Roosh V denounced as degenerate “muzzie” by white supremacists he’s trying to woo

@Alan – I’m baffled as to how you come to the conclusion that this monumental failure was due mostly to the perpetrators being Muslims; the article you cited, as well as my own cursory Googling, talk time and again about the “contempt” that local officers showed toward the victims; while a few people discuss “fears” of being considered racist and there are claims that superiors said not to focus on the race, what evidence do you have that people were actually accused and fired?

It’d be as accurate to say that these perpetrators weren’t prosecuted because they were men, irrespective of their skin color. Besides, I’m at a loss to understand how describing someone as “Asian” makes them automatically a Muslim (and yes, I know that in the UK “Asian” includes the Middle Eastern and Indian nationalities). Nor do I understand how the criminal actions of five men prove any broader point about a religion that has about a billion adherents.

Monzach:

I’ve been told that I’m “too dark” to be Finnish before. Which is funny since I’m as Finnish as they come, as far down the family tree as I can see.

I knew a brown boy in elementary school who seemed to be ethnically Finnish. This was Espoo in the 1990s. Maybe it was you 🙂

(In retrospect, I’m almost certain he was Roma. But then again, maybe that’s what you meant, too.)

It’s just that we Finns come originally from the Central Russian steppe and my coloration, especially when tanned, shows this.

Not sure if you’re joking, but it’s generally accepted that our linguistic ancestry has little connection to our genetic ancestry. Finns even thought this was an important point 100 years ago when Western anthropologists often assumed that all Uralic-speakers were like, half Asian. We too were totally entitled to the white people’s club!

IIRC, there’s some recent evidence that white (or rather, pale-white) colouring evolved in north-central Europe after agricultural revolution. Less fish in diet, less vitamin D from diet.

occasional reader:

Yeah. And by a look at Lapons and Inuits, it is hard to say they are “white”.

Lapons, you mean Sami people? They mostly look “passably white” due to mixing with agricultural populations in Baltic Sea area. They’re still indigenous, though.

Living in a cold country with snow and ice do not turn your skin to white : the sun reflecting so much and the harsh weather tan it.
And this goes the same in the south of Europe, and in many other places where the weather tends to tan your skin.

That’s not how evolution works. Human skin colour in a given population may change over time due to genetic selection (for example, vitamin D deficiency may favor the reproduction of pale-skinned people who generate said vitamin more efficiently) or random genetic drift.

Roosh V’s dominant personality trait has always been cynicism. More than a decade ago, he began cynically exploiting Third World countries to get easy “bangs” as a relatively rich American. Then he discovered that he could cynically exploit the sexual aspirations of lonely men by selling handbooks on Third World exploitation.

As he continued his study of internet marketing, he noted that other PUAs were having success by expanding from PUA territory into ideologically driven communities on the right. So he studied the audience and figured out what they wanted. He pivoted from being a leftish liberal who had praised universal health care and other forms of socialism to being a right-wing critic of the left. He suddenly discovered that he had a problem with LGBT people, because his new audience had a problem with them. Finally, he threw people of color under the bus, even though he had previously supported many POC PUAs and had banned racists from posting their crap on his sites. There were now just too many white racists who wanted to belong, and not enough POC by comparison.

There is little to no conviction behind any of it. It’s just cynicism. And even many of the racists see right through it.

The only saving grace is that Roosh is kinda dumb. He has a short-term view in his calculations and a shallow understanding of his new ideological environment. Despite honing his skills by writing hundreds of words a day for years, his writing is never good and often embarrassingly bad. He’ll never write Mein Kampf. He has neither the sincere conviction nor the talent to succeed as an ideological leader.

“He was brown, actually. Middle Eastern Jewish.”

Arab. The distinction between “Hebrew” and “Arab” came much later.

“@Ellie – literally every WOC friend I know has multiple horror stories about racist white dudes who want to date/have sex with them. It’s truly bizarre.”

These guys often despise the men from said ethnic groups and flip their shit if the genders were reversed :p

If I had a nickel for every creepywhiteguy who’s tried to pick up a woc by trashing the men from her ethnicity I’d be able to bail out Greece

That was in reference to Jesus. ^^^

Alan Robertshaw, I did some reading, a lot actually, last year about that whole scandal. One of the first, if not the first, person to bring this to the attention of the government officials was a UK government official himself, who was also a Muslim of South Asian descent. Even he said the other British government officials did not want to touch it because of the politically incorrect implications. That being said, when I looked at the numbers, the majority of older men grooming young kids in the UK for sex slavery were not Asian Muslims but Anglos. The Asian Muslims were disproportionately represented for their overall population in the UK, yes, but the majority of men doing this were “white” and non-Muslim.

Also, I read reports that once Muslim moms and dads got wind of this, they became very concerned and cooperated with investigations and there were even awareness campaigns going on at masjids. Of course the family members of these perpetrators would most likely deny and cover up, but the other Muslim families were pissed and concerned and helped raise awareness.

Also, reading the words of some of the moms and dads of the victims, many cases were of naively allowing their daughters to have much older boyfriends and to go out with them unchaperoned. This generally would not happen in an Asian Muslim household even in the UK. British parents can make multi-culturalism work for them by emulating some of the positive aspects of Asian Muslim culture, such as tighter parental controls and a more realistic attitude toward the older boyfriend/younger girlfriend dynamic. Protection of girls is of paramount importance.

Many of the victims were also in “care” and there are many problems within the UK’s care system.

But I keep returning to the fact that it was an Asian Muslim man who first raised the alarm on all this. And his bewilderment at how it was being ignored due to pc concerns.

I doubt it will carry much weight – but I’m absolutely with Alan on this one. This is my perception of what happened as well. It is also the perception of many, many people in the UK, including Left wing people and members of the Pakistani community. This perception is based firmly in reality. That it’s uncomfortable doesn’t make it less true. And many well-meaning people I’m sure made the exact same attacks on people who brought up these issues making it much harder for this issue to be resolved and for GIRLS (not even women) to be rescued from ONGOING rape and abuse, never mind receive justice. This went on for years and years before it was addressed. It shouldn’t have mattered what the race of the perpetrators was, the only thing that should have mattered was that people were being systematically abused. But race became an issue because they were allowed to continue with their multiple daily rapes because people were more concerned about ‘community cohesion’ than about girls and sometimes very young girls being raped.

Here’s another article about police covering up that fact: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11699179/Report-about-Asian-grooming-gangs-was-supressed-to-avoid-inflaming-racial-tension.html

Here’s the public prosecutor, a Pakistani Muslim, talking about the issues; http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/31/muslim-community-street-grooming-nazir-afzal

As for terminology, Pakistani and Muslim is probably a bit redundant since the vast, overwhelming majority of people of Pakistani origin in this country (UK) self-identify as Muslim. But Asian is too broad, since these grooming rapes were, by and large, perpetrated by Pakistani men. Not – by and large – Indian Muslim men or Indian Hindu men or Bangladeshi Muslim men.

Alan, I’m sure this case is as true as you say, but it’s still super gross to respond to the white-supremacist argument that the brown men are going to rape our white women (and therefore we need to lynch/deport/mass incarcerate them) by bringing up a case where brown men actually did rape white women. I mean, what the hell is your point supposed to be? That we should bring back lynching to keep them in their place?

I like you, but your devil’s advocating gets really old.

Virtually is a troll, just ignore them.

“Perhaps this is something that is difficult to grasp if you’re outside the UK?”

– I’ve lived in the UK, have family there, so I get it.

“For me the worst thing was that the girls were indicted as Co conspirators for being complicit in their own rapes.”

– Some of what I’ve read were girls insisting these guys were their “boyfriends”. Running out of care homes to be with them, sneaking out of their parents’ homes to be with them, defying all authority to be with them. How are adult authority figures supposed to handle that when the girls don’t see them as authorities at all?

@ WWTH &Katz

I’m certainly not arguing this justifies Islamophbia. My point is that fear of seeming Islamophbic or racist had caused a big problem here.

And it’s not just a single case. There is an endemic problem. Not with all Pakistani Muslim men or even a large number but a problem nevertheless.

I think the reaction here had demonstrated the problem in a way. This is a pretty friendly place and generally people don’t make excuses for rapists but I honestly think there’s been a tendency to fall into the same traps that let these men get away with their crimes for so long.

This isn’t devil’s advocating, this wad trying, and clearly failing, but highlight a serious problem here. We’re talking about tens of thousands of victims.

The Vatican covered up their priests’ rapes because “Community cohesion.” Penn State covered up Sandusky’s rapes because “Community cohesion (and football).” This is the same old song and dance with a light sprinkling of “POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!” to whip the racists into a frenzy and shift the blame onto “SJWs” and off the cops who couldn’t be arsed to do their jobs. And it’s working. Why is it working?

This is a pretty friendly place and generally people don’t make excuses for rapists but I honestly think there’s been a tendency to fall into the same traps that let these men get away with their crimes for so long.

Yep. Because blaming rapists for their rapes, not unrelated third parties who just happen to share a skin colour or religion with them, is totally making excuses for the rapists. What the hell?