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A self-described harasser and abuser of feminists is accusing me of threatening Cassie Jaye

 Jack Barnes, "who describes himself as a "Proud MRA, Proud Anti-Feminist, GamerGate Supporter, Contributor to http://www.avoiceformen.com."
Jack Barnes, who describes himself as a “Proud MRA, Proud Anti-Feminist, GamerGate Supporter, Contributor to http://www.avoiceformen.com.”

Earlier today Jack Barnes, one of A Voice for Men’s most energetic attack dogs, popped into my Twitter mentions with a link to an AVFM post accusing me of … threatening Cassie Jaye, director of the upcoming documentary The Red Pill, in the open letter I wrote to her the other day.

The post, written by Jack Barnes with assistance from AVFM head boy Paul Elam, was filled with the incisive writing and clear thinking we have come to expect from that site. A sampling:

David Futrelle, publisher of the online supermarket tabloid We Hunted the Mammoth, appears to be suffering from enough stress to wilt a buttercup. ,,,

The Red Pill, filmmaker Cassie Jaye’s documentary on the MHRM and gender politics, appears to challenge his worldview, thus the crying and stained diapers.

Yes, it apparently took two people to come up with those oh-so-cutting insults.

Later in the post, Barnes and Elam described the flood of money that MRAs and Milo Yiannopoulos fans sent to Jaye with a rather peculiar metaphor:

Jaye’s fundraiser burst through the finish line like David Futrelle through the doors of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

When he was done with that last box of chicken tenders, he started typing – allegedly after wiping the grease from his fingers and chin with a napkin.

There’s more, lots more, but the real point of Barnes and Elam’s post was to smear me by declaring that I had threatened Jaye.

Oh, at first they danced around the accusation by phrasing it in the form of a question: “Did David Futrelle threaten Cassie Jaye?” They then declared it ” a threatoid … not an actual threat.”

But they followed this up by declaring flat-out that what I had written

is as clearly a threat as it is in the stereotypical mafia movie where the mobsters says, “Nice family. Be a shame if something happened to them.”

So what is this terrible threat they claim I made? The two quoted me as saying this:

I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know….I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.

You may notice that Barnes and Elam snipped out a bit in the middle there, as indicated by the ellipsis.

That’s because what I really wrote, in its full context, was this:

Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.

And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.

Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.

One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.

I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.

That’s right. My “threat” was that … she would eventually realize that when Paul Elam gets excited about something, that’s generally a very bad sign. Because Paul Elam is terrible.

I will stand by that assertion. Which is not, by any stretch of the imagination, actually a threat or even a “threatoid.”

Neither Jack Barnes nor Paul Elam are famous for their honesty, but this is pretty flagrant on their part. And they made a point of not linking to my post (or even an archive of it) in their post, presumably so no one would notice what they cut out of my quote.

There is an added irony here, as alluded to in my headline: My (false) accuser, Jack Barnes, himself threatens feminists all the time. Indeed, he has admitted plainly that he harasses and abuses them. Those are his words, not mine, and for once he is being honest here.

And if that’s not direct enough for you, try this Tweet (archived here in case he deletes it).

https://twitter.com/Jackbarnesmra/status/623269403799482369

In this recent Tweet, he alludes to the vicious harassment inflicted upon feminist Youtuber Laughing Witch, and wonders if similar harassment could be brought down on two Twitter feminists he often tangles with:

Oh, but there’s more:

But this Tweet, posted in response to a murderous shooting rampage carried out by an angry misogynist at a Louisiana theater, is perhaps the most chilling.

https://twitter.com/Jackbarnesmra/status/626838268173283328

Barnes actually took a lot of flak from other MRAs about that last tweet; he stood by it.

Cassie Jaye, if by chance you are reading this, take note: this is the real Men’s Rights Movement. Not what they tell you, all teary eyed, when your camera is rolling.

 

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Ace
Ace
4 years ago

I had to skip a bunch of comments ( that I will later read instead of sleeping) just to ask the regular commenters… Does CaptainWacky win the thread? They almost have to either win that or one internet, right?

Also, I really really want Kentucky Fried Chicken. I hate all of you, because I’m poor and the store has been closed for hours.

Ace
Ace
4 years ago

@wwth Sorry that happened, and that you had to experience that kind of scare. Not quite the same thing, since I was in a car, but I was at a green light, just accelerating and a car shot past maybe a few inches from my car. Through a red light; with no headlights at almost midnight. I think it’s partly the anonymity and partly because while in a car, you feel (and are) so much bigger and stronger and faster than those sorry pedestrians. You can easily take them and won’t be hurt. Like anonymity on the Internet, it makes you feel so powerful.

Tessa
Tessa
4 years ago

What I find really interesting about this is that they are accusing David of threatening her with their potential actions. It’s almost like self-awareness.

gosuamakenatek
gosuamakenatek
4 years ago

I swear, the dumber someone is, the less they can process irony, this needs to be studied or something because I see more evidence of it every day.
First they accuse WHTM of being a “supermarket tabloid” while saying something like “Did David Futrelle threaten Cassie Jaye?” Because that’s totally not something a supermarket tabloid would do, make some ridiculous accusation in the form of a question just to get you to buy it and open it up to find out that, no, Kim Kardashian did not in fact get abducted by aliens.
Then they accuse Futrelle of throwing a tantrum…in a long, bitter, childish insult filled rant that they clearly put a lot of time and effort and butthurt into, where they desperately attempt to attack his reputation and accuse him of threats in a stretch that would impress Reed Richards.
And then of course there’s the human dingleberry who goes so far out of his way to fabricate this pathetic excuse for an accusation of Futrelle making threats, even though threatening women he doesn’t like is literally all said dingleberry is doing with his life.
And as an added bonus, he considers feminists “bigots”, even though there isn’t a single reason you could consider them bigots which wouldn’t also apply to him. If you are intolerant of feminists, you are a bigot by every definition of the word you will find anywhere.
We need to find a way to make them understand irony or something, because it seems like all their hateful bigotry is based on hypocrisy.

Kootiepatra
4 years ago

@Tessa

I really really wonder what they believe this would look like.

If I know my internet arguments at all, it involves hitting women.

MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
4 years ago

Barnes sounds like an internet tough guy. I’m surprised he hasn’t challenged David or anyone else to a karate fight. And why do these MRA types always post comments that read like they were written by teenagers? And not particularly clever ones at that?

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@Laurie Mann

“There are lots of babbling boys out there, and many connected to mra in some way are only that. Just block and move on. They aren’t worth the breath.”

Unfortunately that is a tactic that only serves to make them find other ways to continue their mission of harassment, with more effort than they did before. “So s/he blocked me, eh? I’ll show HER/HIM.” – *new accounts/online personas created, minions instructed then follow*.

Leda Atomica
Leda Atomica
4 years ago

@MexicanHotChocolate

Thanks, now I’ll always picture MRA trolls like this.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh75/Amazingly_album/karatekid.jpg

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

“David Futrelle, publisher of the online supermarket tabloid We Hunted the Mammoth, appears to be suffering from enough stress to wilt a buttercup. ,,,”

&

“…thus the crying and stained diapers.”

&

“Jaye’s fundraiser burst through the finish line like David Futrelle through the doors of Kentucky Fried Chicken.”

TL;DR: DAviD FuTRelle why you gotta be so mean, are you like on your period or something? Don’t you chicks wear something in your pants to like catch staining and get weird food cravings during that time. Oh yah, diapers and fried chicken, sounds legit.

/s

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

So Jack Barnes thinks that “We have all but eradicated feminism in the US and India.” That’s impressively deluded, unless this is some special MRA usage of “all but”.

John Pavlich (@johnpavlich)

WWTH

Actually this could explain why it’s easy to be an asshole on the internet too.

Brings new meaning to the term, “Information Super Highway”.

Sorry if I’m rambling and not making sense. It’s been a long, tiring and painful week and I’m on hydrocodone.

Actually, that made a frightening amount of total sense.

Ah, Hydrocodone. Hello, old friend. I’ve had wisdom teeth pulled, abscessed teeth, wherein the nerves died a hard, painful death and I’ve had kidney stones, twice. In all cases, I was prescribed hydrocodone. And everything was right with the world. 🙂

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

Also, @Davud Futrelle

Based on my vast experience of stereotypical Mafia threats gleaned from 30 years of watching mobster movies you did indeed threaten Cassie Jaye in your blog. I know this because I printed out your post using different sized fonts, cut out the letters, and pasted those letters into a threatening letter that I smeared with pigs blood and left at Cassie Jaye’s door. QED you threatened Cassie Jaye.

QED.

Stop lying @David Futrelle. It’s unfeminine.

/s

Felix Ray
4 years ago

In the preview to “The Red Pill”, someone alleges that men are being arrested because women break their nails while beating up men. Actually, even though if I consider myself a feminist, if men are being arrested because women break their nails while beating on men, I’m against that. I’m not convinced that this actually happens, but if it does, i want to know about it. It’s not going to make gamergate really about ethics in journalism, and it’s not going to make Paul Elam a non-jackass. Truth or bullshit, a documentary film is only going to change the world so much.

It says a lot about Elam’s mentality that he expects us all to be shitting ourselves in fear over another documentary. These guys are always waiting for the one magical thing that’s going to change everybody’s mind. Their MRA utopia is always right around the corner.

Has Cassie jaye been outsmarted by Paul Elam? I find it hard to believe that ANYONE has EVER been outsmarted by Paul Elam.

There’s no reason to be afraid of the truth. There’s no reason to be afraid of bullshit. There’s no reason to be afraid.

Terrabeau
Terrabeau
4 years ago

In the preview to “The Red Pill”, someone alleges that men are being arrested because women break their nails while beating up men.

That sounds like exactly the sort of accusation some MRA writer first came up with to be facetious, but which then got taken completely seriously by the rest of the MRM because of course they would, these people have completely lost track of what goes on in the real world. I would love to see if they even try and prove it, or if they just run with it. If I know MRAs, they’re going to go ahead and act out the “crime” in a Discovery Channel style recreation.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

…Good thing I keep my nails cut brutally short. Does it count when it’s a 100% consensual beating and never results in anyone being arrested?

The need for evidence proving that all the crappy things he’s done over the years was totally rational and justified, while crowing about it all to the public is strong in Elam. What a wasted life, decades that could have actually been spent on doing things to help men in crisis’, whether from being homeless, DV and other abuse, etc…instead he frittered away his time on being angry/harassing/yodeling on the internet at women.

Myriad
Myriad
4 years ago

Well, this doesn’t surprise me in the least. Since when have MRAs or their ilk ever said anything that coincided with reality?

So them categorizing what David wrote as threat makes about as much sense as them saying their threats are just criticism.

dhag85
4 years ago

Blech! I just realized there are Swedish threads on 4chan in /int/, where they speak 4chanese but with everything translated to Swedish versions. I literally feel sick now that I know this exists.

dhag85
4 years ago

tfw = dkn
tbh = favä
cuck = hanrej

And so on. Yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

David Futrelle, publisher of the online supermarket tabloid We Hunted the Mammoth

That’s rich, given calling AVFM a supermarket tabloid would be overstating their prestige and credibility.

khms
khms
4 years ago

Considering those honest tweets … isn’t that called “doing a Trump” these days?

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“We have all but eradicated feminism in the US and India.”

Feminism hasn’t even really taken off yet in India. Hopefully it will because that country is horrible on women. Speaking from personal experience.

a_mari_usque_ad_mare
a_mari_usque_ad_mare
4 years ago

Homer: From now on, I’m gonna be just like Krusty and tell it like it is. Marge, you’re getting a little fat around the old thighs!

Bart: Dad!

Homer: You too, Bart!

Marge: Oh, knock it off, Homer, you’re the fattest one in the car!

Homer: You didn’t have to tell it like it is, Marge!

Virtually Out of Touch
Virtually Out of Touch
4 years ago

“Any of my U.S. or Indian friends care to correct this ridiculous MRA? pic.twitter.com/JgactHLBRh”

Yeah. So MRAs including Janet Bloomfield castigate feminists for supposedly not not doing anything for women in countries where, as they put it , “women are *really* oppressed” and now they want to get rid of feminism in India of all places?! I wonder which countries in their book count as places where “women are *really* oppressed”?!

Happy Halloween, Desi Ishtyle 🙂

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Virtually, thanks for the Halloween wishes on this and the other thread. :3

I know things have been tense around here as of late, and it’s appreciated.

Patrick Ian McCall
Patrick Ian McCall
4 years ago

Am I the only one mildly disturbed by the image of stained diapers that are crying?
Just sayin’.

Tom
Tom
4 years ago

Funny that they used the word ‘Threatoid’. The original definition of a ‘factoid’ was something that was said or reported often enough to become believed to be true whether it was or not.

Maybe they think if they call it a threat often enough…

Anne
Anne
4 years ago

Freedom of speech is such a wonderful thing: The more the MRAs expose their real methods and “philosophy” the more people will turn away from them. It must be some sort of DIY….??

Ktoryx
Ktoryx
4 years ago

Feminism eliminated from India? Somebody better tell the Gulabi Gang.