and class structure declines, you end up with a decrease in hypergamous activity (as well as a shift away from a strictly gender-based concept of it; in some countries, it’s becoming more common for less wealthy men to seek out a richer/higher standing wife).

Orion
5 years ago

@EJ,

Hypergamy has nothing to do with finding the “best partner” or “most attractive partner” or anything like that, and it’s also not really a drive or a personality. It’s a practice (sociology mostly describes customs and practices, not drives)

Hypergamy is marriage between partners of different social class; or rather, it is marriage to a person of higher class. Class is of course notoriously difficult to define, but it’s some combination of wealth, special legal rights, and/or customary deference and “social status.” Beauty, intellect, or virtue are not class markers. So no, most people are not hypergamous, because most people in most countries marry other people from their own social class.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@freemage, Orion:
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense to me and clarifies the term (as well as making it clear how horrendously misused it is by MRAs.)