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Roosh V denounced as degenerate “muzzie” by white supremacists he’s trying to woo

Genetically superior Matt Forney and Roosh V at the NPI conference
Matt Forney and Roosh V: Looking for love in all the white places

Pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh continues his attempts to woo the white supremacist crowd.

This past weekend, he attended the annual conference of the white supremacist National Policy Institute with his longtime pal Matt Forney, the odious fat-shaming blogger who is himself a little big-boned, if one’s belly counts as a bone.

Roosh tried to butter up the white power crowd with a bit of flattery:

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/660597239790858241

But his attendance at the conference didn’t go over well with everyone on the racist right. When Forney Tweeted the pic above of him and Roosh at the conference, some suggested that Roosh wasn’t white enough to be a white supremacist.

Torsten Sjöberg ‏@tor_sjoberg 23h23 hours ago @realmattforney @whitereddit >White Rights >Hanging out with Roosh Pick one 1 retweet 6 favorites Reply Retweet 1 Favorite 6 More Wolfgeist ‏@whitewolfgeist 23h23 hours ago @tor_sjoberg @realmattforney @whitereddit Interesting, I could have sworn NPI was for whites. Oh well.

Others were a bit, er, less polite in their rejection of Roosh.

Sallie Parker ‏@ComeRetribution 3h3 hours ago @ScarlettOStone @LadyAodh @FrankJ1232 @rooshv Time to call Roosh out. A non-European, non-Westerner. Has foreign, toxic, wog ideas. View conversation 1 retweet 6 favorites Reply Retweet 1 Favorite 6 More Fashy Frau ‏@3Dw4ifu 3h3 hours ago @ScarlettOStone It's interesting @rooshv thinks he can criticise the alt right after promoting degeneracy for years... and being a shitskin

Oh, but there’s more.

Gatorfella32 ‏@gatorfella @rooshv @ShaoDowMusic this dude is just another self hating Arab who is sexually and racially insecure and jealous of black men w/ hot ww

Torsten seems to have a bit of a hate-boner for Roosh.

https://twitter.com/tor_sjoberg/status/660833207923949568

https://twitter.com/tor_sjoberg/status/661097707109490688

Of course, Torsten is’t the only one suspicious of Roosh. Searching a bit further back on Twitter, we find this fellow, upset that Roosh’s cartoon avatar depicts his skin color as yellow.

Plato Rising @Rusted_Ovum @tor_sjoberg @rooshv @YonaOlson his avatar is even yellow. wtf white people, stop sending traffic his way.

Plato Rising ‏@Rusted_Ovum @LadyAodh @2wo2wenty8ight @BiteLeg @rooshv @Angry_White_Goy He is a Semite in behavior; uses yellow-faced avi, identifies as non-white

Others think he’s a Muslim.

KSWhiteChick @KSWhiteChick @BiteLeg @AngeloJohnGage @Angry_White_Goy @Gigglemittens @LadyAodh @mkapp_ Roosh is not White, he is a Muslim, our enemy!

muzzie

And that he’s infecting white men with his non-white ideas:

Ann Kelly @LadyAodh @BiteLeg @KSWhiteChick @AngeloJohnGage @Angry_White_Goy @Gigglemittens @mkapp_ Yes! He's teaching White men how to think like Mid-Easterners

While “defiling” white women in the process:

https://twitter.com/N1K0LAK1/status/648547359736102912

https://twitter.com/WhiteGenocideTM/status/659231728196853760

https://twitter.com/MaoyuuZeta/status/647765809280847872

I almost feel sorry for Roosh. Who on earth would have thought that members of a hate movement could be so hateful!

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Bina
Bina
4 years ago

Bina, have I told you recently how much you enrich my life?

Heh…no, but feel free anytime!

I’ve noticed the Swedish 4chan/reddit troll person Torsten Sjöberg has been following this thread and even tweeted a screenshot of a SFHC comment. I doubt that’s his real name though. Can’t find anyone under 40 with that name in the country. I would assume from his behavior that this guy is younger, although I suppose some older dudes do still hang out on 4chan.

Well, MENTALLY he may be downright juvenile. But in my own sad experience, I find that immaturity has no age ceiling. These guys be trollin’ even if they live to be 100. (Although, luckily, Darwin usually claims them long before that.)

leupagus
4 years ago

@Alan – I’m baffled as to how you come to the conclusion that this monumental failure was due mostly to the perpetrators being Muslims; the article you cited, as well as my own cursory Googling, talk time and again about the “contempt” that local officers showed toward the victims; while a few people discuss “fears” of being considered racist and there are claims that superiors said not to focus on the race, what evidence do you have that people were actually accused and fired?

It’d be as accurate to say that these perpetrators weren’t prosecuted because they were men, irrespective of their skin color. Besides, I’m at a loss to understand how describing someone as “Asian” makes them automatically a Muslim (and yes, I know that in the UK “Asian” includes the Middle Eastern and Indian nationalities). Nor do I understand how the criminal actions of five men prove any broader point about a religion that has about a billion adherents.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

… Seriously, Alan, you of all people are going to fall for the racist conspiracy theory? I am disappoint. Very disappoint.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

Monzach:

I’ve been told that I’m “too dark” to be Finnish before. Which is funny since I’m as Finnish as they come, as far down the family tree as I can see.

I knew a brown boy in elementary school who seemed to be ethnically Finnish. This was Espoo in the 1990s. Maybe it was you 🙂

(In retrospect, I’m almost certain he was Roma. But then again, maybe that’s what you meant, too.)

It’s just that we Finns come originally from the Central Russian steppe and my coloration, especially when tanned, shows this.

Not sure if you’re joking, but it’s generally accepted that our linguistic ancestry has little connection to our genetic ancestry. Finns even thought this was an important point 100 years ago when Western anthropologists often assumed that all Uralic-speakers were like, half Asian. We too were totally entitled to the white people’s club!

IIRC, there’s some recent evidence that white (or rather, pale-white) colouring evolved in north-central Europe after agricultural revolution. Less fish in diet, less vitamin D from diet.

occasional reader:

Yeah. And by a look at Lapons and Inuits, it is hard to say they are “white”.

Lapons, you mean Sami people? They mostly look “passably white” due to mixing with agricultural populations in Baltic Sea area. They’re still indigenous, though.

Living in a cold country with snow and ice do not turn your skin to white : the sun reflecting so much and the harsh weather tan it.
And this goes the same in the south of Europe, and in many other places where the weather tends to tan your skin.

That’s not how evolution works. Human skin colour in a given population may change over time due to genetic selection (for example, vitamin D deficiency may favor the reproduction of pale-skinned people who generate said vitamin more efficiently) or random genetic drift.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“Proof: All the Islamophobes who wanted Malala to be murdered”

Weren’t they Manospherians though?

Tim G
Tim G
4 years ago

Roosh V’s dominant personality trait has always been cynicism. More than a decade ago, he began cynically exploiting Third World countries to get easy “bangs” as a relatively rich American. Then he discovered that he could cynically exploit the sexual aspirations of lonely men by selling handbooks on Third World exploitation.

As he continued his study of internet marketing, he noted that other PUAs were having success by expanding from PUA territory into ideologically driven communities on the right. So he studied the audience and figured out what they wanted. He pivoted from being a leftish liberal who had praised universal health care and other forms of socialism to being a right-wing critic of the left. He suddenly discovered that he had a problem with LGBT people, because his new audience had a problem with them. Finally, he threw people of color under the bus, even though he had previously supported many POC PUAs and had banned racists from posting their crap on his sites. There were now just too many white racists who wanted to belong, and not enough POC by comparison.

There is little to no conviction behind any of it. It’s just cynicism. And even many of the racists see right through it.

The only saving grace is that Roosh is kinda dumb. He has a short-term view in his calculations and a shallow understanding of his new ideological environment. Despite honing his skills by writing hundreds of words a day for years, his writing is never good and often embarrassingly bad. He’ll never write Mein Kampf. He has neither the sincere conviction nor the talent to succeed as an ideological leader.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

AltoFronto, while I agree with what you said, there’s been a worrying trend in the South Asian, specifically Bangladeshi and Pakistani community that has affected many of my friends and a few family members in the UK. That is they are copying extremist Saudi Wahhabi culture instead of sticking with their own Desi culture versions of Islam. I’ve lost some friends over this. They rejected me outright once they started hearing from Saudi imams, dawning niqab, etc.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“He was brown, actually. Middle Eastern Jewish.”

Arab. The distinction between “Hebrew” and “Arab” came much later.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

I mark whatever box/space denoting that I am white/Caucasian non-Hispanic because I don’t see the purpose in trying conceal that I am, I don’t think anyone should feel that they need to but I can believe that others have had experiences lead them to conclude differently. I’m not going to dictate what others must do/mark on whatever forms still ask about race (Here in the U.S. the last time I came across such a form it was part of the U.S. Census, which is expected, the DMV only requires height, weight, eye/hair color I think but nothing on specific race). There are complex factors in play whenever we’re talking about race, or religion for that matter. I just don’t think that the white male alt right has a leg to stand on when trying to claim they’re being oppressed, they just don’t like that another group has others listening to their complaints instead of the bunch of angry white men.

“…because it’s become so dangerous for women to express strong opinions in public. As a woman I’d be very hesitant to express any negative opinion in a public forum, let alone a negative opinion about a specific man. It seems these women have no qualms about doing so–they’re not worried about consequences, or if they are it doesn’t stop them from putting it out there. Do they think they’re immune because they’re on the ‘right’ side? Do they think men–either their own partners or their colleagues in hate–have their back?”…

This feels like a vague insinuation that women are all about the starting of fights between those big strong men defending their honor, mixed with a dash of ‘women shouldn’t be seen in public or heard anywhere’. I don’t like it. Nothing is going to make me like it. But I’ve seen a few instances (for which I don’t have specific sources to provide so it’s all anecdotal) where the bunch of angry white men protect their white women as long as they act in the way that proper white women act according to said angry white men. Be it online or in person. If there’s even a hint that a particular woman is acting in a way that breaks the group rules, not only does the protection end but if the infraction is significant enough the group itself turns on the individual like piranhas when blood (and the bleeding party) is in their particular stretch of water (and they’re hungry). In-group turmoil can bring horrific criminal acts, which sometimes spill out and affect non-group persons, here in California some examples would be prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and PEN1.

Ellie
Ellie
4 years ago

“@Ellie – literally every WOC friend I know has multiple horror stories about racist white dudes who want to date/have sex with them. It’s truly bizarre.”

These guys often despise the men from said ethnic groups and flip their shit if the genders were reversed :p

If I had a nickel for every creepywhiteguy who’s tried to pick up a woc by trashing the men from her ethnicity I’d be able to bail out Greece

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ SFHC

It’s not a conspiracy theory. There’s a lot of blame shifting now going on obviously but a key factor in not investigating was the community cohesion thing.

Social workers who tried to do something were threatened and in some cases disciplined.

The fact that as soon as people talk about these cases accusations if racism start flying is a huge problem and is the reason people find it safer just to not make a fuss.

No one is suggesting all Muslims are doing this or all Asian people are but there is an endemic problem with gangs of some Pakistani Muslim men perpetrating these acts and until a few brave social workers ignored the abuse and accusations hurled at them and forced the issue the men were getting away with it.

The fact that people here are making the same accusations and the same excuses as highlighted in the report shows why the men will continue to get away with it.

Why should any social worker risk the sack by investigaing or anyone face accusations of racism for trying to raise the issue?

Anyone even vaguely concerned with child protection issues knows what’s going on bit it’s just not worth sticking their neck out.

I know we have to avoid fanning the flames but the girls safety surely has to come first.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

That was in reference to Jesus. ^^^

Alan Robertshaw, I did some reading, a lot actually, last year about that whole scandal. One of the first, if not the first, person to bring this to the attention of the government officials was a UK government official himself, who was also a Muslim of South Asian descent. Even he said the other British government officials did not want to touch it because of the politically incorrect implications. That being said, when I looked at the numbers, the majority of older men grooming young kids in the UK for sex slavery were not Asian Muslims but Anglos. The Asian Muslims were disproportionately represented for their overall population in the UK, yes, but the majority of men doing this were “white” and non-Muslim.

Also, I read reports that once Muslim moms and dads got wind of this, they became very concerned and cooperated with investigations and there were even awareness campaigns going on at masjids. Of course the family members of these perpetrators would most likely deny and cover up, but the other Muslim families were pissed and concerned and helped raise awareness.

Also, reading the words of some of the moms and dads of the victims, many cases were of naively allowing their daughters to have much older boyfriends and to go out with them unchaperoned. This generally would not happen in an Asian Muslim household even in the UK. British parents can make multi-culturalism work for them by emulating some of the positive aspects of Asian Muslim culture, such as tighter parental controls and a more realistic attitude toward the older boyfriend/younger girlfriend dynamic. Protection of girls is of paramount importance.

Many of the victims were also in “care” and there are many problems within the UK’s care system.

But I keep returning to the fact that it was an Asian Muslim man who first raised the alarm on all this. And his bewilderment at how it was being ignored due to pc concerns.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ leupagus

Hi

There’s a lot more to it than you can just get from the article, that was just a pointer.

It’s not just 5 guys either, this was just the initial prosecution. Whether there’ll be any more depends on whether it’s deemed to be in the public interest.

The report goes into more detail about the threats to staff and the disciplinary action.

Perhaps this is something that is difficult to grasp if you’re outside the UK? It does seem almost incomprehensible what happened, almost unbelievable, but it’s something we need to face up to here.

For me the worst thing was that the girls were indicted as Co conspirators for being complicit in their own rapes.

I have friends in the law and social services who’ve been banging their heads against a brick wall trying to get something done about these cases and all they get is abuse for it and threats so it’s something I feel strongly about.

rugbyyogi
4 years ago

I doubt it will carry much weight – but I’m absolutely with Alan on this one. This is my perception of what happened as well. It is also the perception of many, many people in the UK, including Left wing people and members of the Pakistani community. This perception is based firmly in reality. That it’s uncomfortable doesn’t make it less true. And many well-meaning people I’m sure made the exact same attacks on people who brought up these issues making it much harder for this issue to be resolved and for GIRLS (not even women) to be rescued from ONGOING rape and abuse, never mind receive justice. This went on for years and years before it was addressed. It shouldn’t have mattered what the race of the perpetrators was, the only thing that should have mattered was that people were being systematically abused. But race became an issue because they were allowed to continue with their multiple daily rapes because people were more concerned about ‘community cohesion’ than about girls and sometimes very young girls being raped.

Here’s another article about police covering up that fact: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11699179/Report-about-Asian-grooming-gangs-was-supressed-to-avoid-inflaming-racial-tension.html

Here’s the public prosecutor, a Pakistani Muslim, talking about the issues; http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/31/muslim-community-street-grooming-nazir-afzal

As for terminology, Pakistani and Muslim is probably a bit redundant since the vast, overwhelming majority of people of Pakistani origin in this country (UK) self-identify as Muslim. But Asian is too broad, since these grooming rapes were, by and large, perpetrated by Pakistani men. Not – by and large – Indian Muslim men or Indian Hindu men or Bangladeshi Muslim men.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Alan,
You’re the one who brought up this case in response to us side eyeing a blatantly bigoted comment. That’s why you’re getting pushback. It’s implying that one case should justify Islamophobia all over Europe and North America.

katz
katz
4 years ago

Alan, I’m sure this case is as true as you say, but it’s still super gross to respond to the white-supremacist argument that the brown men are going to rape our white women (and therefore we need to lynch/deport/mass incarcerate them) by bringing up a case where brown men actually did rape white women. I mean, what the hell is your point supposed to be? That we should bring back lynching to keep them in their place?

I like you, but your devil’s advocating gets really old.

rugbyyogi
4 years ago

To Virtually out of touch – are you SERIOUSLY VICTIM BLAMING those girls’ parents and the parents themselves?? Look I’m not saying that people in the Muslim community weren’t concerned, but there were also many concerned parents of these girls who were desperate to save their daughters and couldn’t. Some who went to the police and were arrested themselves. Saying that these rapes could have been prevented if only white families in Britain had the ‘family values’ of Muslims is classic victim blaming and racist to boot and classic fundie (not Muslim necessarily, but fundamentalist) thinking of locking up women as property to ‘protect them’.

And yes, many of these girls were particularly vulnerable because they didn’t have the best of familiy support, but that was not true of all the victims. And surely, surely, if they were so vulnerable the state should have bent over backward to protect them rather than blame them for their own rapes (which is what did happen and what is happening here again!).

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Virtually is a troll, just ignore them.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Virtually

It wasn’t so much that Lord Ahmed first raised the alarm, other people had done that but suffered the consequences. It was the fact that as a Muslim it was harder to accuse him of acting out of Islamophbia.

I must disagree with you though about blaming the girls or their parents or suggesting there’s something admirable about keeping girls locked away like it’s the 1950s. If someone rapes you at gunpoint or pours petrol over you and threatens to light it if you don’t submit then the blame is all theres.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“Perhaps this is something that is difficult to grasp if you’re outside the UK?”

– I’ve lived in the UK, have family there, so I get it.

“For me the worst thing was that the girls were indicted as Co conspirators for being complicit in their own rapes.”

– Some of what I’ve read were girls insisting these guys were their “boyfriends”. Running out of care homes to be with them, sneaking out of their parents’ homes to be with them, defying all authority to be with them. How are adult authority figures supposed to handle that when the girls don’t see them as authorities at all?

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“I must disagree with you though about blaming the girls or their parents”

Not blaming. Trying to find solutions.

” or suggesting there’s something admirable about keeping girls locked away like it’s the 1950s”

Girls were not locked away in the stereotype of the ’50s you envision. But there was a lot more parental control, respect for that, and chaperoned dating.

” If someone rapes you at gunpoint or pours petrol over you and threatens to light it if you don’t submit then the blame is all theres”

Who’s “submitting” that?!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ WWTH &Katz

I’m certainly not arguing this justifies Islamophbia. My point is that fear of seeming Islamophbic or racist had caused a big problem here.

And it’s not just a single case. There is an endemic problem. Not with all Pakistani Muslim men or even a large number but a problem nevertheless.

I think the reaction here had demonstrated the problem in a way. This is a pretty friendly place and generally people don’t make excuses for rapists but I honestly think there’s been a tendency to fall into the same traps that let these men get away with their crimes for so long.

This isn’t devil’s advocating, this wad trying, and clearly failing, but highlight a serious problem here. We’re talking about tens of thousands of victims.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“Perhaps this is something that is difficult to grasp if you’re outside the UK?”

No doubt some of these men felt they could act with impunity precisely because of the careful walking-on-glass they knew UK officials would engage in.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

The Vatican covered up their priests’ rapes because “Community cohesion.” Penn State covered up Sandusky’s rapes because “Community cohesion (and football).” This is the same old song and dance with a light sprinkling of “POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!” to whip the racists into a frenzy and shift the blame onto “SJWs” and off the cops who couldn’t be arsed to do their jobs. And it’s working. Why is it working?

This is a pretty friendly place and generally people don’t make excuses for rapists but I honestly think there’s been a tendency to fall into the same traps that let these men get away with their crimes for so long.

Yep. Because blaming rapists for their rapes, not unrelated third parties who just happen to share a skin colour or religion with them, is totally making excuses for the rapists. What the hell?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ SFHC

I’m not making the “PC gone mad” argument, I don’t subscribe to it for one thing.

I’ve just made reference to one very specific issue. That is that fear of being branded racist and/or Islamophbic has allowed some men to rape with impunity. I’ve not blamed anyone else for the rapes except the men who carried them out.

The fact is they’ll continue to get away with it until one day in the future we’ll look back on this like the Jimmy Savile thing and ask “but why were people so unwilling to speak out?”

katz
katz
4 years ago

OK look, I don’t think anyone here is all “Yes, those Pakistani guys should absolutely get away with raping thousands of girls.” Of course that’s a terrible crime and of course it should be prosecuted severely, and if you’d just brought it up in another context, no one would have had a problem with it.

But when you bring it up specifically in the context of the “brown men rape white women” narrative, you’re directly supporting that narrative, whether you mean to or not. No matter how heinous this case was or how badly it was mishandled, you must know that it doesn’t in itself indicate a trend. Yet you’re bringing it up in a context where it implies that this trend really exists. And you have a pattern of doing this.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Katz

My point is that it is part of a trend, that’s pretty clear now.

But I don’t want to cause any trouble, especially if you think i have form so I’ll leave this issue. There’s nothing practical to be done anyway.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“There’s nothing practical to be done anyway.”

Hold on, why not? The practical thing is to investigate and make arrests. Why can’t that be done? With all the hundreds or more articles that have been written about it, the entire UK if not the whole world, knows this is happening and that its an issue. So now there’s no excuse. Why do you say “nothing practical to be done” now?

pkayden
4 years ago

Roosh may be going by the fact that the U.S. Census currently counts Iranians as Whites.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/middle-eastern-americans-push-census-change.html

However, White Supremacists obviously have their own strong opinion on who is White. Tough luck for Roosh. Perhaps he’ll have to find a more open White Supremacist group to run around with. Or stop trying to hang out with White Supremacists. Shrugs.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

I do not feel that Alan has done anything wrong on this topic – the facts speak for themselves. Of course they can be appropriated by racists or Islamophobes, but I would not try to ignore the implications of what happened for fear of how it could be interpreted.

I am from the UK and these cases were terrible, HUNDREDS, quite possibly thousands of girls have been raped, and about 50 boys in one case. Some of them were as young as 11. Many of them were repeatedly victimised, by multiple perpetrators. It has been something that has truly horrified many of us in the UK.

It is difficult not to profile. In the Bristol case all the perpetrators were Somali men. In Telford, Rochdale, Derby,Oxford, Peterborough, Banbury, and Aylesbury 90% were Muslim men of Pakistani origin.

There were many debates, articles and documentaries about what had gone on. It is impossible to get away from the implications of who the perpetrators chose to abuse – in some cases 100% white English girls, at least 75% in other cases.

sbel
sbel
4 years ago

@occasional reader

“My sentence should has (had ?) been”

I didn’t see anyone answer you, so I will. The correct word there is “have.” “Should have” can also be shortened to “should’ve” and is sometimes incorrectly written as “should of.”

katz
katz
4 years ago

Am I being unreasonable here? Because if so, do tell me.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Katz

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. I do think people have misunderstood my points though. But like I say, there seems to be a UK/everywhere else divide developing (it’s perhaps hard to grasp what’s been going on unless you’ve been here) so let’s just drop it.

dhag85
4 years ago

@SFHC

I might some day make a long comment about racism and neo-Nazism in Sweden, as well as relevant facts regarding crime and immigration, if anyone would be interested.

witchcat
witchcat
4 years ago

@leupagus

while a few people discuss “fears” of being considered racist and there are claims that superiors said not to focus on the race, what evidence do you have that people were actually accused and fired?

One council-appointed researcher for the Home Office who raised concerns in her draft report was suspended by the very same council for “gross misconduct” When they were forced to re-instate her, they ensured that she spent the remainder of her time working on policies and procedures, in a room on her own, forbidden access to the victims involved and not allowed to attend meetings or have access to further data. She was told “you must never refer to Asian men” and was booked on a two-day ethnicity and diversity course to raise her awareness of ethnic issues! Her report never saw the light of day and her data was stolen from her office (literally – the office was ransacked).

Her draft report findings were later independently corroborated by the formal inquiry headed by Professor Alexis Jay that was published in August 2014.

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham.pdf

It’d be as accurate to say that these perpetrators weren’t prosecuted because they were men, irrespective of their skin color.

Um… no.

When Jay wrote the 2014 Rotherham report, the chapter that gave her the most sleepless nights was about the ethnicity of the perpetrators. Almost all of them were from Rotherham’s Pakistani-heritage community which she described as coming from possibly three villages in Kashmir where previous generations had a different view about women’s place in their culture and their society that “certainly wouldn’t accord with any sense that we have”.
Yet Jay never accused Rotherham council, and police, of failing to tackle sexual exploitation because of misplaced political correctness. Instead, she believed the Labour-dominated council turned a blind eye to the problem because of “their desire to accommodate a community that would be expected to vote Labour, to not rock the boat, to keep a lid on it, to hope it would go away”. So this was probably a political cover-up rather than one motivated by race or religion. It just so happened that the community being protected because of “politics” was both Pakistani and Muslim.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Katz,
No. I’m with you. Particularly when this case was brought up in response to a troll who was saying Muslims are fundamentally rapists. I mean, how many white English girls have been raped by white Christian or culturally Christian men in the recent past? Also thousands. Maybe even millions depending on the time frame we’re talking about.

My good friend in college is from Pakistan and spent a lot of time in London because her dad frequently traveled there on business. She hated it there. Mostly because people there are very racist against Pakistanis. The college we went to was basically in the middle of a cornfield in Illinois. The American rural Midwest is not exactly renowned for its tolerance, but it was London that stood out to her as being the most racist. This thread is definitely reminding me why.

Also, I don’t really buy the whole thing about not being to understand if you’re not in the UK. I live in an area that has seen a large influx of Somali Muslims in recent decades. The Twin Cities has some of the best quality of life in the country, no matter who has immigrated here. But you wouldn’t know that from the racist, Islamophobic, xenophobic pearl clutching I’m constantly hearing about Somalis. Including from people who are usually progressive.

Verily Baroque
Verily Baroque
4 years ago

@Bryce

It’s a if they pride themselves on ignorance. Together, Europeans, Iranians (and Armenians) comprise the Indo-European language family, having descended from a relatively recent common ancestral group.

A gentle reminder that there are also several non-Indo-European languages in Europe, among them Hungarian, Northern Sami, Southern Sami, Ume Sami, Skolt Sami, Inari Sami (and the rest of the Sami languages spoken in Europe), Finnish and Estonian.

@dhag85

I might some day make a long comment about racism and neo-Nazism in Sweden, as well as relevant facts regarding crime and immigration, if anyone would be interested.

That would be really interesting to read.

katz
katz
4 years ago

A gentle reminder that there are also several non-Indo-European languages in Europe, among them Hungarian, Northern Sami, Southern Sami, Ume Sami, Skolt Sami, Inari Sami (and the rest of the Sami languages spoken in Europe), Finnish and Estonian.

And Basque, the language of violent librarian shepherds.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@Katz & WWTH

I’m with you guys. This thread is making me nauseous.

Is it that we’re too far away to understand… Or that we’re far enough away to look at it with unbiased eyes? (I don’t mean that in an I’m-better-than-you kind of way, I’ve just seen a few situations like this before and know how they work.)

brooked
brooked
4 years ago

@Alan

This is a pretty friendly place and generally people don’t make excuses for rapists but I honestly think there’s been a tendency to fall into the same traps that let these men get away with their crimes for so long.

I disagree. In US and, I presume, in Britain people in authority are always making excuses for adult men having sex with under-aged teen girls. The majority of these girls were from troubled homes, had a history of truancy, suffered emotional damage from abuse and/or abused alcohol/drugs. They’re more likely to be arrested rather than helped or believed.
Any hand-wringing by social services and law enforcement is horseshit, they typically have no sympathy for these girls and see them as sexually promiscuous juvenile delinquents.

In fact the Pakistani/ white slavery angle probably gave this story some juice, I doubt I’d have heard about British law enforcement turning a blind eye to white older men grooming and sexually exploiting poor, “at risk” teens. If home care is the British equivalent to foster care than I definitely call bullshit on the idea that the only thing that kept these cases from being investigated was a fear of being called racist. In the US, social services and law enforcement treats teens in the social system a lot differently than prepubescent children. When it comes to poor underclass, after puberty you cease being a victim and become an unsavory social problem. Hell, black teens are often seen as unsympathetic after being murdered.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
4 years ago

I don’t even understand what is happening, I skimmed read most of this, admittedly. I think it’s interesting that this seems to be split between genders a bit, although, like I said, I skimmed read. (And also I don’t know everyone’s pronouns here TBH.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
4 years ago

First, Alan, the problem here is context — wrong time and place for an otherwise interestingly horrible story.

Second, I’m far too exhausted for the actual topic, I’d continue my lurking but nobody answered three.

Third —

entropy jukebox | November 2, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Slightly off topic, but have any of you heard of this guy? Evidently Dark Triad is an actual personality theory, I just hadn’t heard of it before. Is this new?
http://darktriadman.com/about-the-dark-triad-man-and-ruthless-mentoring-for-a-dark-world-2/

I skimmed the link, because really now, how many ways can he sell himself? But the triad theory of psychopathy isn’t new, it’s been around since at least the late 80s early 90s, quite possibly longer but I’m not sure. What’s hilarious is his little theory that this is some fear of powerful men and psychopaths don’t exist? The actual triad is fire setting, bed wetting, and torturing animals — three traits often correlated with criminal behavior. So while I hadn’t heard of him, I find it epically hilarious that he’s claiming this is some magic key to unlocking the world when it’s really a trio of personality traits fucking no one would want to be around.

Four — has there been an open thread I missed? Cuz I have an utterly off topic question that I suspect will get all debate like and sidetrack the thread.

Drezden
Drezden
4 years ago

@argenti I haven’t seen an open thread lately either and I’ve been watching. I have things to share that don’t really go well with a Roosh thread

witchcat
witchcat
4 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger
“Mostly because people there are very racist against Pakistanis”

What? All 8.5 million Londoners? I call “straw man”! There are shitty people everywhere. Generally, they are in the minority. London, like any major city, is no exception to this. Heck, some Londoners don’t even like other English people. Rather like the way I imagine New Yorkers can be, yes?

“I don’t really buy the whole thing about not being [able] to understand if you’re not in the UK.”
Then perhaps it would be better to say nothing at this point until you have actually spent some time there yourself.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

@Verily @katz – Aren’t the Gaelic languages also related to Basque?

Neat (well, to me) aside: My husband and I had 23andMe sequence our DNA a couple of years ago for Valentine’s Day and his maternal Haplogroup is U2e1. From the site:

Haplogroup U2 arose in the Near East about 45,000 years ago. Today, most of its branches(U2a, U2b, U2c) are concentrated in southern and southwestern Asia, with the exception of one – the U2e haplogroup expanded into Europe about 35,000 years ago with some of the first humans to inhabit the continent.
Example populations: Gujarati, Sindhi, Kalash
I wonder if those fuckleheads would consider him white.
I mean, he’s almost painfully melanin challenged (excepting freckles) and has red in both his hair and beard, but his great-to-the-Nth Grandma probably wasn’t part of the same settlement wave as their great-to-the-Nth Grandma…seems a bit muddy…

(My maternal Haplogroup is boring old H.)

katz
katz
4 years ago

What? All 8.5 million Londoners? I call “straw man”! There are shitty people everywhere.

Did you seriously just “Not ALL Londoners!” us?

And is it now acceptable to talk about brown people being rapists but not about white people being racist?

Ace
Ace
4 years ago

@wwth Hey, another Minnesotian! I lived in St Cloud for a few years and heard constantly about the things that Somalis were apparently ‘destroying’ or ‘ruining.’ Other peoples word, btw. I, unfortunately, was female in a male workspace and was not comfortable speaking up, but you should have heard the sh*t lobbed at Somalis who just wanted to attend St Cloud university- some of whom were learning English, but still required translations to understand everything. They are apparently going to ‘force the schools to have all textbooks in Somalian’ (is that a language, or do they speak something else? Not a linguistic expert here, sorry!) and ‘the White kids were being unfairly displaced’ somehow…

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Witchcat,
I’m not in the habit of telling POC that what the perceive as racism isn’t racism. She’s an intelligent and level headed person who has travelled the world and if she says she experienced racism in London, I believe her. She did not, say every single white person in London is racist, so you can quit with that #notallwhitepeople bullshit.

I don’t need to have spent time in London to recognize racism, Islamophobia, xenophobia because it happens everywhere.

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“Roosh may be going by the fact that the U.S. Census currently counts Iranians as Whites.”

What did they count as before?

” It is impossible to get away from the implications of who the perpetrators chose to abuse – in some cases 100% white English girls, at least 75% in other cases.”

South Asia’s number one beauty cream is Fair and Lovely Skin Lightener. The matrimonials in the papers often seek “fair bride”.

These peeps did a parody of it.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Ace,
I did some election work in St Cloud last year and we all heard some pretty appalling shit. The same goes for Albert Lea and Fairbault. Anti-Somali bigotry peaked here in Mpls 10-15 years ago, now that they’re starting to move out to greater Minnesota, they’re the ones freaking the fuck out.