Dear Paul Elam: Criticizing you is not equivalent to inciting murder

Eliott Rogers frequented hate sites against women and literally talked about his hate towards women very explicitly. What more do you even need?! MRA style hate groups literally use his avatar and stuff when they troll, so its not like he was shunned by the slime. Many many male killers have been very clear sbout their misogyny even the Unabomber, the Columbine killers, hell the overused Hitler was anti-feminist despite thst Rush Limblaurgh “feminazi” crap. Hating women and feminism is very typical of male killers, particularly white cis hetero ones to be specific, a hate of privileged entitled people that is directed at an oppressed class. Which is basically what the MRAPUAETC phenomenon is. It would be MUCH more difficult to try to find a mass murderer who was truly feminist! Why do MRAs and bigots in general always resort to sounding like angry cartoon villians having tantrums? They will say things like “you LIAR!” but never can present real evidence or logic to support that shit. The fact that we dont care what sumb little infighting subgroup you all are in is because you all are very hard to tell apart to outsiders (read: logical, compassionate people who dont live in a privilege bubble and study social issues properly).

I think the Elams of the world are able to be so hypocritical because they really dont get the basic morality of how other people are people whose feelings matter. Doxxing isnt wrong in and of itself, only doxxing THEM is wrong because no one else matters, least of all women. (As grateful as I am to David and as horrific his treatment is, as he himself has mentioned, of he were a woman his life would be way more like Anita’s right now, there is just something sbout women that inspires a dramatic increase in harassment). They throw around allusions to murder and rape like its nothing because they care so little about real rape and murder victims. Their empatjy is blunted and their entitlement is high,

A note on circumcision, it does kill infants, albeit rarely in the U.S., and it is unnecessary mutilation. Doxxing those doctors is still wrong, and since on the internet basic morality is apparently not obvious and must be stated, it is wrong because it could get those docs killed and there is no “self defense” type logic to defend that when the doctors are doing their best to NOT harm the infants and it is only a rare mistake that causes harm. I just wanna put that out there because I dont think minimizing circumcision is a good thing, if you dont care about the (assigned) male infants themselves you could consider how a circumcision-permissive culture contributes to (the far more harmful) intersex infant mutilation and FGM.

Kale

(read: logical, compassionate people who dont live in a privilege bubble and study social issues properly).

Tell them this, and you are a bigot…….I kept trying to explain to them why the men’s rights sub reddit is not a legitimate source, and they called me a bully/bigot :O I don’t think they realise that if we want we to play that game, then I get to use a feminist blog as evidence……both are opinions. They genuinely believe that by simply linking to the men’s rights sub reddit/avfm that they have discredited everything you have said……….but they are soo not a cult! They are also like screaming about social science and how it is isn’t science.

They seem particularly hateful right now, the whole thing is getting out of control. I am from the uk and they recently targeted feminsist MP Jess Phillips, and Jeremy Corbyn for daring to support her. Corbyn is a socialist – it was no surprise to me that the hateful messages aimed at them on twitter ect were 95% sargon and thunderft subscribers…I was shocked by the percentage when I looked on twitter. Considering that sargon loves making videos about the “radical left” and the “disease of the left”, you start to get an idea of what is going on. The men’s rights movement is hate group, It needs addressing.

Remember, these people generally believe “feminism is crumbling/falling apart”, although at the same time they believe feminists run all the media and every government, so who the fuck knows.

Also regarding harassment? Yea I was a target. I’ve been both threatened with rape, called too ugly to rape, called a tranny, imitated in an attempt to alienate me from my friends by painting me as one of the bigots I oppose. Notably when presume to be cis male they generally will just call me white knight I’m really small potatoes so that’s even more scary. It isn’t only happening to popular people. These people have no life apparently. They want to dominate commenting and they are winning because no one is moderating. People like me have to disengage and delete social media accounts for safety and sanity. However they rarely produce good original content whereas even sites like CollegeHumor are making smart feminist / anti-racist etc content. So in a bigger way they are losing.

Argenti I am just now seeing your comment. I am trying I just not argue with strangers online, because people tend to completely ignore facts even when I post scientific studies and shit, so all I’m gonna say is that I stand by what so said.

You’re on quite the “murder spree” there, Dave the Wingnut Slayer. First, white supremacist Paul Elam is shaking in his boots over fellow bed wetter Jack Barnes? Then white nationalist Judgybitch starts peeing in her loafers? (One can only hope she doesn’t off the mail carrier for fear of people showing up on the front porch.) She’s probably a shut-in with way too many cats. Meanwhile, Elam is busy scraping sweet professional victim GriftCoin from the bottom of the barrel and Barnes is off begging his mom to iron his pointy silk hat for the Saturday night hootenanny. None of these people could find their butt cracks if you drew them a map. For crusaders of white power they certainly are squirrelly. You’re obviously doing something right – they reek of desperation.

Yikes. That video is something on the order of ‘The Hills Have Eyes’ with beer pong. I know I shouldn’t, but I simply couldn’t help but point it out. The Justin Bieber types parroting these old farts should get a load who they’re mimicking. That would put a stop to it in no time flat;) “Crap, my heroes are a raging Viagra commercial!”

P.S. weirwood: “If someone is a shut in” – they might also be a whacked out white nationalist with too much time on their hands. Judgybitch doesn’t look particularly elderly… just not right in the head. She’s probably considerably younger than I am, so I’m guessing you’re the one making it about age? As a grandma with very little patience for this nonsense, yours or the “men’s rights” nitwits’, I’ll say what I mean and mean what I say. You, too, might benefit from growing a thicker skin if you’re messing with white supremacists. They like nothing better than a perpetual victim.

@weirwoodtreehugger

I’ve encountered kfreed before on Raw Story, where they were banned multiple times (at least twice for making threatening comments at me personally). Not a nice person at all.

Kale — I understand completely the frustration of arguing online, and if you decide not to reply to this, that’s totally cool, no hard feelings, I’m not gonna judge if you’d rather go have tea 🙂

But if you’re up for it, I am genuinely curious about studies linking the various forms of genital mutilation. I switched from sociology to psychology as a major, and if you don’t want to educate me, well, that’s really not something I can judge you for, going all EDUCATE ME NOW is an asshole move, but if you have anything handy, I promise not to get defensive about being challenged. When I said I agreed with most of what you said, I didn’t mean you were necessary wrong about the rest!

In other things, is suspect your comment about being harassed went into the mod filter cuz you said tr*nny, and the filter isn’t smart enough to read the context. That said, I am terribly sorry you face that harassment, that’s fucked up shit no one should ever have to take. I do hope you are right that in the grand scheme of things, they’re losing, because holy hell is reading comments anywhere else a nightmare, moderating out the filth is too much to ask? Grand, then go somewhere else. Aka here, cuz here is the only place I trust the comments and commenters to hold a solid no bigotry policy.