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Any woman in tech could be a false-accusing feminist honey trap, addled open source guru warns

... she might be a secret feminist honey trap trying to frame you!!11!
… she might be a secret feminist honey trap trying to frame you!!11!

I can’t even.

I’ve been tracking misogynistic ridiculousness on this blog for five years, but I’m not sure I ‘ve ever run across anything quite as ridiculous as this.

A prominent Open Source guru, Eric Raymond, is warning tech dudes to be extra super duper careful around their female colleagues, because any one of them could turn out to be a secret feminist “honey trap” aiming to frame men in tech with false allegations of harassment or rape.

In a blog post earlier this week, Raymond passed along what he called a “disturbing warning … from a source I trust.”

His anonymous source warned him that it was no longer safe for men in tech to mentor women, or even be in the same room with them. “I’m super careful about honey traps,” the source wrote.

For a while, that’s how the Ada Initiative was trying to pre-generate outrage and collect scalps.

That’s right; according to this mysterious source the now-defunct Ada Initiative wasn’t actually a non-profit trying to bring more women into the open source world; it was a secret army of false-accusing honey-trap sex commandos, or something.

“The MO was to get alone with the target, and then immediately after cry ‘attempted sexual assault,'” the source wrote, adding that these devious sex harpies disguised as female programmers had already “made multiple runs” at Linux creator Linus Torvalds.

Naturally, faced with a set of outlandish accusations offered with zero proof, Raymond did what any rational, skeptical, scientifically minded man would do: he posted them on his blog and warned men that even being in the general vicinity of a woman at a tech conference was like playing with a loaded false accusation gun, or something.

[I]f you are any kind of open-source leader or senior figure who is male, do not be alone with any female, ever, at a technical conference. Try to avoid even being alone, ever, because there is a chance that a “women in tech” advocacy group is going to try to collect your scalp.

He expressed outrage at the alleged attempts to sully Torvalds’ name.

If my source is to be believed (and I have found him both well-informed and completely trustworthy in the past) this was not a series of misunderstandings, it was a deliberately planned and persistent campaign to frame Linus and feed him to an outrage mob.

I have to see it as an an attempt to smear and de-legitimize the Linux community (and, by extension, the entire open-source community) in order to render it politically pliable.

Will those sexy feminazi sex hyenas stop at nothing?

Linus hasn’t spoken out about this; I can think of several plausible and good reasons for that.

Apparently “because it’s not true” isn’t one that Raymond thought of.

Even though “the Ada Initiative shut down earlier this year,” Raymond went on warn that the danger will likely persist as long as evil SJWs live and breathe.

[T]his report is consistent with reports of SJW dezinformatsiya tactics from elsewhere and I think it would be safest to assume that they are being replicated by other women-in-tech groups.

And any women who are unhappy that they are being lumped in with these devious honey traps can go fuck themselves, because you ladies brought all this on yourself with your talk of rape culture and all that. And yes, he uses the word “ladies.”

Don’t like that, ladies? Tough. You were just fine with collective guilt when the shoe was on the other foot. Enjoy your turn!

Oh, and then Raymond says that in light of this irrefutable evidence of feminazi infiltration conspiracy theory utterly lacking in proof of any kind and frankly ludicrous to boot, he’s going to apply the skepticism he should have shown his mysterious source’s wild tale to actual accusations of sexual assault leveled at men in tech.

Naturally, the extended manosphere is abuzz with talk of this vast sexy conspiracy. Breitbart Tech breathlessly reported that “FEMINISTS ARE TRYING TO FRAME LINUS TORVALDS FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT, CLAIMS OPEN SOURCE INDUSTRY VETERAN.”

“If true,” Breitbart’s Allum Bokhari declared,

these claims will rock the world of software development, not to mention the wider tech community, which is suffering under the yoke of diversity campaigners levelling bogus charges of sexism at companies and individuals and pestering companies to improve their diversity credentials.

Discontent at the behaviour of feminists in tech has already been spreading in the open source community thanks to the feminist-led introduction of controversial codes of conduct for developers on some open source projects. But these new claims elevate feminists in tech from the controversial to the potentially criminal.

“If true,” claims that monkeys are flying out of my butt would rock the world of monkeys, not to mention the wider butt community.

Concluding his article, Bokhari wonders why

other tech news outlets – normally champing at the bit to report on diversity issues – have so far been curiously silent on this story. Breitbart Tech is, thus far, the exception.

Maybe because these tech news outlets prefer to write about, you know, tech news and not the fever dreams of misogynistic conspiracy theorists?

On Reddit, meanwhile, the usual suspects are doing what they usually do. KotakuInAction, the main Gamergate hub on Reddit, the Breitbart story drew more than 2600 upvotes, last I checked; on the Men’s Rights subreddit it garnered nearly a thousand.

And people wonder why women don’t feel welcome in tech? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that tech bigwigs like Raymond literally think every woman in their general vicinity is a potential “honey trap” out to steal his “scalp” if not his precious bodily fluids.

 

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raysa
raysa
5 years ago

For a long time, we have been told that women can’t STEM.

When it was proven that women can actually STEM, and women began to get education in prestigious schools, some men felt like the very presence of women in those schools were taking away spots that those men were entitled to have. See Mark Lepine.

Now that we have made some headway, now that the mens know that they couldn’t keep us out, the only solution is to get women out of the space that rightfully belongs to the mens. And they will employ any tactic to do that, apparently, including the WOMEN BE SKEERY HONEY TRAPS THAT WILL SCALP YOU TO KEEP US FROM STEMMING OMG THE FEE MALES MUST BE STOPPED GAAH.

autosoma
5 years ago
Reply to  Moggie

it’s sussing the intent of the code, if its legacy then your going to have enormous issues unit testing and refactoring. I don’t envy you, well I do, if your working by yourself.

I started a new job 19 days ago I’ve been 7 days on the companies flagship product, integrating salesforce, entity framework and doing front end code jquery etc and the moody cockstar longtern frontend developed has it in for me. I’m quite fragile at the moment so three weeks in, unstable hone and a stroppy work colleague… not a good time to be writing high quality code

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@autosoma, I’m always torn by Drake. I like the music, but some of his lyrics are so ridiculous.

@contrapangloss, python was one of my firsts 🙂 A great place to start. I haven’t used it for years now

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 years ago

The one thing about maintainability is, after 10 years in the field, to read again what you did ten year ago and that you forgot about completely.

If it’s horrible, it give pointers on what to avoid.

If it seem perfectly clear, then you have to work on self-awareness.

autosoma
5 years ago
Reply to  contrapangloss

are you using R, I used it on an actuarial system for calculating assurance risk… it was awesome

Hedin
Hedin
5 years ago

Yep, @AnAndrejaPejicBlog, and because one woman once may have overreacted to something, that means all sexual harassment claims ever are an evil feminist plot!

Seriously. Is that the best you’ve got?

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@autosoma sorry to hear that, starting a new job is stressful enough without home situation being less than stellar 🙁

My mantra in bad times is to repeat to myself “the only constant in life is change”. It won’t always feel this way.

mockingbird
5 years ago

working and maintainable I think as well should be thrown into the mix.

Honestly, that’s may main criteria for “elegant”.
Is it confusing to others well-versed in the language?
No?
Awesome.

But I am a novice.

Most of the complaints I know about shit code come from listening to people in my life complain 😀

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Byron Hudson

The way I see it.
A.) He is lying and will make a fool of himself
B.)He is telling the truth but has no evidence thus making a fool of himself again.
C.) He is telling the truth and will eventually follow up with evidence. Making all of you look like fools

Hey, Byron, you’ve obviously given this some thought.

So help us out here: Why will he “eventually follow up with evidence”?

And what kind of time line are you talking about when you say “eventually”?

And why should we believe him in the interim?

The way I see it, if you have a charge to make against someone, you have proof. Otherwise, it’s just a lie and a smear campaign.

That’s the way this feminist looks at it.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Why yes, I do use R! I love R. R is my friend. R is best statistics programming program.

It also seems like it has a few things that carry over to python, but not enough to make it super easy.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

(matlab is also cool, but also expensive and not super flexible, so I don’t play with it often)

Honey trap extraordinaire
Honey trap extraordinaire
5 years ago

Oh my fucking God it was ESR behind this rumor? The dude thinks straight people can’t get hiv and that he’s a literal god. The guy has been a joke for at least fifteen years if not longer. Is this some kind of last grab at relevance?

Binjabreel
Binjabreel
5 years ago

Yeah, I’ll agree with SFHC- he probably just yanked Torvald’s name out of a hat labeled “known tech shitheads”.

Still, though, I stand by my statement that I’d have exactly zero surprise.

Either way, holy crap going through some of this guy’s writing makes me horrified.

autosoma
5 years ago

fuck me sideways watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMGvjszu4s she sets fire to her parachute and free falls… fuckin hell totally awesome

Shaenon
5 years ago

The way I see it.
A.) He is lying and will make a fool of himself
B.)He is telling the truth but has no evidence thus making a fool of himself again.
C.) He is telling the truth and will eventually follow up with evidence. Making all of you look like fools

If he’s following the established Breitbart/Gamergate playbook, I’m leaning toward

D.) He knows plenty of dumbasses will believe any tall tale as long as it caters to their particular bigotries, and they’ll take the story viral before anyone bothers to find out if it’s true. Years from now, long after it’s been debunked and forgotten by everyone else, online misogynists will still be insisting there’s a secret man-hating feminist training camp disguised as a tech nonprofit that teaches women to pretend to be engineers so they can falsely accuse real engineers (i.e. men) of sexual harassment.

You know, just like currently they’re still insisting that one time a woman cried because a man got in an elevator.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

“You know how men are. You try to get them interested in STEM, and all they want to do is gossip and talk about hair.”

<3

Moggie re: COBOL — it's dying so slowly that I fairly recently had a psych suggest (more like insist with that one) that it would be a good field for me since I know about computers (yes, really, apparently web dev = ALL THE COMPUTERS!)

Freemage — holy shit batman, nice takedown! Tangentially — "That would be the evo-psych rape-apologists who talk about how men can’t help but want to rape women because Darwin." — yeah, my Darwin thinks males must hump everything, but he's a tortoise! The human Darwin said fuck all about such things, not that that stops assholes from using him to justify them acting like tortoises!

I love my little guy, I really do, but please don't stick your bizarre flower shaped penis out when I'm bathing you! That's the level of "logic" we get from these guys — ooooh, my genitals are warm, must be time to mate!!!

If you can write code, you can string together a thought process involving "no, I shouldn't try to fuck now"

autosoma — if your front end dev is anything like me, show up with an extra coffee, and if you both smoke, maybe offer one. Might get them to chill the fuck out a bit, at least for me, when I get like that it's a fear of being pushed out combined with "this fucker is gonna fuck up my code goddamnit".

Or maybe I'm just easily bribed with coffee (I'm easily bribed with coffee)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

“You know, just like currently they’re still insisting that one time a woman cried because a man got in an elevator.”

Seriously. I’m socially inept and dear gods do I drink a lot of coffee, and even I realized straight away that he wasn’t after a thoughtful discussion over a late night coffee! And fuck, “yeah, guys, maybe don’t do that” is pretty much exactly what she said, totally non-threatening, and entirely fucking reasonable!

James Haynes
5 years ago

Eric Raymond: Your Honor, I call to the stand my surprise witness: The Source That Never Lies.

Everyone: OOOOOOOOOOH!

Eric Raymond: But only I can see him and hear him, so I’ll tell you what he’s doing and saying.

Anfenwick
5 years ago

‘Don’t mentor women’ is an absolutely classic way of keeping women out of anything and everything. Stops them even getting started.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
5 years ago

And fuck, “yeah, guys, maybe don’t do that” is pretty much exactly what she said, totally non-threatening, and entirely fucking reasonable!

A feeemale is always hysterical, hormonal and most likely crying and/or screaming when she is asking anything of a man. These irrational creatures have driven poor men from their homes to seek refuge in pubs, which were invented after many enough feeeemales had hysterically screamcried their men to do light dusting and sometimes even the dishes.

Tessa
5 years ago

Amy L Murphy:

http://i.imgur.com/GbS6yk4l.png

Wow, that guy put so much stupidity in just two sentences. That’s pretty impressive.
1)I think the bigger issue is women being treated so dramatically different than men, not men being “expected to treat females differently than males.” If they showed the same level of respect for women as they do men (by respect I mean as a person, as in having the same respect for a woman you don’t know as you would a man you don’t know (this is to preempt the “respect is earned blah blah blah” types)), there’d be less of a problem.

2)And I really hate the “it’s a tough field” no matter the gender bit. All those things that make it a “tough field” for men? Women have to deal with those too, aaand in addition they have to deal with the gender bias and sexism.

Jo
Jo
5 years ago

ESR has always been 95% mouth, 5% trousers. A good writer, but for all his talk about code, he’s written almost nothing of great value or interest. Linus, on the other hand, is an abrasive asshole, but his achievement is monumental. Raymond had been trying to attach himself to that glory for years. I remember several patronising attempts to play wise mentor on the LKML; you could hear the cringe every time.

This is more of the same, worth the side-effect of linking sexual harassment to Linus’ name, something he afaik doesn’t deserve,.

Probably the most embarrassing ESR incident was when, soon after 9/11, he announced he’d thought of a terrorist attack which couldn’t be defended against. He was trying to get in touch with his extremely high level contact at the CIA who for some strange reason weren’t returning his calls, but in the meantime he wanted all the jihadists out there to know that if they were planning to try to come to his house to find out this super-attack, he had lots of guns. So there. Then a few days later he announced he’d thought of a defence against the scheme to end all schemes and America could sleep soundly in its bed again.

In short, this is the latest in a long line of idiotic pronouncements from a man who knows somewhere how irrelevant he is.

megpie71
5 years ago

The problem with conspiracy theorists in general, and this sort of null-evidentiary conspiracy theory in particular, is that the theorist has set up their logic to function in a “heads I win, tails you lose” fashion, and there is no way of winning the argument against them.

If you do the research and find that there is no evidence of the conspiracy, they will point to the lack of evidence of a conspiracy as evidence for a greater conspiracy aimed at suppressing the evidence of the original conspiracy.

If you go to the people who are supposed to be conspirators and ask them whether there’s a conspiracy, and the supposed-conspirators deny it, the conspiracy theorist merely resorts to the Rice-Davies dismount (“Well, they would [say that], wouldn’t they?”).

If, finally, at the end of multiple efforts to try and insert some logic into the whole discussion, you break down and say “Yes, yes, there is a conspiracy! We all meet at 11.30am every Thursday at the town hall to plot the ultimate excruciating downfall of you, $INSERT_NAME, personally; and then adjoin to the nearby diner at midday to plot World Domination!!! over lunch”, they just smile smugly at you and say they knew it all along.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Lol, $INSERT_NAME reminds me of the problem in all the code for my ex’s site — he uses CamelCase, I use _ and WordPress defaults to – making for an absolute hodgepodge of code. Otoh, easy to tell who fucked it up (always nice to be able to go “see that dash? This is WP weirdness, don’t blame me!”)

So yeah, elegant code is consistent.

megpie71
5 years ago

The really fun thing? I think that whole “$VARIABLE” thing was originally a COBOL convention. I picked it up through sidewise contamination reading the Jargon File (published as “The Hacker’s Dictionary” – edited by ESR[1]) and hanging around in the scary devil monastery while newsgroups were still a Thing. I have never coded in COBOL in my life – Pascal, Basic, C and Java (of the bunch, I prefer C, because at least that vaguely makes sense to me, and it encourages me to treat computer code as the powerful weapon it is. C has been described as not so much allowing programmers to shoot themselves in the foot, but handing them the ammo and helping them to reload afterwards!)

[1] Ob On-topic reference.

Kagato
Kagato
5 years ago

I didn’t want to give any boost to posts like ESR’s, so I went through a donotlink URL to view it.

http://www.donotlink.com/h8ku

Amusingly, the interstitial page says “Other users have classified this link as: Nonsense”

jy3
jy3
5 years ago

Okay, can someone who understands this mindset better than I do (or one of the trolls we get around here) help me with something?

Suppose that, hypothetically, there were a vast conspiracy that badger-gamed men in tech.
What motive do they have?

If it were money, why tech and not, say, finance?

guy
guy
5 years ago

@numerobis

Well, it mostly gives job security when the code needs to be maintained, so they can’t move the programmer to another slot, plus the occasional horror story from programmers at a non-tech company where the management can’t tell that the code is a mess, just that it works. If it’s something that absolutely has to be maintained, it can provide job security for a long, long time. Of course, it’s not likely to get you a new job.

Programmers working with the IRS have actually wound up in this situation through no fault of their own, because the initial system was written so long ago that it originally was six bit, and it was at no point acceptable to not have an up to date, functional tax system come filing time. So it’s in a horrifying customized version of IBM assembler. They’re currently in yet another attempt to write a new one; the last attempt was cancelled when it reached a point where it took five times as much processing power and also didn’t work.

guy
guy
5 years ago

On the plus side, the system is fast.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Suppose that, hypothetically, there were a vast conspiracy that badger-gamed men in tech.
What motive do they have?

If it were money, why tech and not, say, finance?

Because tech is a male safe space and it’s a lot more fun for us evil feminists to ruin it for men. Besides, our lady brains would bungle up finance if we tried to invade it and we need successful men in finance to have someone to get beta bux from.

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

@Hedin

I was quoting someone else and for got the @. I know quite well that was a complete BS retelling of Elevatorgate. I saw Dawkins’ ‘Dear Muslima’ appear on Pharyngula in real time.

Subspace Radio Signals

Reblogged this on Subspace Radio Signals and commented:
IIRC he now infests the Neopagan community, or at least the “Humanistic” Atheist wing of it.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@Tessa

OK, I love how these guys hand wave away any study that shows how STEM fields aren’t bias-free meritocracies that value white men solely for their amazing intellect.

“Maybe they are reluctant because they fear being accused of misconduct”

Women are genuine threats whose behavior requires them to be shunned. Seems reasonable.

“or being expected to treat females differently than males”

Feeemales are ready being treated differently due to sexism, that’s actually the problem people want addressed, hence the excerpt from ’Sexism in the Tech Industry’: “Science professors at American universities widely regard female undergraduates, with the same accomplishments and skills, as less competent than male students”.

“And when it comes down to it in a tough field you have to be tough no matter what your gender is.”

These guys rail against any attempt to increase diversity in STEM fields because that somehow automatically means quotas. Quotas bad and meritocracy good! We can only have a meritocracy by ignoring all existing inequalities and changing nothing. Cue victim blaming, evil straw-feminist cautionary tales, and/or Orwell quotes.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

…Byron has figured the super sekret plans of Katie-Hivemind out! Whatever will we do now?! Oh yeah…once he is finished making his way through the exit and its room floored-with-sharp-legos there’s a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhmbulance waiting to take him out to the pasture so he can frolic with all the other trolls that come through here, just don’t let him know that’s simply a stopping point before they all go to the mens internment camp.

Hail Katie.

guy
guy
5 years ago

Oh, and I should probably discuss elegant code since I brought it up.

There’s a lot of different rules out there on the internet for how you should format your variables and use whitespace. Ultimately, it’s not really important which set of rules you use; it’s important that they be consistent. Ideally, your company should have an official, written coding standard that dictates how you name things and how you should use whitespace and various other little details, so everyone writes things the same way and knows exactly how it should be interpreted. It should probably be consistent with the libraries that come bundled with the preferred programming language unless there’s a highly compelling reason for it to be different.

One guideline that I would universally recommend is using curly brackets{} for if statements. In Java and many other languages, an if statement without curly brackets will treat the next line as the body of the if. That’s handy for lots of little one-line statements, but it’s easy to forget to add the brackets when making it into a two-line statement.

More generally, any variable or function name should tell you approximately what it’s for*. If there is any room for confusion, use comments. If a function is getting complicated and hard to read, break it into smaller functions with clear names so someone can look at your top function and know approximately what happens; this also lets you use JUnit or another test harness to check each part for correctness individually. There’s a mathematical measure called Cyclomatic Complexity that essentially counts the number of different branches in a function. Start at one, add one for every if (don’t count an isolated else), case, while, and for statement, and add one for each boolean operator inside their conditions. Don’t add the complexity of called functions. I’m told that empirical evidence shows that software quality falls sharply if this number exceeds four because it becomes easy to misread and hard to test, though I personally suspect that if you’ve got an input that could be in any of fifteen distinct categories it’s better to have one complexity fifteen function than to arbitrarily break it into several smaller ones.

*Exception: for historical and typing reasons, i, j, and k are standard names for integers used for loop control.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

it’s easy to forget to add the brackets when making it into a two-line statement

I learned this the hard way on a final coding project for a class where the code we were supplied and told to update had an if statement without the braces. Spent so many hours trying to trace down that bug. 🙁

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Raymond sounds like a rational guy and is probably right.

(points and laughs) Ha, good one.

The way I see it.
A.) He is lying and will make a fool of himself
B.)He is telling the truth but has no evidence thus making a fool of himself again.
C.) He is telling the truth and will eventually follow up with evidence. Making all of you look like fools

You people are always going on about how #yesallmen are rapists and misogynists who want nothing more to rape women. If they are making sure they are never alone with a woman in a room at all times then I imagine the sexual assault rates will drop significantly. I recall a certain women crying because a guy asked her for coffee in a elevator. If he was making sure he was never alone with a woman in a elevator he would still be attacked

The way you see it = massive pile of horseshit. If he can’t produce evidence of any actual false accusations up front, let alone a massive feminist conspiracy like he claims, he’s got nothin’.

Also, Rebecca Watson (she has a name, google it) didn’t “cry because a guy asked her for coffee in an elevator”. She didn’t cry at all. She calmly pointed out that a guy following her out of a conference, very late at night, and making a pass at her in a closed space she couldn’t get out of, was deeply, darkly and extremely creepy, and that guys shouldn’t do that.

Do try to keep up. You look like a fool already.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

“A prominent Open Source guru, Eric Raymond” has infinitely more credibility then the clowns who run this joke blog. Christ an entire article of whiny unsourced butthurt.

(points and laughs some more) Funny, that’s what I said about Eric Raymond’s super-seekwit “feminist” conspiracy theory, too!

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

Suppose that, hypothetically, there were a vast conspiracy that badger-gamed men in tech.
What motive do they have?

I imagine it’s to get some of that sweet sexual harassment/assault/rape privilege.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Tangentially — “That would be the evo-psych rape-apologists who talk about how men can’t help but want to rape women because Darwin.” — yeah, my Darwin thinks males must hump everything, but he’s a tortoise! The human Darwin said fuck all about such things, not that that stops assholes from using him to justify them acting like tortoises!

I love my little guy, I really do, but please don’t stick your bizarre flower shaped penis out when I’m bathing you! That’s the level of “logic” we get from these guys — ooooh, my genitals are warm, must be time to mate!!!

And they don’t even need warm water to “inspire” them. The mere sight of a Croc will do:

(That tiny squawk is so darn poignant!)

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

@kagato
I haven’t actually clicked your donotlink, but I’m really amused that the url is h8ku. I’m now picturing hateful haikus by MRAs.

Female harpie witch
Why doesn’t she sex me up?
Forever alone

Fur Elly
Fur Elly
5 years ago

ESR, ah where do I begin. Reading his blog tells me that Eric is a wannabe “thought leader” in the open source movement who wrote a book 23 years ago and is still trying to cruise on that brief notoriety. He is in his late 50’s and staring into the face of age and irrelevance and starting to thrash around maniacally to keep his meager bona fides above the water line. He hangs out with the “cool kid” younger programmers trying to impress them with his stories of writing all the code that underpins EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD! He has a weird love/hate relationship with Torvalds and alternates between pooh-poohing Torvald’s contributions to open source and dreaming of becoming Linus when he grows up. He even wrote a blog posting placing himself in the pantheon of bestest programmers in the history of the world forever along with Torvalds and Stallman. ESR believes any attention from Linus is good attention, so no qualms about linking Linus and sexual misbehavior. Eric also sees himself as a programming/math genius equivalent to Dave Mills, who wrote the Network Time Protocol (Eric calls him an “eccentric genius”), and ESR is now busy forking the project because the “cool kids” only like new stuff and besides solving the complexities of time on the internet just involves a bit of math and a few tricky algorithms that he hasn’t quite figured out yet. One person on Twitter has already offered a $10.00 bounty for any security flaws Eric introduces in the protocol—presumably because there will be so many that he can’t afford to pay too much per incident.
On a side note my husband (who is in the open source community and not a member of the he-man women haters club) wants to know where all these “honey pots” are. He never sees them at his conferences. He is sad now, because he suspects that means he is not a “thought leader.” 🙁

Felix Ray
5 years ago

I’m very saddened. Eric Raymond has always been one of these libertarian types who likes to pose for gun porn, but he’s a very good writer of tech philosophy, not only of the Cathedral and the Bazaar, but also of “The Joy of Unix programming.

>>Linus Torvalds is notorious for being the poster boy of the narcissistic tech asshole.

These comments are just lousy with vague, meaningless crap like this, about everybody involved. Linus was a decent guy 10 years ago, when his memoir was called “Just for fun”, and his wife was a national Karate champion. Maybe Android went to his head, but I also believe that there’s a bunch of shitty fanboy tech bloggers shitposting so that other shitty fanboys will click on their shitty posts. It’s the same kind of market incentives that practically guarantees that, right now, as you’re reading this, somebody is uploading a video trashing Anita Sarkeesian.

Nop
Nop
5 years ago

Okay, bets on whether the following comment makes it through moderation on ESR’s blog?

Nop on 2015-11-06 at 00:29:21 said:
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@ESR: “What this is about is the SJWs’ attempt to fundamentally transform the hacker culture and STEM in general from an (imperfect, but honestly trying) meritocracy into a perfect hell-pit of identity-group politics, grievance-mongering, and rage-mobbing. Anything I can do to prevent that, I must.”

Including inventing shadowy conspiracies, apparently. I would’ve thought that “a natural at Game” like yourself would be immune to this kind of attack, due to your amazing self-proclaimed ability to convince women that they want to have sex with you. /s
It’s interesting that you attempt to pass this claim off as concern for Linus Torvalds, considering that for all his assholeishness, I’ve never heard of him being creepy to women, whereas I’ve heard it many times about you over the years.
The one upside to this revelation of yours that it might make you less likely to creepily hit on married women at tech conferences in future.

decourse
decourse
5 years ago

It’s a shame that ESR is so easy to troll, but I guess if it keeps creepy types away from women at tech conferences, this can only be a good thing.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Bina — I’ve seriously considered buying Darwin crocs cuz I’m sure as shit not getting him a lady tortoise! Male tortoises can be insistent, to the point that housing any combo besides all females is risking injury and infection when they start fighting over mating. These guys seriously remind me of tortoises, which is saying something since the turtle family harks back to the dinosaurs and while they’ve changed more than crocodiles, they haven’t changed all that much, and they literally have a reptile brain. We’ve spend millions of years building off that reptile brain to arrive at the higher order functions like inhibitions and self control, the MRA red pill crowd would rather claim they can’t be expected to behave more like humans than reptiles, and then say feminists are the ones who hate men!

Re: Linus Torvalds — I’d always thought he was more social inept nerd who let fame go to his head a bit than asshole, but I might be wrong there. Probably am, but I’d like more than this never-was saying he’s been accused of all sorts of stuff before I consider whether the lady doth protest too much.

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
5 years ago

I’m just going to leave this here.comment image

schadrach
5 years ago

So, just to make sure I’m not missing anything, he’s giving men in tech the same advice that male teachers are given, for the same reasons?

Yeah, it must suck if you are a woman who would never do such a thing, but if one single bad actor can effectively ruin your life and career, why *wouldn’t* you behave in a fashion so as to prevent being in a situation where it could even come up?

Jo
Jo
5 years ago

My earlier comment was so typo-ridden that I feel the need to clarify that I agree with those upthread saying that linking Linus with sexual harassment is playing right into ESR’s hands, unless there’s some actual evidence or accusations.

Linus does practice ‘management by insult’ and has said some tone deaf stuff, but that’s a long way from being a harasser. He’s also a genuine tech hero for many and ESR would like nothing more than for unfounded rumours to spring up around Linus, encouraging the fans of his technical achievements to be sympathetic to the ‘feminists are out to smear allthemen’ claim.

Mocking ESR is a fun and easy game for the whole family; let’s play that!

Newt
Newt
5 years ago

Okay, bets on whether the following comment makes it through moderation on ESR’s blog?

I’m honestly surprised that he bothers with moderation, given his commitment to Freeze Peach. Back in 2009, he called someone a censor for asking SourceForge to pull hate speech (for very loose interpretations of “speech”) — and then let the original hatemonger dribble his violent and creepy fantasies all over the comments.

http://www.donotlink.com/h9rf