Earlier today Jack Barnes, one of A Voice for Men’s most energetic attack dogs, popped into my Twitter mentions with a link to an AVFM post accusing me of … threatening Cassie Jaye, director of the upcoming documentary The Red Pill, in the open letter I wrote to her the other day.
The post, written by Jack Barnes with assistance from AVFM head boy Paul Elam, was filled with the incisive writing and clear thinking we have come to expect from that site. A sampling:
David Futrelle, publisher of the online supermarket tabloid We Hunted the Mammoth, appears to be suffering from enough stress to wilt a buttercup. ,,,
The Red Pill, filmmaker Cassie Jaye’s documentary on the MHRM and gender politics, appears to challenge his worldview, thus the crying and stained diapers.
Yes, it apparently took two people to come up with those oh-so-cutting insults.
Later in the post, Barnes and Elam described the flood of money that MRAs and Milo Yiannopoulos fans sent to Jaye with a rather peculiar metaphor:
Jaye’s fundraiser burst through the finish line like David Futrelle through the doors of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
When he was done with that last box of chicken tenders, he started typing – allegedly after wiping the grease from his fingers and chin with a napkin.
There’s more, lots more, but the real point of Barnes and Elam’s post was to smear me by declaring that I had threatened Jaye.
Oh, at first they danced around the accusation by phrasing it in the form of a question: “Did David Futrelle threaten Cassie Jaye?” They then declared it ” a threatoid … not an actual threat.”
But they followed this up by declaring flat-out that what I had written
is as clearly a threat as it is in the stereotypical mafia movie where the mobsters says, “Nice family. Be a shame if something happened to them.”
So what is this terrible threat they claim I made? The two quoted me as saying this:
I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know….I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
You may notice that Barnes and Elam snipped out a bit in the middle there, as indicated by the ellipsis.
That’s because what I really wrote, in its full context, was this:
Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.
And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.
Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.
One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.
I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
That’s right. My “threat” was that … she would eventually realize that when Paul Elam gets excited about something, that’s generally a very bad sign. Because Paul Elam is terrible.
I will stand by that assertion. Which is not, by any stretch of the imagination, actually a threat or even a “threatoid.”
Neither Jack Barnes nor Paul Elam are famous for their honesty, but this is pretty flagrant on their part. And they made a point of not linking to my post (or even an archive of it) in their post, presumably so no one would notice what they cut out of my quote.
There is an added irony here, as alluded to in my headline: My (false) accuser, Jack Barnes, himself threatens feminists all the time. Indeed, he has admitted plainly that he harasses and abuses them. Those are his words, not mine, and for once he is being honest here.
The Men's Rights Movement is about harassing women, hating women, hurting women and only harms mens real issues. pic.twitter.com/L3agciVA3j
— TakedownMRAs (@TakedownMRAs) January 28, 2015
And if that’s not direct enough for you, try this Tweet (archived here in case he deletes it).
https://twitter.com/Jackbarnesmra/status/623269403799482369
In this recent Tweet, he alludes to the vicious harassment inflicted upon feminist Youtuber Laughing Witch, and wonders if similar harassment could be brought down on two Twitter feminists he often tangles with:
MRAs stop at nothing to silence people exposing their little hate group. pic.twitter.com/fQCKfpCW3Y
— TakedownMRAs (@TakedownMRAs) October 27, 2015
Oh, but there’s more:
Any of my U.S. or Indian friends care to correct this ridiculous MRA? pic.twitter.com/JgactHLBRh
— TakedownMRAs (@TakedownMRAs) October 20, 2015
MRAs actually think like this. Like, for real. pic.twitter.com/xYyI4Gj1mP
— TakedownMRAs (@TakedownMRAs) October 30, 2015
But this Tweet, posted in response to a murderous shooting rampage carried out by an angry misogynist at a Louisiana theater, is perhaps the most chilling.
https://twitter.com/Jackbarnesmra/status/626838268173283328
Barnes actually took a lot of flak from other MRAs about that last tweet; he stood by it.
Cassie Jaye, if by chance you are reading this, take note: this is the real Men’s Rights Movement. Not what they tell you, all teary eyed, when your camera is rolling.
I had to skip a bunch of comments ( that I will later read instead of sleeping) just to ask the regular commenters… Does CaptainWacky win the thread? They almost have to either win that or one internet, right?
Also, I really really want Kentucky Fried Chicken. I hate all of you, because I’m poor and the store has been closed for hours.
@wwth Sorry that happened, and that you had to experience that kind of scare. Not quite the same thing, since I was in a car, but I was at a green light, just accelerating and a car shot past maybe a few inches from my car. Through a red light; with no headlights at almost midnight. I think it’s partly the anonymity and partly because while in a car, you feel (and are) so much bigger and stronger and faster than those sorry pedestrians. You can easily take them and won’t be hurt. Like anonymity on the Internet, it makes you feel so powerful.
What I find really interesting about this is that they are accusing David of threatening her with their potential actions. It’s almost like self-awareness.
I swear, the dumber someone is, the less they can process irony, this needs to be studied or something because I see more evidence of it every day.
First they accuse WHTM of being a “supermarket tabloid” while saying something like “Did David Futrelle threaten Cassie Jaye?” Because that’s totally not something a supermarket tabloid would do, make some ridiculous accusation in the form of a question just to get you to buy it and open it up to find out that, no, Kim Kardashian did not in fact get abducted by aliens.
Then they accuse Futrelle of throwing a tantrum…in a long, bitter, childish insult filled rant that they clearly put a lot of time and effort and butthurt into, where they desperately attempt to attack his reputation and accuse him of threats in a stretch that would impress Reed Richards.
And then of course there’s the human dingleberry who goes so far out of his way to fabricate this pathetic excuse for an accusation of Futrelle making threats, even though threatening women he doesn’t like is literally all said dingleberry is doing with his life.
And as an added bonus, he considers feminists “bigots”, even though there isn’t a single reason you could consider them bigots which wouldn’t also apply to him. If you are intolerant of feminists, you are a bigot by every definition of the word you will find anywhere.
We need to find a way to make them understand irony or something, because it seems like all their hateful bigotry is based on hypocrisy.
@Tessa
If I know my internet arguments at all, it involves hitting women.
Barnes sounds like an internet tough guy. I’m surprised he hasn’t challenged David or anyone else to a karate fight. And why do these MRA types always post comments that read like they were written by teenagers? And not particularly clever ones at that?
@Laurie Mann
“There are lots of babbling boys out there, and many connected to mra in some way are only that. Just block and move on. They aren’t worth the breath.”
Unfortunately that is a tactic that only serves to make them find other ways to continue their mission of harassment, with more effort than they did before. “So s/he blocked me, eh? I’ll show HER/HIM.” – *new accounts/online personas created, minions instructed then follow*.
@MexicanHotChocolate
Thanks, now I’ll always picture MRA trolls like this.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh75/Amazingly_album/karatekid.jpg
“David Futrelle, publisher of the online supermarket tabloid We Hunted the Mammoth, appears to be suffering from enough stress to wilt a buttercup. ,,,”
&
“…thus the crying and stained diapers.”
&
“Jaye’s fundraiser burst through the finish line like David Futrelle through the doors of Kentucky Fried Chicken.”
TL;DR: DAviD FuTRelle why you gotta be so mean, are you like on your period or something? Don’t you chicks wear something in your pants to like catch staining and get weird food cravings during that time. Oh yah, diapers and fried chicken, sounds legit.
/s
So Jack Barnes thinks that “We have all but eradicated feminism in the US and India.” That’s impressively deluded, unless this is some special MRA usage of “all but”.
WWTH
Brings new meaning to the term, “Information Super Highway”.
Actually, that made a frightening amount of total sense.
Ah, Hydrocodone. Hello, old friend. I’ve had wisdom teeth pulled, abscessed teeth, wherein the nerves died a hard, painful death and I’ve had kidney stones, twice. In all cases, I was prescribed hydrocodone. And everything was right with the world. 🙂
Also, @Davud Futrelle
Based on my vast experience of stereotypical Mafia threats gleaned from 30 years of watching mobster movies you did indeed threaten Cassie Jaye in your blog. I know this because I printed out your post using different sized fonts, cut out the letters, and pasted those letters into a threatening letter that I smeared with pigs blood and left at Cassie Jaye’s door. QED you threatened Cassie Jaye.
QED.
Stop lying @David Futrelle. It’s unfeminine.
/s
In the preview to “The Red Pill”, someone alleges that men are being arrested because women break their nails while beating up men. Actually, even though if I consider myself a feminist, if men are being arrested because women break their nails while beating on men, I’m against that. I’m not convinced that this actually happens, but if it does, i want to know about it. It’s not going to make gamergate really about ethics in journalism, and it’s not going to make Paul Elam a non-jackass. Truth or bullshit, a documentary film is only going to change the world so much.
It says a lot about Elam’s mentality that he expects us all to be shitting ourselves in fear over another documentary. These guys are always waiting for the one magical thing that’s going to change everybody’s mind. Their MRA utopia is always right around the corner.
Has Cassie jaye been outsmarted by Paul Elam? I find it hard to believe that ANYONE has EVER been outsmarted by Paul Elam.
There’s no reason to be afraid of the truth. There’s no reason to be afraid of bullshit. There’s no reason to be afraid.
That sounds like exactly the sort of accusation some MRA writer first came up with to be facetious, but which then got taken completely seriously by the rest of the MRM because of course they would, these people have completely lost track of what goes on in the real world. I would love to see if they even try and prove it, or if they just run with it. If I know MRAs, they’re going to go ahead and act out the “crime” in a Discovery Channel style recreation.
…Good thing I keep my nails cut brutally short. Does it count when it’s a 100% consensual beating and never results in anyone being arrested?
The need for evidence proving that all the crappy things he’s done over the years was totally rational and justified, while crowing about it all to the public is strong in Elam. What a wasted life, decades that could have actually been spent on doing things to help men in crisis’, whether from being homeless, DV and other abuse, etc…instead he frittered away his time on being angry/harassing/yodeling on the internet at women.
Well, this doesn’t surprise me in the least. Since when have MRAs or their ilk ever said anything that coincided with reality?
So them categorizing what David wrote as threat makes about as much sense as them saying their threats are just criticism.
Blech! I just realized there are Swedish threads on 4chan in /int/, where they speak 4chanese but with everything translated to Swedish versions. I literally feel sick now that I know this exists.
tfw = dkn
tbh = favä
cuck = hanrej
And so on. Yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.
That’s rich, given calling AVFM a supermarket tabloid would be overstating their prestige and credibility.
Considering those honest tweets … isn’t that called “doing a Trump” these days?
“We have all but eradicated feminism in the US and India.”
Feminism hasn’t even really taken off yet in India. Hopefully it will because that country is horrible on women. Speaking from personal experience.
Homer: From now on, I’m gonna be just like Krusty and tell it like it is. Marge, you’re getting a little fat around the old thighs!
Bart: Dad!
Homer: You too, Bart!
Marge: Oh, knock it off, Homer, you’re the fattest one in the car!
Homer: You didn’t have to tell it like it is, Marge!
“Any of my U.S. or Indian friends care to correct this ridiculous MRA? pic.twitter.com/JgactHLBRh”
Yeah. So MRAs including Janet Bloomfield castigate feminists for supposedly not not doing anything for women in countries where, as they put it , “women are *really* oppressed” and now they want to get rid of feminism in India of all places?! I wonder which countries in their book count as places where “women are *really* oppressed”?!
Happy Halloween, Desi Ishtyle 🙂
Virtually, thanks for the Halloween wishes on this and the other thread. :3
I know things have been tense around here as of late, and it’s appreciated.
Am I the only one mildly disturbed by the image of stained diapers that are crying?
Just sayin’.