Roosh V denounced as degenerate “muzzie” by white supremacists he’s trying to woo

@Ellie – literally every WOC friend I know has multiple horror stories about racist white dudes who want to date/have sex with them. It’s truly bizarre.

Slightly off topic, but have any of you heard of this guy? Evidently Dark Triad is an actual personality theory, I just hadn’t heard of it before. Is this new?
http://darktriadman.com/about-the-dark-triad-man-and-ruthless-mentoring-for-a-dark-world-2/

If Roosh became convinced that the best way to get the right kind of attention was to put on a clown nose and stand on his head at the top of the Statue of Liberty, I believe he’d do it.

Thankfully, he doesn’t seem to think that “whipping it out” would give him the right kind of attention. Hmm. I wonder why?

Does this demonstrate a certain self-awareness?

RooshV: “Here are my new best friends. Aren’t they cool?”
White supremracists: “Fuck off [insert racial slur]!”
RooshV: “Hahaha! I love you too, buddies!”

Dickson suggested that white people “could give” black people Massachusetts and New York — “blacks could be given Manhattan” — while whites would take states like Iowa. He said the white ethno-state of his imagination would be open to all whites, liberals and conservatives alike.

I should communicate in nothing but Mr. Show sketches.

Hate to sound ironically like Roosh about this… but what exactly did he expect to happen?

“You can’t call us Islamophobic! See, one of our friends is an Ay-rab. He’s one of the Good Ones.”

I’m surprised how many of the tweets David quotes are from women–not because I don’t believe women are racists, but because it’s become so dangerous for women to express strong opinions in public. As a woman I’d be very hesitant to express any negative opinion in a public forum, let alone a negative opinion about a specific man. It seems these women have no qualms about doing so–they’re not worried about consequences, or if they are it doesn’t stop them from putting it out there. Do they think they’re immune because they’re on the ‘right’ side? Do they think men–either their own partners or their colleagues in hate–have their back? Are left-leaning women more constrained in expressing our opinions in social media than right-leaning women? Is that because we really do get more threats, because we don’t feel like anyone will protect or support us if we’re threatened (irrespective of whether we, or the right-wing women, actually will or do get support), or something else?

Calling him a degenerate and a POS is far too generous, I just love how his own words comes back to bite him and kind of ruined his chances of success among them.

https://twitter.com/tor_sjoberg/status/660833207923949568/photo/1

LOL, anyone else noticed that Matt Forney is trying to look like Aurini?

Yep, a fat shamer with brotits, take note of the hovering hand.

Guest

What you wrote about yourself is the kind of things that the “manosphere” uses to promote their prejudices against women.

This is so in spite of +99% of that same “manosphere” thinking the same and keeping their “activism” to the internets (because they are hypocrites).

It is also a sure way to attract trolling and online harassement by no-lifes, in case you wish to avoid that.

Guest- you ask why women continue making their voices heard in public, despite threats.
I cycle. Most cyclists in Britain feel that provision for cycling is dreadful, that many people drive badly around them, that the law doesn’t take cyclist deaths and injuries seriously and the whole enterprise of cycling is far more dangerous than it should be. In fact, the perceived danger is the main reason given for not cycling. Yet many people still cycle, because it meets a need for transport and the joys outweigh the risks for some of it. Doesn’t mean we should stop campaigning for safer roads or try and make cycling more inclusive of people who are currently too scared too.
You suggested that maybe right wing women feel more supported or protected in voicing their opinions? I haven’t seen any evidence or even anecdotes too suggest right wing women are more vocally opiniated. I have seen plenty of sociological research that suggests right wing people are more fearful of other people in general.

Guest,
Sorry, about this specifically. I’m pretty sure Roosh and his followers won’t go after women attacking them from the far right and yes, those women probably know that. Roosh is trying to suck up to the big bullies by picking on the perceived weaker kids, he’s unlikely to defend himself against the bigger bullies. And I think those women probably desire self-expression, like anyone, and no that the far right won’t pick on them if they toe the party line and everyone else thinks they are too extreme, nasty and irrational to bother arguing with. Ie. There’s no point wrestling a pig, you both end up covered in mud and the pig likes it.

“And this is why I don’t identify as white for (I always pick “other” when asked about race). I don’t want to be associated with a race that’s full of ignorance, hatred, and stupidity.”

That’s a strange commentary. Except if you don’t want to be associated with the *human* race.

People from everywhere on the world have proven me that white aren’t any less or more hateful, ignorant, or stupid, than anything else. The most blatantly stupid racism I have seen come from actually black-skinned people : they came from island like Martinique and spat upon african, because “thoses niggers aren’t able to rein their instincts”.

Of course, hearing extreme right wing japanese people talk about corean and chinese is *also* a good way to lose faith in humanity and remember that stupidity is the best shared trait among humans.

That little Swedish 4chan troll was tweeting at Juicebro as well.

Hello.

@Monzach
Yeah. And by a look at Lapons and Inuits, it is hard to say they are “white”. Living in a cold country with snow and ice do not turn your skin to white : the sun reflecting so much and the harsh weather tan it.
And this goes the same in the south of Europe, and in many other places where the weather tends to tan your skin.

Plus, those so-called white are mainly pink. The seldom case you really have a “white” skin is when you have albinism.
And if there are so many Christians, what the problem with Mid-East ? Do they suppose Bethlehem is in a conurb of New York or Chicago ? I wonder sometimes how it would have turned if Christ had been black or brown.

Alas, i am not smart, thus i still do not understand why they suppose “white” people should be considered as superior. I do not see any concrete argument pointing to that (mind you, i actually do not see any argument making a skin color superior to another).

Have a nice day.

I love it when right wing extremists bitch at other right wing extremists for not being hateful enough. Pound per pound it’s one of your best entertainment values.

Seriously, an Iranian who hates women and is even an alleged rapist tries to make friends with white nationalists? Ffs he is lucky they were the intellectual, subtle racists and not skinheads who would have lynched him. The number one driving force behind the hatred of muslims and people of Middle-Eastern descent in general, is their violent misogyny, and this guy fits the bill perfectly.

A bunch of Little Hipster Hitlers.

Hipstlers!

I wonder sometimes how it would have turned if Christ had been black or brown.

He most likely was brown, visibly so. But medieval artwork of Anglo-Jesus persists in pop culture enough that white supremacists don’t generally think about that too much.

This is an artist rendering of what Jesus might have looked like, based on what demographic and genetic information we have about the Jewish people in Palestine in the first century:

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/files/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-19-at-4.05.19-PM.png

I wonder sometimes how it would have turned if Christ had been black or brown.

He was brown, actually. Middle Eastern Jewish. Racist Christians just pretend he wasn’t and yell at anyone who points it out to them. =P

The number one driving force behind the hatred of muslims and people of Middle-Eastern descent in general, is their violent misogyny, and this guy fits the bill perfectly.

No. The real driving forces are that Islamophobes still blame the entire religion for 9/11 and simple racism. None of them could give less of a shit about misogyny. Proof: All the Islamophobes who wanted Malala to be murdered.

Ninja’d on non-white Jesus!

The real driving forces are that Islamophobes still blame the entire religion for 9/11 and simple racism. None of them could give less of a shit about misogyny. Proof: All the Islamophobes who wanted Malala to be murdered

I get that the less sophisticated people hate Islam because “those damn terr’rist kill em all” but the ideological basis of the movements against Islam – well, the European ones anyway – are based on the fact that Islam basically promotes rape. If you visit an anti-muslim site they will always be happy to provide statistics that in countries where there’s a large muslim minority, a good percentage of rapes are committed by muslims. Eg.: the usual stuff about Sweden being the rape capital of Europe, even though it’s the most feminist country ever.

@occasional reader:
I have a theory about why they consider white people to be superior. I wrote an essay about it here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RkZPOTJfBTzMBjxaaOHgs9U7aB2LlZZEf5LGJhE-dpA/edit?usp=docslist_api

“Roosh is a piece of shit…”

Yes! Finally! Glad to hear you agr-

“…because he’s BROWN!!!”

Wait, what..? Dammit, wrong conversation. WRONG CONVERSATION.

@Breid

Except: 1. While you could say that fundamentalist Islam is misogynistic, so’s fundamentalist Christianity. The operative word there is “Fundamentalist,” not “Islam.” Don’t blame the vast majority for the actions of a tiny minority; 2. Their “Statistics” are asspulls and entirely untrue anyway; 3. They still don’t care about misogyny, they care about “Them brown folks takin’ our white women.” Proof: Read the tweets David posted right here.

… And why the hell are you reading Islamophobic hate sites? o_O

@Reid – I’m European. I’ve seen a lot of groups like Britain First and the EDL come up with “statistics” and “quotes” and other such “proof” that all Muslims are rapists, child molesters and criminals… and it’s still the same fucking racist shit.

Islam is not the fucking issue. Scratch the surface of anyone who tries to paint themselves as liberal, progressive concern trolls, and it’s obvious how disingenuous they really are – Islamophobes just can’t hide their hatred for brown people.

Nobody cares about rape until they can scapegoat Muslims and use it to sharpen their pitchforks. The idea of defending white women against rapacious brown savages is not only fucking RACIST AS FUCK, it’s chauvinistic and anti-feminist.

If Islam promotes rape, then so does Christianity and every other Abrahamic religion, but nobody talks about Biblical rape apologia the way they talk about “Islam” as a monolith (what specific creeds, verses, teachings promote rape?).

Rape culture is pretty much everywhere, but nobody kicks the shit out of white Frat Boys in the street for belonging to a culture that “promotes rape”. Yet there have been several attacks on Muslims, in my city alone.

Islamophobia needs to end. There’s a huge difference between condemning the existence of extremists who are defiling Allah’s name to justify their shitty actions, and the indiscriminate hatred of a vast swathe of people of varied regions, cultures, practises etc.

When you treat an entire group of people as a de facto source of various social ills, you need to check yourself.

@Breid

That is so much bs but I don’t have time to explain why since I’m on the subway. Should I tell you to fuck off now or wait until tonight when I can be more specific as to why you should fuck off?

What is with neo-Nazis and Sweden, anyway? I can’t even watch Swedish gamers on YouTube without every comment being “KILL THE MUSLIMS HEIL HITLER.” … Okay, YouTube’s a Nazi hotbed anyway, but I mean… Why Sweden? There’s no rape epidemic. It doesn’t have more Muslim citizens or more immigrants than its neighbours. It wasn’t part of the Axis during WWII. Did they just pull Sweden out of a hat?

*What is it with, even.

Re; Islam and rape

Obviously Islam isn’t a monolithic institution and in any event, something that consists of individual people can’t be generalised about but, with that caveat, there is at least one problematic area that we’ve experienced over here in the UK.

It was well known within social services and police circles that groups of Pakistani Muslim men were specifically targeting white girls for rape on an organised basis.

However when anyone tried to do anything about this they were threatened with disciplinary action on the basis that taking action would be bad for “social cohesion”.

Social workers who ignored the threats and cooperated with the police were subsequently disciplined. Some were fired for ‘racism’. Some people who raised the issue publicly were prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred (they were acquitted)

Eventually the public pressure became such that some of the men were prosecuted (firstly in Rotherham, but there may be further prosecutions).

The thing is, the Director of Public Prosecutions only allowed the prosecutions to go ahead if the girls were named on the indictment as co-conspritators for encouraging their own rapes by their behaviour in order to allay complaints by ‘community leaders’ (The defence being that white girls are promiscuous and led devout religious men astray).

A review is underway and the preliminary report indicates that on a conservative estimate in Rotherham alone at least 1400 girls were raped.

It’s well known though that this issue isn’t just confined to the one town.

It doesn’t seem lessons have been learned though. The only concern the local authority condemned in the report has some out with is criticism of the term “Pakistani Muslims” and asking that “Asian’ be used instead (much to the annoyance to many non Pakistani Muslim Asian people.)

So whilst it’s right we don’t generalise about Muslim people I think we need to be very wary of sacrificing rape victims so as not to offend sensibilities; and we certainly shouldn’t buy into religious crap about women being evil temptresses and rapists being their innocent victims.

In Quebec we’ve had the joy of the last two or three elections having as one major issue that of women wearing the niqab. The anti-niqab groups are all talking about how this is an assault on women’s rights to dress as they please, therefore we must ban the niqab (say what?). Also it’s a barbaric religious practice of Islam which must be feared, and it’s not about religious freedom because the niqab isn’t in the Koran.

The supposed logic totally escapes me, so I conclude that it’s pure islamophobia wrapped up in paternalism with a thin veneer of fake feminism.

@ Alan – please don’t add any ammunition to Breids apologism.

In that case, there were failings on the part of whoever thought abetting child rapists would ever be good for “cohesion”. But it’s still not to do with Islam “promoting rape” – it’s to do with rapists hiding behind their supposed “morality” or “victim status” in the face of prosecution. All pious shitbags do this, from Catholic priests, to The Duggars, to Kim Davis, to various Hindu government officials called upon to comment on India’s high-profile rape cases. And indeed any secular child abuser who claims to have been singled out by their vulnerable victim to be “made” to commit abuse.

The Devil doesn’t need any advocates.

@AltoFronto

Right on the money.

The vast majority of rape is intraracial, and I don’t know if there have been specific studies, but I would have to guess it’s intrafaith most of the time as well. Because most rapists know their victim and people tend to spend the most time around people who share their demographic.

The fear that there are roving bands of Muslim rapists is based on nothing more than a bigoted fear of the other.

That said, fundamentalist movements of any religion seem to be the most rife with rape culture. Whether it’s ISIS or Quiverfull.

Hello.

@Kootiepatra and @Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Ah, yes, sorry, i have badly written my sentence and it was not clear enough i think.
Indeed, i had read the same good arguments you wrote in scientific papers, and i agree with you that there sure have been distorsion there (but since when ? As there is a huge focus on the so called “advanced civilizations” around Mediterannee, where we are more tan than pale pink, since when has it turned to a quite all-white characters religion pictures ? I may biased here, as a miscreant, but that still perplexes me).
My sentence should has (had ?) been : “I wonder sometimes how it would have turned if Christ had been described and picturally painted as black or brown in the Bible and arts”.

@EJ (The Other One)
I have read your essay, and it is interesting (i have no historical and/or social knowledge background so i can not judge if it is wrong or right, sorry). Correct me if i am wrong, but, to sum up, your advice is that there is white supremacy (and all what it implies as behavior) as a way of deception (and even self-deception) to mask and hide former abusive behaviors, and to avoid and refuse to recognize them.
The “hand the keys back” part reminds me a bit of the “Beds are burning” from Midnight Oil.
Problem is that as History is written by the winners, it is sometimes difficult to track properly the bad things done.

Have a nice day.

@ Altofronto & WWTH

Yeah, it is tricky to draw a balance between protecting victims but not providing ammunition to bigots who’ll fan the flames for their own nefarious purposes (whilst not giving a shit about the actual victims)

The Rotherham case is far from an isolated example though. I take on board the point about rape generally being intra racial. That’s an obvious consequence of how most rapes occur.

The problem we’ve been having though is the refusal to prosecute in these cases because of the risk to community cohesion.

It’s not that one group is more likely to rape than another, it’s that one group has been getting a pass on rape, for reasons that I personally don’t think should be a consideration.

Of course we should do all we can to undermine the bigots but not at the expense of the girls who actually face the brunt of this. It’s a nettle we owe it to them to grasp.

Alan,
Nobody is arguing a rapist shouldn’t be prosecuted because they are Muslim. We’re arguing against the notion that white, Christian women are at a hugely increased risk of being raped when Muslim immigrants move into the area. Which is bigoted.

@ WWTH

I totally take on board what you say but I just think the priority has to be protecting the girls (and I know you’ll agree on that).

Trigger Warning

According to friends involved in this area, this is a pretty sanitised account

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

@ WWTH

The problem here was that people *were* arguing Muslim men shouldn’t be prosecuted.

And when those people include the local authorities and the crown prosecution service that is a huge problem

And it hasn’t gone away. There’s still a debate as to whether prosecutions are in the public interest. I find that staggering.

WWTH – unfortunately the evidence showed us that these ‘grooming gangs’ WERE almost entirely of Pakistani origin (so it isn’t about them being Muslims as such) – usually from a particular region of Pakistan, and their victims were exclusively white English girls (again religion was not a deciding factor). So in this respect yes, rape did increase as a result of an influx of a very specific type of man.

There is evidence that the men were ‘protected’ again and again. Many different reasons, much about judgements on the girls and their families (by police and social workers, primarily), and much about police being reluctant to be seen targeting the Pakistani community. There is also some evidence that Pakistani origin police officers were colluding.

There is no getting away from it it WAS men from the Pakistani community, and I expect it isn’t over yet.

Katz:

Roosh forgot to wear pink on Wednesday.

Pink? Not getting the reference. I thought off-white supremacists wear a paper bag in lieu of white hood.

I’m surprised how many of the tweets David quotes are from women–not because I don’t believe women are racists, but because it’s become so dangerous for women to express strong opinions in public. As a woman I’d be very hesitant to express any negative opinion in a public forum, let alone a negative opinion about a specific man. It seems these women have no qualms about doing so–they’re not worried about consequences, or if they are it doesn’t stop them from putting it out there. Do they think they’re immune because they’re on the ‘right’ side? Do they think men–either their own partners or their colleagues in hate–have their back? Are left-leaning women more constrained in expressing our opinions in social media than right-leaning women? Is that because we really do get more threats, because we don’t feel like anyone will protect or support us if we’re threatened (irrespective of whether we, or the right-wing women, actually will or do get support), or something else?

Well, as a left-wing feminist woman, yes, I do get threats. Often from the most inconsequential Internet tough guys, too. But not a single one of them has ever managed to tell me exactly where I live, even though they all claim to know. I’ve never been bothered by them at home, either. I guess this holds true of them:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OJSVNTXSUPw/UoqIF2VTVXI/AAAAAAAAPD4/smFqsGsF-pI/s1600/internet-reality.gif

As for right-wing women, I think something similar applies. Sure, they say they want patriarchy, and all that shit. But in real life, these Serena Joys of the Hitlerjugend would probably cringe if any of their racist/sexist fantasies ever came true. And I bet dollars to doughnuts they’d cry if they couldn’t watch any more pornos with Big Black Men boinking tiny white blondes, either.

occasional reader:

since when has it turned to a quite all-white characters religion pictures ?

In ancient times, people didn’t much know or care what famous people really looked like. There was no photography, portraits were expensive and there was no way to copy images efficiently. Jesus wasn’t even that famous while he lived.

Allegedly, the Western popular image of Jesus is based on medieval Frankish kings, affected by medieval and renaissance art styles, or something like that. Other cultures have different images of Jesus.

As for right-wing women, I think something similar applies. Sure, they say they want patriarchy, and all that shit. But in real life, these Serena Joys of the Hitlerjugend would probably cringe if any of their racist/sexist fantasies ever came true. And I bet dollars to doughnuts they’d cry if they couldn’t watch any more pornos with Big Black Men boinking tiny white blondes, either.

Bina, have I told you recently how much you enrich my life?

I’ve noticed the Swedish 4chan/reddit troll person Torsten Sjöberg has been following this thread and even tweeted a screenshot of a SFHC comment. I doubt that’s his real name though. Can’t find anyone under 40 with that name in the country. I would assume from his behavior that this guy is younger, although I suppose some older dudes do still hang out on 4chan.

@arctic ape pink on Wednesdays is from the movie “Mean Girls”. The titular mean girls have rules, one of them being wearing pink on Wednesdays.

See, it’s funny, because Roosh forgot to be white. It’s heritage, not hate. Okay, it’s heritage and it’s hate. it’s both.

Allegedly, the Western popular image of Jesus is based on medieval Frankish kings, affected by medieval and renaissance art styles, or something like that. Other cultures have different images of Jesus.

Case in point: The nativity as portrayed by the Ethiopian church, one of the oldest Christian denominations.

http://zocalopoets.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/zp_ethiopian-nativity-scene-painted-in-a-traditional-style2.jpg

Ha! It looks like they’re saying to themselves: ”Can you believe this shit?”

“What star sign is he?”

“Er, well Capricorn”

“So what are they then?”

“HE IS THE SON OF GOD!”

“Ah, so that’s Capricorns is it?”

[Copyright © Monty Python]

In that photo they look like rejected extras from a Tarantino movie.