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Paris tonight
Paris tonight

There have been multiple terror attacks in Paris. As I write this, there are reportedly dozens dead, and hostages being held.

I hope all WHTM readers in Paris are safe, and that this nightmare doesn’t get any worse.

This is a NO TROLLS/NO MRAs thread.

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vanir85
6 years ago

I hope Cassie Jaye is paying attention, but I’m not holding my breath.

-newbie

I really hope David writes a piece highlighting the MRA and RedPiller reactions to this. There seems to be some striking similarities between IS and the RedPiller mindset, at least what these sharia-fanboy Dalrock types are conserned.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@kale:

to clarify two things:

1. Joann Sfar works for Charlie Hebdo. I’m pretty sure he’s an atheist, but not the kind of asshole atheist who tells others religion is evil. He became famous with two comic series about Eastern European and Northern African Jewish traditions and theology, because he grew up with both. “Thank you, but instead of public Christian praying, I’d rather have a more general and inclusive solidarity” is, to me, a very polite way of making people aware that, while one appreciates the sentiment, one wishes they were more aware of what else is included in a message of public praying. Because #prayforparis isn’t just praying, it’s a public and political statement which automatically excludes other religions and atheists, whether the people who do it are aware of it or not.

2. The “Woody Allen”-post is actually Ella Fitzgerald’s “I love Paris in the Springtime”, a very beautiful and appropriate song. The video is just a montage from one of Allen’s films.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

The three most depressing/rage-inducing things on my Facebook right now:

1) “We must get rid of ALL THE MUSLIMS!”
2) “Herp a derp those French people should have had guns!”
3) “False flag! There was no attack! It’s all a conspiracy!”

On number two, good old Trump is at the forefront of saying that. DOES HE EVER CLOSE HIS STUPID LITTLE MOUTH? I’M SO SICK OF NRA WANKERS BLAMING LACK OF GUNS FOR TRAGEDIES WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY GUN RELATING TRAGEDIES IN AMERICA.
http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA2LzEyLzllL1ByaWRlYW5kUHJlLjlmYjg4LmdpZgpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/f8f9ae1f/624/Pride-and-Prejudice.gif

dhag85
6 years ago

As an atheist, it does piss me off a bit to see all these random people “praying” for the victims and their families when something like this happens. I understand that religious people pray as a coping mechanism, and that’s totally fine. I would never attack someone for praying. But saying you’re praying for someone whose religious beliefs are completely unknown to you, that’s just rude and annoying behavior. If you need to pray in order to make yourself feel better, just go ahead and do it, but keep it to yourself. Don’t weigh others down with your own stuff.

Having said all that, I’ll add that atheists who take a tragedy like this as an opportunity to scream about how “praying won’t help! why didn’t your god stop the tragedy?” – those people can go fuck themselves immediately.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

@dhag
Agreeing with you on both points. France is a very very secular country and a Charlie Hebdo cartoon has responded to #PrayForParis with “We really don’t need more religious stuff right now.” We should respect that, if that is the overall wish of the French.

On the other hand, I also agree that it’s annoying to see frothing atheists try and argue that the terror attacks are proof that all religion everywhere must be wiped out immediately because only then will we have world peace. I’m tired of having to make the point that if religion disappeared, people would still bomb and kill each but under a different banner.

guy
guy
6 years ago

CNN reports one of the the attackers was identified as a Syrian refugee, two identified as French citizens, one had an Egyptian passport of unknown legitimacy, two false Turkish passports.

guy
guy
6 years ago

From the looks of it, it’s a deliberate ISIS effort to turn sentiment against the refugees.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@dhag85 @sunnysombrera

totally 100% agreed. Scoring political points for one’s own preferential idea in the face of such horrible events is just awful, no matter who does it.

@guy:
I read that too. It kinda confirms my suspicions that IS is interested in escalating the situation, but I’m glad that most media seem to have sussed it out; let’s hope that politicians have, too.

dhag85
6 years ago

Very very impressed with Sanders in last night’s debate for standing by his statement that the largest threat is climate change, especially in light of what happened this weekend.

Also, very disappointed with Clinton for opposing free college tuition because “Donald Trump’s kids shouldn’t get free college”. So basically deny poor people an education out of spite, just to barely make a dent in the immense wealth of billionaires. What a stupid fucking argument.

Dodom
Dodom
6 years ago

I was just shown this: https://twitter.com/Veeren_Jubbal
GamerGate thought it would be funny to send a guy’s name and pictures to newspaper saying he was one of the men behind the attacks. His picture did make it into the media.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

It’s about ethics in gaming the journalism.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@Dodom:

oh for f… Aaand I’ve just seen a Gamergater pull a NoTrueGG on this horrible assholery and try to make a comment thread under a post on reactions to Paris about the eebul SJWs.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

GamerGate thought it would be funny to send a guy’s name and pictures to newspaper saying he was one of the men behind the attacks. His picture did make it into the media.

Actually, it’s about ethics in… no, you know what? F**k it! This is so messed up I don’t even want to joke about it. Do these people have ANY scruples? Is there NO limit to how far they will go for a laugh? Is it the pain of others IN ITSELF they find so bloody enjoyable?

To quote a favorite internet celebrity of mine: “What is even the Hell?!”

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Holy shit Gamergate, this is one of the worst things you’ve done so far. Way to show everyone that you really are just a bunch of chan turds.

newbie
newbie
6 years ago

@vanir85:

I really hope David writes a piece highlighting the MRA and RedPiller reactions to this. There seems to be some striking similarities between IS and the RedPiller mindset, at least what these sharia-fanboy Dalrock types are conserned.

That would be useful, especially for the naifs like Jaye. It may be hard to imagine (it was for me in the past) that her kind of naivete exists and that it is not malicious; but having met young women like her, I know better now.

These women are raised in a society in which they have rights thanks to feminism, but they do not know much about the struggles to achieve those rights and have bought into the right wing, MRA/TRP-types demonization of feminism as an anti-men, anti-family, anti-everything decent movement.

I know that educating them about reality, which they, raised in privilege, do not fully grasp, helps. Don’t know whether it would help Cassie, but there are others like her who would and do benefit from having things pointed out to them. So spelling out the similarities between TRP, especially its Christian version, and ISIS would help. When these young women are compelled to contemplate what their lives in TRP world would really be like, they often decide to drop their rose-colored glasses.

Dalrock himself is careful enough not to make direct statements that would incriminate him right off the bat, but his commentariat — which he hosts approvingly — provides more than enough material.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
6 years ago

Yoga and meditation is the answer. When are we gonna get it?

bananananana dakry
bananananana dakry
6 years ago

@dhag, sunny sombrera

I can see the praying bit is mighty irritating when it’s not asked for. I feel the same way when a fundie does it to me, because it’s just a veiled way of saying your beliefs are wrong and you’re going to hell. Screw that. In that vein, same with the frothing atheists. This is *not the time*, you jackasses. Assholes will damn well find a way to be assholes, and not because if or in spite of religion. BECAUSE THEY’RE ASSHOLES.

@ Dodom

WHAT? I. Just. You know what. Oh, just fuck them. Fuck them sideways with a goddamn rusty tire iron. They have no fucking soul or empathy. Like we needed further proof.

Chiomara
Chiomara
6 years ago

Also, very disappointed with Clinton for opposing free college tuition because “Donald Trump’s kids shouldn’t get free college”

Okay, this may be……. The stupidest thing… I have ever…. Heard in my entire life.
ANY COLLEGE IS FREE TO TRUMP KIDS. You are keeping poor kids out, not rich kids. What the hell, how does anybody even say something this stupid out loud without everybody bursting in laughter? Will anybody vote for this guy?! How can the US have Trump in one side and this guy on the other? You Americans from this blog should run for elections. That’s Brazilian politician level of nonsense. I’m truly baffled at this coming from a liberal.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
6 years ago

“I really hope David writes a piece highlighting the MRA and RedPiller reactions to this. There seems to be some striking similarities between IS and the RedPiller mindset, at least what these sharia-fanboy Dalrock types are conserned.”

– I’ve been saying that since day one.

“These women are raised in a society in which they have rights thanks to feminism, but they do not know much about the struggles to achieve those rights and have bought into the right wing, MRA/TRP-types demonization of feminism as an anti-men, anti-family, anti-everything decent movement.”

– I was raised amongst peple who think “feminism” means “women’s rights to become as degraded as men and have sex all over the place” (their words not mine). Or, “women’s rights to become as degraded as ‘western women’,” (again their words, not mine). Western women, not so much the men, bear the brunt of these people’s prejudice, racism, xenophobia and perverted sex fantasies. Try explaining to such backward people that feminism stands for all that is good about human potential, its damn hard. Maybe because I grew up amongst them and they see me as one of them it was made harder. Like how parents refuse to learn from their kids or something. That western women themselves, even if its only a handful, are buying into the same crap, its just impossible for me to see, hear, read or believe. But its true. Sadly.

Sheila Crosby
6 years ago

Firstly, I want to give hugs all around. All the hugs.

Secondly, on the atheist/religion thing. I’m an atheist, but I know a gazillion thoroughly nice religious people. I don’t in the least mind people praying or doing whatever else gives them comfort and doesn’t hurt others (ie, as long as they don’t pray AT me). I do think calls for prayer are sometimes used as a diversionary tactic, but not usually by the people doing the praying.

And yes, assholes will generally find a way to be assholes, but I do think there’s one problem specific to religion: it disables the reality checks. It can take people a long time to notice that neither trickle-down economics nor communism work, but they eventually get it. But how do you check what actually happens after we die? Don’t you know God will be angry if you even ask the question? It can spiral hiddiously out of control. It doesn’t necessarily, but it can.

Greta Christina said it better than I can: The Armor of God

Star Lady
6 years ago

What happened tot he photos? There were supposed to be photos of hugs.
I’ll try again.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/romeoliverpool/4824319959/

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Speaking of the prayer thing, I’ve noticed that a ‘post amen for x cause’ thing has been suddenly popping up all over my news feed on Facebook. Is this a recent trending thing? I’m fairly ambivalent about religion, so I don’t mind so much when it’s post-a-prayer-for-this-person-who-asked-us-to-share-this, but when it’s post-amen-to-go-to-heaven-if-you-don’t-awful-things-will-happen, then I’m not too impressed.

I’ve also seen arguments popping up all over fbook, with people asking users not to change their profile pictures to those of the French flag because of France’s colonialist history and previous breaches of human rights, and these posts going viral :(. Other folks have been challenging this admirably though, calmly explaining that they’re changing their pictures in solidarity with the victims of the attacks, and their friends and family – that the show of support is about standing with the civilians, not the state.

However these ‘don’t change your profile pic’ posts have been shared by people who I admire and have learned a great deal from in the past concerning social justice issues, so I’m struggling with the dissonance. I think part of that dissonance comes from France being our close neighbour (I’m in the UK), and so I have personal, professional, past and current connections with Paris, as many people in the UK do. Many of us holiday there, or have made friends there, have relatives living there or have house-shared with an exchange student or studied there. So it’s not surprising that those in the UK feels that strong sense of solidarity in the wake of the attacks.

I dunno, guess I’m just posting here what I wish I could post elsewhere.

dhag85
6 years ago

Wow. I’m not very impressed with the idea that we shouldn’t show solidarity with a country that has just been attacked, just because that country itself doesn’t have a 100% SJW track record. Showing solidarity with someone when times are hard doesn’t mean you endorse everything they’ve ever done, or even everything they’re doing right now. The flag-sharing is obviously in response to the very recent attack. People who take this opportunity to go on about colonialism are no better in my eyes than atheists who use this moment to preach. Bleh.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
6 years ago

“Speaking of the prayer thing, I’ve noticed that a ‘post amen for x cause’ thing has been suddenly popping up all over my news feed on Facebook. Is this a recent trending thing? I’m fairly ambivalent about religion, so I don’t mind so much when it’s post-a-prayer-for-this-person-who-asked-us-to-share-this, but when it’s post-amen-to-go-to-heaven-if-you-don’t-awful-things-will-happen, then I’m not too impressed.”

Misha, prayer will soon be completely replaced by meditation in the West and South to East Asia. The middle region will take a bit longer but even they have zikr and with some help from the global yoga community, can make the transition over the next couple of decades. Turkey is already open. Its our gateway.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

bananananana dakry — “Maybe I get brained with a sump pump, who knows?”

Lol, mine’s about a four inch cube in my open sump… oh, you didn’t mean fish did you? Do a DIY sump, it’ll take your mind of things and has made dealing with my brackish tank sooooooo much easier.

dhag — or we could just, you know, tax the fucking rich so Trump’s kid(s) are still paying for college (and healthcare and the rest) while the poor can access it for free*

*other than any taxes applicable to their income, preferably none below a certain income

I adore Sanders, I’m so voting for his socialist ass.

Chiomara — the how Clinton stands a chance is simple, her husband served his eight years. As in, she’s already well versed in the bullshit of Washington, and possibly the first truly viable female candidate. Plus, Sanders is a socialist and we still act like that’s a thing worse than being an open bigot.

As for religion, or lack thereof, in regards to responding to the attacks… fuck it, I don’t care what you do as long as you aren’t hurting anyone, and that includes pushing your believes (or lack thereof) on them.

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

@dodom

I was just shown this: https://twitter.com/Veeren_Jubbal
GamerGate thought it would be funny to send a guy’s name and pictures to newspaper saying he was one of the men behind the attacks. His picture did make it into the media.

Thanks for sharing this. I hope that David writes about this. It’s a lot like what he’s been going through lately, with false accusations from Jack Barnes and even Cassie Jaye.

dhag85
6 years ago

@Argenti

If I were allowed to vote, I’d vote Sanders as well. He’s been impressive so far. Hillary has been worse than I expected, but I’m at least looking forward to seeing her crush her Republican opponent in the debates. That will be hilarious.

Kale
Kale
6 years ago

@Bernando
1) wasn’t referring to that
2) don’t want to see any child molester’s movies posted casually and will say so

Kale
Kale
6 years ago

Came to say
France now dropping bombs
Fuck this fucking world

dhag85
6 years ago

Aw shit..

dhag85
6 years ago

None other than Dean Esmay taking a stand against islamophobia. Good for him.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

Came to say
France now dropping bombs
Fuck this fucking world

That is part of the tragedy. The world has learned nothing from the recent wars. The bloodshed will continue to fire up under the desperation of the innocent, the hate of the extremists, and the propaganda of the war profiteers.

I’m gonna go get drunk now, *sigh*, cya all soon.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
6 years ago

“France now dropping bombs”

What?! Where?!

bvh
bvh
6 years ago

Came to say
France now dropping bombs

To be precise, they are bombing Raqqa which ISIL claims is it’s capitol.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/middleeast/france-announces-raqqa-airstrikes-on-isis/index.html

In theory, I don’t have a problem with this…IF France is working diplomatically with Syria for access, etc. Failing to make it a collaborative effort will cause more problems in the long run.

But apparently they have a history:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/assad-says-paris-attacks-result-from-frances-aiding-rebels-in-syria/2015/11/14/287f7576-8adc-11e5-bd91-d385b244482f_story.html

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
6 years ago

All of these people are ignorant with no knowledge of Self. Therefore terror and more terror to counter act terror is their only game plan. The yogi sees all sentient beings as acting out the results of their own karma. Buddha says the suffering can end but beings must end their desires. The ignorant must be open to wisdom in order to end their suffering and inflicting suffering on others. A global cultural revolution is in order.

guy
guy
6 years ago
Reply to  bvh

Syria’s been involved in a three-way civil war since Assad decided to launch airstrikes on peaceful demonstrations. There’s Assad’s loyalists, increasingly supported by Russia, ISIS, and a loose coalition of other rebels with some limited Western backing. Assad’s been letting ISIS run wild to discourage the West from attempting to back the other rebels, and the US has been launching airstrikes on ISIS without really caring what Assad thinks about it. His international credibility has been… limited since the period where he used chemical weapons.

epitome of incomprehensibility

OT to the present discussion, but I wonder what’s going to happen to the Paris climate summit that is/was supposed to take place in two weeks? I don’t want to be all “if there’s no climate summit than the terrorists will have won” but I really hope that it isn’t cancelled.

Kale
Kale
6 years ago

Idk about the area in question and I’m too upset right now for research that will fucking HURT but in general I oppose ANY bombing that could kill innocents esp kids, hospitals etc which the US and other such countries do all the damn time. if I find this bombing only hurt actual terrorists I will (prob) then withdraw my objection. I am so used to my country not giving a shit about civilians I admit I did assume this was anther such attack. I’m also fucking exhausted working long hours in anticipation of holiday, family in hospital, etc

A Land Whale
A Land Whale
6 years ago

The whole thing is scary as shit to me. This was not an attack just on Paris or France or Europe or the west. It was an attack on all of civilization. It was an attack on all off us. It was an attack on everyone who doesn’t support ISIS, which is just about every person, every culture, every religion, every country. These are people who want to drag us all back to the 7th century. The extra scary thing is there is nothing to negotiate. These people have zero interest in putting their arms down and working out a solution. It’s their way or nothing. Even if they would negotiate, these people don’t want anything that can possibly be given to them. They want a global caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, and the apocalypse. We can’t even bargain with them for their lives because they don’t care if they die. They think if they die, they will be martyrs so they get to go to heaven where the main appeal is getting to rape a bunch of virgins for eternity. WHO THE FUCK FINDS THAT APPEALING?! Well, I guess if you think that murdering random people would get you into heaven then that kind of heaven would appeal to you.

I’m also scared for the safety of normal Arabs and Muslims. People get crazy and think if they push a random Arab in front of a train somehow it does justice (yes, that really happened if you haven’t heard). One of the first things people started saying is “screw all the Muslims”‘and to not let them in to any country and to round them up and kick them out or round them up and kill them. THEY HATE THIS SHIT TOO! They like Isis as much as Christians like Westborough Baptist. So they are stuck (and fucked). I’m TERRIFIED of an Arab holocaust.

I also can’t handle a bunch of people pretending to be enlightened and saying that you shouldn’t feel bad about what happened in Paris unless you care equally about what happened in (insert location of other tragedy here). Because ALL mourning and tragedy over every event is the only thing that counts. If you don’t mourn everything you’re not allowed to mourn anything. I have absolutely no patience for that shit. Grrr. Just GRRRRRR.

Yes, let’s not mourn for our oldest allies. Let’s not mourn for those closest to us. Let’s pretend that the majority of us HAVEN’T decried this war since day one. Let’s pretend a lot of us DON’T already care about all the other war crimes in the world. SHUT YOUR FUCKING FACE, UNCLE FUCKER! There is no virtue in pretending to care about every problem ever just so you can condescend to everyone around you. That is something only a shit ass does. A shitty gross shit ass…with necrotizing fasciitis…and maggots eating the shitty dead ass flesh.

Idea: show up at one of their family members’ funerals and insist that they are misguided and unenlightened because they didn’t cry nearly as much for some random kid who died in the streets in Mongolia and that they’re sooooo insensitive because they knew that there were problems in Mongolia……

CAN’T

I also can’t shake my fear that somebody won’t decide to dust off the a-bomb and just level the whole Middle East because that could be what it takes to stop this. Innocent lives and permanent environmental damage be damned. As long as the enemies die too… Never mind that the enemies are all over the world and even if the Middle East was completely leveled, that wouldn’t stop terrorists that are currently in other countries… It would probably just piss them off even more and make them even more murderous.

It’s too much!! It’s scarier than 911 in a way. We know exactly how scary our enemies are now. And they’ve actually gotten worse. -has stroke, dies-

Thank you for giving me a rant space!

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
6 years ago

“The whole thing is scary as shit to me. This was not an attack just on Paris or France or Europe or the west. It was an attack on all of civilization”

I am uneasy with that kind of hyperbole.

It’s a terrorist act who killed an infime fraction of Paris population, and things like that happen regulary since at least 30 years. It’s horrible, but it’s neither new, exceptional, or worth a war for. And it’s as much a consequence of racism and poverty in France than a result of ISIS.

As someone else said, every day syrien lose the same amount of population to terrorism than France in several year.,

Bananananana dakry
Bananananana dakry
6 years ago

@AA

I was thinking one of them big-ass home improvement sump pumps that are about twenty pounds. Or maybe I could get done in by a space toilet seat, see “Dead Like Me”, or some other goofy-ass shit. None know the hour or day, all that. If I have to have an obituary, I figure I should make people double-take at it.

My current setups aren’t too elaborate due to space and upkeep concerns in our apartment. 29 with a Marineland Magnum 350 (that I had the MAJOR luck to win in a raffle) and a Fluval Spec V and Spec III, all freshwater. The latter are *damn* nice tanks for their size, and the six ember tetras and four deranged male Endlers are doing smashingly. Ditto the assassin snails, the four cherry shrimp, and the unwanted masses of small snails that hiked in on the Java fern.

@A Land Whale

I am getting really damned tired of that kind of grief shaming, too. We’re fucking *human*, we *have* to choose which events effect us more than others, or it’s overload time. It’s like, so my cousin’s second cousin’s aunt’s third cousin by marriage died, so I’m not allowed to grieve my own mother? What the ever-loving fuck? It smacks to me a lot of the same silencing/ shaming tatics MRAs attempt to use on us to not complain about gender relations in North America because somewhere else women are getting stoned to death for looking funny at the wrong guy. The latter is abhorrent, true, but it doesn’t make the former any less relevant.

occasional reader
occasional reader
6 years ago

Hello (from France).

Thank you everybody for the supports. It is always quite appreciated in dire events like this.

If i am allowed a small spike, however, it would be that we have here some kind of plane accident / car accident effect. There are vairous african and middle-east countries which are often hit by “small” terrorist attacks (there is nothing like small for an attack, of course, the meaning here is that the bodycount for one attack is smaller than the one we had last Friday), with a terribly sadly higher frequency, but they get less media exposure and/or we are sadly more “accustomed” to them (“Oh, another kamikaze attack in Niger. Sad. Oh, my favorite soccer team lost against this other one ! Let me rant about it for the day), even if the bodycount for a full year is far bigger. If we could also think about them a bit more often, maybe it could not be bad, i think.

If some of you look for information on french sites (and are not french), beware of false informations, conspiracy theories and other extremist rants. As you know, this stuff sprouts very quickly but it is sometimes very well disguised.

Daech obviously claims that it is its move, to strike fear and pain in the heart of one country for his support in the figth against them. That is right, of course, but that is only one part. The other (non told) part is to strike fear in the heart of the migrants (and those who may want to migrate). As Daech want to build a califate, it wants it with as many people to rule on as possible. The recent migrant waves annoyed them almost as much as military actions. So they hope that by raising hate on the side of (not so) welcoming countries, people considers it a second time before migrating and eventually remains under its control.
Hope we can prove them wrong.

On another note : an anti-harrasment poster campaign has begun in parisian public transportation.

Have a nice day.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ occasional reader

You raise a good point. People forget that ISIS have as much interest in shutting down the flow of refugees as they do in directly attacking the West. It’s a clever tactic on their part to use refugees for the bombings. It makes the political climate in the West less receptive to accepting refugees.

Ironically, for all its faults, such actions were anathema to the original Al Qeada. UBL was highly critical of refugees or naturalised citizens attacking their adoptive countries, he considered it an unacceptable ingratitude.

dhag85
6 years ago

Howard Stern’s radio shows from 9/11 and 9/12 are on youtube. I listened to them a while back and it really opened my eyes to how many people instinctively react in these situations. It’s fascinating and vomit inducing at the same time.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

it really opened my eyes to how many people instinctively react in these situations. It’s fascinating and vomit inducing at the same time.

-dhag85

It’s fear, I think. To paraphrase Frank Herbert and Robert E. Howard in one go: Fear is the mind killer; nothing else reveals the red handed ape, so quickly.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

Belated hugs to all the French Mammotheers. =/ Uggh… Just. Fuck the planet.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Ugh. Literally as I was reading the comments my colleague expanded on the “Muslim pushed in front of a train” story someone mentioned. It happened in London Underground. The woman is okay, she got away with grazes to her face, and the man has been arrested on count of attempted murder. I must admit, England does have a problem with racism and the recent terror attacks have brought the skinheads out in droves.

Also, I really really don’t want us to join in with the new wave of bombing ISIS controlled countries. It’s going to wind up as tit for tat violence and then we’ll have another repeat of 1970s Belfast, but world wide.

guy
guy
6 years ago
Reply to  sunnysombrera

ISIS doesn’t control any countries. They’re currently fighting the Syrian and Iraqi governments as part of their long-term stated goal of uniting Islam and killing the infidels. They nearly conquered Baghdad, but the Iraqi forces rallied and have been pushing back with the help of airstrikes against tank columns, and Kurdish militias coordinating with US air support have recently retaken a strategic city in northern Iraq.

ISIS effectively declared war on the world when their leader named himself Caliph and just hadn’t previously gotten around to attacking Europe.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
6 years ago

ISIS needs yoga and meditation and Hanuman and Ganesh and Durga and Kali and, and, and…. and so does everyone else.