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Cassie Jaye tells Vocativ she was stalked by an MRA she interviewed for her Red Pill doc

The story of Cassie Jaye and her Red Pill documentary gets curiouser and curiouser. In an interview with Tracy Clark-Flory of Vocativ she admits that she’s actually a bit scared of the MRAs whose cause she now seems to be championing.

As Clark-Flory puts it:

It turns out Jaye understands fear of MRAs. “I luckily moved recently,” she said toward the end of our nearly three-hour-long conversation, explaining that some of the men she interviewed had her home address. “I was really glad to move.”

Indeed, Jaye told Clark-Flory that during the course of her interviews one of her subjects evidently became smitten with her, and, in classic MRA style, treated her to numerous late-night phone calls of an apparently amorous nature.

On nearly a dozen occasions, she received calls in the middle of the night from one of her MRA subjects. (There were multiple emails, too.) Jaye implied that her repeat caller had on the mind what one might charitably call romance … .

She acknowledges to Clark-Flory that with her film “kind of being funded by men’s rights advocates,” she worries a little bit about what they might do if her final product is not to their liking.

“I think any bad seeds would probably want to see the film first before taking me down,” she said with a laugh. What if they do see the film and view it as unfavorable, though? “I guess I could go into hiding,” Jaye said.

But she apparently isn’t too worried that her new MRA fans and financial backers won’t like her film.

“Do I want to have any kind of allegiance to them to make sure I’m not harmed in the end?” She paused, the question lingering, and then explained that her video diaries show her reacting negatively to the MRAs, but that those clips were part of her early “evolution” on the subject. “I think that protects me from people wanting to attack what I said then,” she said.

The implication seemingly being that the position she ultimately came to would not make MRAs angry with her. “I think it’ll be OK,” she said.

You can read the full piece here, and I really suggest that you do. Because WTF.

In related news, the Red Pill lawyer and juice salesman who apparently bought himself an Associate Producer credit for The Red Pill with a $10,000 donation is bragging that he “cuckolded” Seth Rogan … on Twitter. By which I mean not that he’s boasting about this on Twitter, but that he thinks he actually did the cuckolding on Twitter.

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Tanya
4 years ago

I can almost guarntee Seth’s wife said “wouldn’t fuck you”, but got auto corrected, or mistyped. Just cause she’s Laura Miller Rogan. just saying….

JocTheWriter
4 years ago

She’s about to learn their true nature the hard way and it won’t be good. I just hope she gets out of this unscathed because I can’t wish bad on her, no matter her misguided intentions.

ajhagg
ajhagg
4 years ago

Cernovich is a meatheaded fool. He takes innocuous Twitter replies as proof that Rogen is “mine” and is “having marital problems.” And then uses what is almost 100% guaranteed a typo (If Lauren Miller Rogen didn’t mean to say “Well she definitely WOULDN”T fuck you!” I will eat my hat and Cernovich’s and anyone else’s who wants to watch me eat hats) to prove that Rogen is a “cuck.”

What a child.

skiriki
4 years ago

“I think it’ll be OK,” she said.

No. Nothing will be OK. This world has MRAs, therefore it is not OK. Good effin’ gods I’m actually worried sick now.

Mike
Mike
4 years ago

I propose “cuck” become a real-world “smurf.” I.E.
“This cuck tastes cuck-y; could you cuck the cuck please?”
— “OK, but after you cuck the cuck you have to cuck it back before it cucks.”
“Sure thing! Thanks, cuck!”
— “Oh don’t cuck, it’s cuck.”

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
4 years ago

Jaye went into the project intending to challenge MRA’s “misogynist” arguments and ended up impressed by their rebuttals.

Now that’s just sad. Because we all know their “rebuttals”.

I really, really hope she has a plan B for the case that her “documentary” doesn’t satisfy the MRA-mob.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
4 years ago

The Vocativ article makes it sound like Cassie jumped into this without doing much research. MRA talking points shouldn’t have come as a surprise. Sigh. I can’t see this ending well.

takshak
takshak
4 years ago

invest in popcorn futures

Tulse
Tulse
4 years ago

he thinks he actually did the cuckolding on Twitter

And that is priceless.

Twisted Inspiration
4 years ago

Wow, that’s a really sad and pathetic person.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I can’t imagine what MRA rebuttal could possibly impress. But if she doesn’t give a glowing account of them, it’s going to anger them. I don’t know whether to hope she satisfies them for the sake of her well being, or hope it’s a critical enough piece to not suckered anyone else into joining the MRM.

brian
4 years ago

Huh. Been awhile since we’ve heard from Juice Bro.
i wish it was longer.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Okay, I just read the whole piece and I have to wonder if her early indoctrination into a very patriarchal mindset plays a role in this. It doesn’t sound like she’s at the JB level where she’ll deem feminists whores and bitches, so it’ll be interesting to see this play out.

Chayanov
Chayanov
4 years ago

Jaye went into the project intending to challenge MRA’s “misogynist” arguments and ended up impressed by their rebuttals. For example, one told her, “How can you say that a woman misses twenty percent of her income versus a man missing seven years of his life because they die earlier on average?” She hadn’t thought about shorter life expectancies in this way

This is her go-to example? Women live longer on average so it’s okay that they earn less money on average? That’s some deep thinking there. Does it get better?

or known about the higher rates of homelessness, suicide and workplace deaths among men. Jaye was swayed by arguments about the tendency to not take male victims of sexual assault as seriously

Apparently not. MRAs don’t actually care about these things, at least not enough to do more than use them as a cudgel against women!

and the ways that men are discouraged from being caretakers.

Don’t you worry your pretty little head none. The big, strong men will take care of you.

Malice W Underland
4 years ago

Every time I read the word “cuck” or “cucked” on this blog, I’m literally nauseated. There’s so much that’s gross about it. The sexist and sometimes racist implications, the bizarre sexualization of things that aren’t sexual in nature, even just the sound of the word. Also, if you’re looking for a cheap way to shame a man, can you at least come up with something more creative and less idiotic sounding? Like, I dunno, “you wear ill-fitting pants and you have terrible taste in movies and you like to sniff your own farts.” That would be less idiotic.

(Exception: if you’re a fetishist and by “cuckholding” you mean a scene arranged with enthusiastic participants, in which case…you do you).

Orion
4 years ago

Chayanov,

For the sake of charity, I’ll assume that by “caretakers” she means babysitters, teachers, SAHDs, and custodial parents.

Malice W Underland
4 years ago

Cuckolding, not cuckholding. Weird, I always thought it had an H.

Drezden
Drezden
4 years ago

So let’s do some off the cuff critical thinking about the whole women live longer.

Those extra years of life are not the same as extra years of income. In fact, given that those extra years represent later life, they are more frequently years in which the person has no significant income and must rely on past income (retirement, savings, etc.) to cover the cost of living.

It turns out that those extra years don’t “even out” the wage gap in the slightest.

Angela
Angela
4 years ago

LOL at that redpill dude.That should be cited in the dictionary definition for lacking self-awareness.

BVH
BVH
4 years ago

She’s about to learn their true nature the hard way and it won’t be good. I just hope she gets out of this unscathed because I can’t wish bad on her, no matter her misguided intentions.

It would not surprise me in the least if she’s being manipulated. It’s cult recruitment/PR 101:

-Love bomb/put your best face forward.
-Lie/pretend to not know about violent/radical actions elements.
-If the person isn’t charmed, use those same elements to punish them.
-Move on to the next warm body.

Legal remedies for groups using predatory, exploitative practices are sadly inadequate. They have learned the loopholes and no one seems interested in closing them.

potterchik
potterchik
4 years ago

YOU CAN HAVE SEX ON TWITTER?!? I’m still getting used to Facebook money exchanging. What will they think of next?

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
4 years ago

Cheyanov, I’ve seen examples like those “impress” “feminists” on the internet before. I don’t know what’s going on with Cassie Jaye, I would hope that as a documentary film maker she would have the wits to not stop there, but to scratch the surface a little…I mean it’s not as if nobody in society cares about homelessness or suicide, it’s just that they aren’t treated as gender-specific issues because male is the default and men’s issues are human issues. Contrast to “women’s issues” which are treated as special interest despite us making up the other half of the population – we need special funds, associations, organizations etc. for many things to even get addressed.

Chayanov
Chayanov
4 years ago

Ah, Orion you’re probably right.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
4 years ago

And on the “cucking” (ick) thing…does Mike Cernovich *seriously* (seriously?!) believe that Lauren Miller saw some random dude trolling her husband on twitter and said to herself “now thats a guy I’d like to fuck!”? Seriously?

Shadow_Nirvana
4 years ago

So… do any of you still think she’ll be making a documentary that is truly critical of MRAs?

BVH
BVH
4 years ago

Her IMDb credits give me the impression of trying too hard, especially the last two films.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1787884/

Look compelling, but reviews are uneven.

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

I’m honestly terrified for her at this point. There is just no way this can end well. She’s negotiating with a hornets’ nest.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
4 years ago

@Mels, if she more or less goes along with what they want I suppose she can be as “alright” as any other woman in the manosphere such as JB or Girl Writes What. Her credibility as a documentary filmmaker will be severely damaged if not totally destroyed though. I haven’t seen her other docs so I don’t know what’s at stake here. If she does make an honest documentary I don’t think there is any chance she will be alright, but judging from her quotes I think she may have drunk the manosphere kool-aid.

Bina
Bina
4 years ago

Cuckolding, not cuckholding. Weird, I always thought it had an H.

“Hold my cuck while I take a piss.”

Ahem.

On a more serious note, though, it’s suddenly easy to see why she really wants to believe that Cannes indy-film award is real. She really wants to believe that these guys are okay people, too.

Boy, is she in for a rough landing.

sunnysombrera
4 years ago

@Fnoicby
So Cassie is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If the documentary doesn’t worship the ground they walk on she’ll be hounded and harassed beyond what she can imagine. If she DOES do it, her credibility as a filmmaker is shot.

Yikes. Poor lady. I really hope she backs out of all this in the next week or so – it may be her only chance at maintaining her career and her quality of life as it is now.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

I spent some time at Oxford*.

* Walking around, mostly – visited some neat used book shops.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

Dammit, wrong thread :p

hippielady
hippielady
4 years ago

Did anyone else notice how she’s worried about what the MRAs will think of her film and not at all worried about what feminists think? Underneath it all, I think she realizes that the MRAs can and would hurt her, while the feminists will not.

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

@Fnoicby – It’s going to be hard to make MRA shitheels look like anything but shitheels for the length of a feature film, though. And all it will take is one gross moment for the rest of us to point out for the MRM to turn on her and accuse her of slander (or whatever nonsense crime they come up with to describe their own vile behavior). Especially since she’s a woman. They will jump at the chance to spit vitriol at even the slightest percieved transgression. I’m afraid for her.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Drezden,
I ran out of time on my break, but that was my thought too. Elderly women are significantly more likely to be impoverished than elderly men because we live longer but have less money. The fact that we live longer is an argument for, not against closing the wage gap. Unless one thinks being poorer is some sort of punishment for living longer even though it’s my understanding that females live longer across mammal species so the difference may well be due to biology and not anything societal.

autosoma
4 years ago

oh my God. I’m having an argument with my wife that’s seriously pushing me towards MGTOW, I’m having difficulty coping. I need help.

AAAtheist
4 years ago

Maybe I’m one of the few commenters here who has seen Daddy I Do.  It’s not a great documentary, but it’s not horrible either.  What it did is allow proponents and adherents of purity culture (along with critics, abuse survivors, secular individuals and educators, and assorted others) to talk into the camera without much interference, commentary, or criticism to make their own case.  This sort of works with purity culture because, even as wrong-headed as it is, it sometimes operates in an atmosphere of naivete and willful ignorance that allows it to be examined and critiqued with a hands-off approach.

This is a very problematic approach to take with verified hate-mongers whose willful ignorance is hateful and malicious.  It looks like Cassie Jaye was somewhat bamboozled by a combination of slippery propaganda, semi-skillful debate rhetoric, MRAs on their best behavior, and an ignorance of the bigotry and harm the manosphere generates at the macro level.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

What’s up, autosoma?

Verily Baroque
Verily Baroque
4 years ago

@autosoma
Sounds like a really bad quarrel. You alright?

Eschen
Eschen
4 years ago

I have no idea how she can acknowledge how dangerous they are, and yet still apparently believe their arguments are being made in good faith. That’s not to say that groups with violent elements never represent a worthwhile cause… but you would think that feeling as if you’d need to go into hiding if they disliked your film would at least warrant at least a little skepticism. I mean, it takes the barest minimum of research to expose them as misogynists who occasionally hide behind real issues that they seem to have no intention of actually addressing.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Hippielady,
Very true. I’ve never heard of anyone having to be relieved that they’ve moved after interviewing feminists and giving them their contact info.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
4 years ago

@Mels, that’s why I said her credibility would end up shot. If she takes their talking points at face value and makes no effort to dig even a millimeter in, the manosphere might be happy enough. You make a great point, any flaws pointed out by feminists and regular people (non manospherians) run the risk of unleashing their wrath on her for “making them look bad”. It’s a terrible position for her to be in even if she truly has bought into their philosophy – I agree her best move may be to abandon the project asap.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

It’s so weird that she’s afraid of what might happen if MRAs don’t like her documentary. The worst possiblity that would still be in the realms of reasonable, would be that they would refuse to aid her career in any way/write hit pieces against her. If she wasn’t joking when she said that she could go into hiding, that speaks volumes about the MRAs she’s interviewed.

And, as for the argument that impressed her… This is actually really stupid. It’s not a competition: “I’m opressed!” “I’m more opressed! So I win and you can’t complain! Neener neener neener” is the dumbest way of solving problems. Furthermore, the issues mentioned are not mutually exclusive. I really don’t know what the argument she heard can convince anyone of, besides “men have problems too”.

kazei5
4 years ago

Cripes, I don’t like what she’s doing, but I hope she stays safe. Because we all know what’s going to happen if her documentary doesn’t meet their wild expectations.

Not that I want her documentary to succeed at any rate. From everything I’ve heard, she’s looking to uplift them by showing off their side, when all there is to their side is a bunch of women hating pricks that believe rape is just fine.

pkayden
pkayden
4 years ago

If Jaye believes that MRAs will be okay with her documentary, why did she have to change her address? It’s obvious she’s made a homage to MRAs rather than an objective film which is horrible given that they don’t deserve any good coverage.

W
W
4 years ago

So let’s do some off the cuff critical thinking…

do some what-now? That is absurd. What ever that is, other people do it for me, because I am a logical person /sarcasm

as an aside, this whole thing is developing almost exactly how I thought it would and I find that disturbing. Hopefully she comes out of it unscathed

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@autosoma:
If you need an ear to vent into, I can be available.

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

@Eschen – “I have no idea how she can acknowledge how dangerous they are, and yet still apparently believe their arguments are being made in good faith.”

I have a bad feeling she’s realized what a mistake she’s made and is now trying to walk a tightrope. The casual comment about going into hiding made me cringe.

Even if she were to abandon the project now, the MRM would likely strike back at her, either for “leading them on,” or for financial reasons, or for “making them look bad” (ie admitting that they’re scary). What an awful situation.

Bina
Bina
4 years ago

Oh gawd, can we talk about JuiceBrain, too? Please? Because this guy is he-sterical:

I used to get a little whiny when Dr. Helen Smith would get to appear on FoxNews to talk about men’s issues. Dr. Helen would talk about issues we’ve covered for years.
Why can a woman say what we’ve said without being called a misogynist or bigot?

Uh, she can’t. She’s still a bigot and a misogynist. I’ve been saying for years that she is, too. Just because she’s internalized a bunch of sexist bullshit doesn’t mean she gets a free ride. Except, maybe, from sexist bullshitters. (Which is just pathetic.)

Why do women and gay men get a “free pass” to say what I say and still get mainstream appearances?

Dude, if you think right-wing TV and shitty blogs are “mainstream”, you’ve got even more ‘roids on the brain than I thought. Everyone else realizes they’re open sewers of stinking feculence.

As for “free passes”, ruffle-a-mao. I’ve gotten into arguments with idiots (both female and gay male) who fell for that shit. And won those fights, without mercy. NO ‘winger gets a free pass from me, no matter their identity.

I am smarter and better looking than the “right wing men” they put on TV (other than Milo, of course). Isn’t it unfair that I am not on TV?
That’s petty – feminist – thinking.

No, it’s not unfair, Mikey. You’re a fringe figure. You’re dim as a burnt-out ten-watt bulb. And you’re not that good looking. In fact, I don’t think you’re good looking at all. (Neither is Milo, and ask any gay guy if you won’t take a woman’s word for it.)

I am not an MRA.
I do not particularly like MRAs.

Uh-huh. Well, you may not like the other MRAs, because your “gorilla mindset” sees them as competition for scarce feeeeeemales, but you still ARE one.

At 38, I’m not that much older than most of you.

This sounds like he’s whining at all the late-teens/early-20s women who’ve rejected him lately. He’s no doubt finding out that men, too, have a “wall”, and he’s hit it hard. (And early, thanks to all those ‘roids in his juice.)

Even in my lifetime I remember when family mattered. Men and women worked together to raise children.

Uh, Mikey? Family still matters. But not the way you think. Men aren’t natural-born heads, and women aren’t born to take orders without complaint. It’s not our fault if no one wants your LIQUID FUCKING GOLD, weenie.

And why do I get the feeling that all this “worked together” really just means that the women did all the work, and the men maybe kicked in a buck or two…IF they felt like it?

Parents worked it out for the betterment of their children.
Now children are leverage in divorce proceedings.
Men go to jail after losing their jobs and are labelled deadbeat dads.

What? No, Mikey…men who make lots of money at the jobs they keep (in spite of divorce!), and spend it all on strippers and cocaine, are labelled deadbeat dads. For good reason. And they don’t go to jail. Most of the time, they get away with it. BIG time. All they have to do is move to another state or province, and boom! The law can’t touch their ass. Meanwhile, Baby Mama is left on the hook, as always. And what does he say about HER?

Women who squander alimony and child support payments on a lavish lifestyle rather than providing for a child face no legal consequences.

Oh gawd, that projector sure runs hot. But the film on the reel is thwapping around. Mikey isn’t reflecting reality here; he’s projecting his own fantasies onto women.

Men – especially teenage boys – commit suicide at four times the rate of women.

Oh Christ, this old disingenuous canard yet again. Males and females attempt suicide at about the same rate. But men pick more violent (and therefore, more “successful”) methods, so they don’t have the same failure rate as women. They use guns more than women. Guns kill people; one shot will do. Women are more likely to use pills, which tend to work less effectively. Often, they just end up vomiting them out and not dying, and end up getting rescued, and get help for their problems, and never attempt it again. See how that works?

Those are real issues men face. Those issues harm men, women, and children.

No, Mikey, those are “issues” MRAs gin up (and deliberately get wrong) to get attention, sympathy, and above all, $$$. And yet, you don’t consider yourself one of them? You are a joke. No wonder no one wants your ape face on their TV.

And speaking of bids for cash, here comes a sales pitch, right on cue:

Danger & Play is committed to freeing your mind from a debased, slave culture. Gorilla Mindset gives you the skills you need to control your thoughts and emotions when the world is coming at you.

Snurk. Trade reality for Mikey’s own brand of mental enslavement! Come on, you gendered slurs, what’s holding you back?

With proper mindset training we can overcome any adversity. We can thrive in hostile environments. Even a man-hating society won’t stop us from realizing our vision.
Wouldn’t it be nice, however, to be able to talk to a girl and not wonder if you’ll be expelled from school?
Can you image a world where you have sex with a woman without worrying about a false rape accusation? Until recently, men and women had sex. Everything was great. Men did not wonder if she’d regret her decision and falsely accuse him of rape.
How much more energy would you have if you could visit your kids and not have to pay alimony?
Mindset matters most of all, and stay the heck away from the culture war stuff until you have a strong, powerful mind.
When you are in control of your life, as I am, give back. Work to change the culture.

Or just fork $$$ at a vulnerable and too-trusting young woman filmmaker, and pressure her to put your “movement” in a better light than it really deserves.

And meanwhile, white-knight the fuck out of that damsel:

f you think Cassie Jaye is going to say whatever she wants about “our issues,” forget it. She is already under attack.
Cassie is going to have a very difficult year finishing this film.

She will be lied about.
Personal “friends” will unfriend her her on Facebook, call her names, and gossip about her behind her back.
She will be accused of promoting hate speech.
Hollywood types will threaten to blacklist her from the film industry.

Attacks on her have already happened, and of course these attacks lie about me while implying Cassie is guilty-by-association for accepting my pledge.

…and get in a little stealth-damselling, in true Gorilla Mindset manly-man fashion, while you’re at it.

And look! Here comes another sales pitch! Which is NOT a sales pitch, you SJW gendered slurs, you:

Whenever I do anything good people invariably claim it’s a marketing play.
You are wrong and right. Let me explain.
Go read Gorilla Mindset. (Nice plug!)
There is no better book like it on the market.

Ruffle-la-mao. See? No marketing ploy (not “play”, Mikey) there!

Get real.
I don’t raise hell to make money, I make money to raise hell.

And I do it by peddling my magic muscle juice and pretending to be a Big Shot Lawyer who will sue the snot out of your very nose if you dare to sniff at me. (What do you mean there are steroids in my magic muscle juice, and they’ve turned my balls into raisins? LIES! Stinking SJW lies! I live DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH, SPINSTERS!!!)

I do what I do because it’s fun!
Fun comes first.
Marketing comes second.

Surrrrrre, Mikey. We believe you! (But we won’t buy your stinkin’ book, because Charmin is still cheaper and more convenient to use for that purpose.)

Danger & Play is not for critics. It’s for creators.
Danger & Play began after I tossed a copy of Esquire magazine across my living room in 2011. “What is this male-hating bullshit?”

“Creators” of what? Petulance, manufactured outrage, and steroid juice that builds your biceps, but shrinks your ‘nads? I can’t stop laughing. This is liquid comedy gold!

Every day I try to make someone’s day.
Usually this mean’s leaving a larger tip. Sometimes I make conversation with someone who seems down. Other days I’ll answer emails.

Translation: I harass women. And try to buy sex off them. A lot.

Not because of the urge to be a white knight, because this film will add danger and play to my life while making the world a better place for everyone.

Uh-huh. Surrrrrrre, Mikey. You’re a regular Brother Teresa. And no doubt you expect her to suck your shrunken dick for it, too.

And if she doesn’t, what then?

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