Not long after I finished my post this morning on the Manosphere dudes who are blaming the Paris attacks on the alleged “feminization” of Western culture, Manosphere dude Roosh Valizadeh put up a post in which he blamed the attacks on, well, you guessed it.
Declaring that “[t]he European people do not deserve Europe,” Roosh writes that
I’m afraid what we’re witnessing is a people who have been so feminized, weakened, and mentally controlled that they simply can’t identify an enemy within their broken gates that threatens their way of life, and is instead aiding the invaders who are actively trying to replace them.
So I was going to simply add this to my previous post.
But then I read the rest of Roosh’s post, and discovered that Roosh thinks the real solution to that whole refugee thing would be for him, Roosh, to round up some dudes and launch some sort of Red Dawn style assault on the refugees and any local police who showed up to defend them.
No, really:
If I was an angry French or German man at this moment, I know what I would do:
- I would find a small town in my country with good strategic defense that has had refugees dumped within it.
- I would open a line of communication with a sympathetic government like Russia for possible military support.
- I would find at least 30 men with arms who believe that their nation is worth dying for.
- I would invade the town, kick out the invaders, and defend my position against the local police while prolonging the standoff as long as possible for maximum media effect.
Then he’d try to get other equally delusional Muslim-haters to join him in his little revolution.
Either we solidify our position and expand with external support or we die trying to defend our country. I could not think of a more honorable way to leave this Earth, of asserting my destiny in a world where lunatic terms are being dictated to me that harm myself, my family, and my nation.
Roosh does not actually have a family, per se. At least he doesn’t have one in whichever Eastern European country he’s now living in. He lives alone.
He does have a family in the United States, the family he came from. Interestingly enough, his parents are immigrants from two countries –Armenia and Iran — that are not that far from Syria. If I’m not mistaken, they’re Muslim.
You’ll need to use your own irony meter here, folks, as mine is broken again.
Sorry about the double. David you can bin one if you like.
Yes, attacking and victimizing the refugees who’ve already lost everything because they’ve been attacked and victimized by the religious terrorists that you want to avenge yourself against is certainly the bravest and most honorable thing to do. If you’re both a bigot, an incredible coward, an absolute hypocrite and a moron.
As a German, from the bottom of my heart: Fuck you, Roosh. Fuck you.
I mean, he’d totally do that if he were French or German. Fortunately, America doesn’t have a problem with Muslim infiltration. Just ask any of his followers.
Is it time for another obscure comic reference? Roosh totally wants to be the Caliph instead of the Caliph.
As a french, I don’t think France is a country particulary tolerant toward islam. At least not in the general population.
Racism and poverty is a big problem for the french muslims. It’s why some are tempted by terrorism. It might be worse in other european countries, but I won’t particulary bet on it.
Hello.
Ha ha, no, not before, not now, not ever in the future. Never.
You are angry, that it, that is just it.
If you would ever been an Angry(TM) French, some kind of usual beauf as we call them here, you would rant against almost everything, in a bar, between two glups of cheap alcool and some peanuts, drawing plan on the comet, remodelling the world to fit your vision of it, before coming back home where you would kick your cat or your dog, just because it is on your way, and you would yell, even punch, your wife, because the meal would not be ready. But you would surely never act outside this routine.
If some are still wondering, yes, this is a caricature of how some of us see our Angry(TM) compatriot.
On a lighter note, if you are not even able to make the difference between a country and a nation, i am not sure that make you really qualified to propose any geopolitical (violent) action. Are the alpha males not supposed to have honed all their skills, including everyday knowledge ?
Somebody already said it, but yes, Napoleon was not a partisan of the Islam. His acceptance was just a political move, inspired by the way Roman Empire had dealt with religions in general : accepted as long as the Emperor is acknowledged.
As for the place of Islam (all branchs included) as a religion in France, it is the second one, in term of number of members. But, all religions confounded, France people are not really practicioners. While we are somewhat “tolerant” (if we exclude our own extremists of the equation) to official religions, we are less acceptant regarding some movements that the legislation qualifies as “sects” (not as in the Hindu meaning of the term) rather than “religions”, like Jehova Witnesses or Scientology, in comparison to other countries.
Have a nice day.
@ mildly magnificent
Can the British presence in Ulster really be classified as an occupying force? Ulster remained part of Britain post 1921 because it was the wish of the majority of people there. Of course, one can look back at the demographics and the Scottish settlers of the 18th century and the influence that had. But that’s like saying that no non-Native American’s or non-aboriginal Australian’s vote should count in the running of those countries.
Don’t forget, British troops were welcomed by the Catholic minority when they went to NI. They were seen as saviours and protectors of minority rights. That obviously didn’t suit the violent nationalists. The problem for the British was that PIRA were, (as ISIS is now) very politically astute. By opening fire on British troops and triggering Bloody Sunday, PIRA ensured that violence would be the key issue in Irish politics for the next four decades. To use their own words they were able to “bomb their way into power”. Martin McGuinness fired the first shots on Bloody Sunday and now he’s second ion command at Stormont.
In many ways ISIS do resemble the terrorist groups of the 70s in that they are very media aware and tactically savvy. However there isn’t the sort of cross group cooperation that we saw back then (it was perhaps easier as all the groups you mention were essentially radical Marxist, so had a lot in common). It;s worth bearing in mind that in its original incarnation as AQIR, ISIS was condemned by Usama bin Laden as a bunch of brutal extremists. When UBL is calling a group extreme then they’re probably worth keeping an eye on.
Roosh’s macho posturings are truly pathetic. I remember him saying a while back ‘in another life, I would have been a soldier’…well Roosh, you actually did have that option. But you turned it down in favour of being a seduction guru for the sad and morally bankrupt.
And re some of the recent comments about the IRA – I live in Northern Ireland and, of course, some in the local media are enjoying comparing the IRA and ISIS. Yes, the IRA did (and occasionally still do) some repulsive things, and some of their activities back in the day weren’t that far removed from what ISIS do, but I don’t think these comparisons are that helpful. ISIS’ use of suicide bombers and their ‘kill ’em all, let God sort it out’ attitude is quite different to the IRA, who despite using tactics like hunger strikes were generally quite reluctant to get killed in action if they could help it, and who (usually) avoided mass civilian casualties. Their aims were also much more limited (a 32-county socialist Ireland), and despite the global impression that the conflict was about ‘Catholic vs Protestant’, most paramilitaries in NI weren’t particularly religious (it was, and is, an ethno-political conflict rather than a religious one). As for the comments about the British army – all I’ll say about the ‘occupation’ thing is that NI was and is part of the UK, and the majority of the population still wants to stay in the UK. However, the behaviour of British troops here often contributed to people joining the IRA. My Catholic driving instructor, who grew up in the 70s and is very anti-IRA, witnessed various incidents of Army violence which were covered up: ‘even when they were in the right and didn’t need to lie, they still lied’.
This Roosh V isn’t working out very well, vile and weirdly, inconsistently vile… here’s hoping for a better version when Roosh VI comes out.
@ jimbtho
As someone on the ground, what’s the view about Real and Continuity IRA over there? I know there’s some fuss about them still being ‘active’; and all the fallout over that recent murder. But is that political or just essentially a gang war over control of the remnants of PIRA’s drug trade?
Alan: re the dissident groups (CIRA, the ‘New’ IRA, Oglaigh Na hEireann) – they are still making attacks but these are rarely successful. They haven’t killed a security forces member since 2012, but they have killed the odd criminal and they still do punishment shootings. They can still cause a lot of disruption (a few weeks ago there were a wave of bomb alerts against venues which were hosting police recruitment events – I think at least one was a real bomb, and it certainly delayed a lot of people getting home from work). They don’t have much support, although they do like to capitalize on people’s frustrations with Sinn Fein (who are now ‘the establishment’). The recent murder you’re probably talking about – IMO that was probably PIRA members or ‘ex’ members, but they’ve kept it fairly deniable. It certainly wasn’t political. The story is now that the guy who was killed was suspected (by PIRA) of killing another ‘ex’ PIRA guy back in May – both of them killed a lot of drug dealers in the 90s so there were initial thoughts that the first guy was killed by ‘ordinary decent criminals’. It’s all still very murky – could have been over a personal feud, could have been over money. As for ‘PIRA’s drug trade’ – I’m sure individual PIRA members were (and maybe still are) involved in drug dealing, but that’s something the PIRA as a whole would have strongly condemned so I don’t think there would have been too much dealing at a high level. Loyalist paramilitaries, and republican dissidents, were (and probably still are in some cases) up to their necks in drug dealing.
Sorry for the lengthy reply!
Please don’t apologise! That’s exactly what I was curious about; I appreciate the thought you’ve put into the reply.
Post Good Friday Agreement etc. Ireland has dropped of the news radar a bit here so it’s great to hear from someone at source as it were. I’m really out of the loop on stuff over there nowadays; I used to be much better informed.
Funnily enough, one of my clients/friends managed to get himself on the death lists of both PIRA *and* the UVA. He had been set up with a new identity but ended up getting shot 7 times after his new name was accidentally blown. Now that’s a ‘doxxing’ that you don’t want!
@jimbotho
Trying to compare to very different paramilitaries, with very different ideologies is exceptionally flawed and if I was you I’d ignore it completely. Here is a primary reason why it us flawed. The terrorist organisations in Ulster performed no suicide bombings at all – none. If someone wants to draw a nearest equivalence to AQ or Daesh suicide bombings then the Tamil Tiger separatists of Sri Lanka is the best bet as they employed a huge number of suicide bombings.
I will agree with you that our actions as a policing force (I can’t use the word occupying ) drove a number towards the paramilitaries as we received scant training on how to police a civilian population, add the fact that we were all shit scared, full of fear and confusion which us an excellent breeding ground for being abusive, it was ill thought out by the government and the MoD and almost destined to fail – badly. The fact it didn’t fail as badly as it should have is down to the hard work involved in good friday agreement. The only parallel I could draw between the troubles and Daesh is that there is sectarian violence (Sunni/Shia compared with Catholic/Prodestant) with third party involvement UK government compared to Western Powers. I think IRA – ISIS comparisons are a bit like apples to bread. Both could be said to be plant based foodstuffs at best.
Sounds like a lucky guy… And yes it kind of throws into relief how ‘doxxing’ can be much, much worse…(not that I would want it happening to me – I got into a minor row with some MRAs on the Guardian comment pages and started worrying how identifiable I was…)
Autosoma – I agree. And, since it sounds like you were a former soldier, I certainly meant no offence – I’m sure it was a grim position to be in (I’m just glad I came over to NI in 2001, as a civilian).
He once ran from a woman with a beer.
@jimbotho none taken. Without going into full blown analysis of police actions and COIN globally my personal feeling is that we did the best possible under the circumstances and that no other country has managed to do as good a job – it could have been so much worse.
I think what you have described is common for many “loosing” paramilitaries, because they have to use organised crime to get munitions and funding, it looks like a natural evolution. It is intereztion how since 2002 we, as a nation, have swept the troubles under the carpet. I think we still have a garrison if 10,000 sqaddies in Ulster, that with the rebranding exercise of the RUC to PSNI, has help the nation to not pay as much attention.
My personal feeling is that Bush’s clampdown on terrorist funding post 2002, help the good Friday agreement come to fruition, as it dried up US funding to the IRA. That is a personally held opinion.
Isn’t “round up 30 men who think their country is worth dying for, attack certain group, hold out against police as long as possible” a play-by-play for the Waco Tragedy?
But what will he do when one of the refugees throws a beer over him?
I could write a longer post on how this yet again shows the similarities between Islamic terrorists and Islamophobic extremists – but, quite frankly, Roosh is now so pathetic there’s no point. I can’t take him seriously enough to actually engage in debate based on his words.
Basically, it’s this (though infinitely less cute):
http://www.lolomgwtfbbq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dangerous-tiger-kitty.jpg
Alan, please provide some evidence that Martin McGuinness provoked Bloody Sunday, because the Saville Inquiry says he did no such thing.
@ cyberwulf
Well, Saville said that whilst McGuiness “probably” had his machine gun and fired it they could not be “sure” to the criminal standard of proof.
Saville went on to say that even if he had that shouldn’t have been a provocation, but I have to disagree with him (and anyone else who’s never been shot at) on that.
Also, the IRA would not have had the support it did if the political apparatus ofNorthern Ireland had not been heavily stacked in favour of Protestants and against Catholics from the very beginning. People who feel their votes count, who aren’t denied housing and employment based on their religion, and who can trust the police don’t end up feeling like violence is their only option so let’s join the guys with all the guns.