UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here.
Dear Cassie Jaye,
Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.
But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.
In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”
And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.
For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.
Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.
They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.
In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.
And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.
And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.
In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”
There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”
You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”
A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.
To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.
And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.
On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”
Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.
And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”
Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)
And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”
https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432
Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that
in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.
Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.
You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.
Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”
You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.
Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,
I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.
But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.
When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.
And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.
Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.
One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.
I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.
Seems like some garbage site might have linked to this blog post.
I’m going to go ahead and issue the name me a non misogynistic prominant MRA challenge. Since these necro trolls seem to be trying the false equivalency tactic.
This article was written shortly after the movie was announced. We have more recent threads about the movie on the site, if you would care to take a look.
“We Hunted the Mammoth” is a joke about dudes who say that “men hunted the mammoth to feed women!” as a way to show that they should be deferred to because they’re men. It’s not a way to say “we hunt men”. Just for clarification.
And no, it’s not too “far-fetched” to believe that a feminist would be sympathetic to men’s issues, because many of us here are, and the guy who writes this blog is, you know, a man.
The idea that no feminist cares about mens’ issues is an outright lie, in my experience. But hey, since we’re not here to kneel before men, that apparently makes us man-haters to a lot of dudes. Who knew?
“I’m not on either side, but you’re BOTH bad people!”
Well, the important thing is you found a way to feel superior to both groups.
Yeah, because it’s not like feminists do actual activism or anything! [/sarcasm]
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but this blog is a catalogue of letting “the other” speak.
David’s been following the manosphere and their blogs and websites for six years now. I daresay that’s quite a lot of “speaking” we’re letting the manosphere do.
Perhaps before you jump to conclusions you should actually read the blog you’re commenting on?
No. And feminists do talk about this. It’s called Toxic Masculinity, and lots of feminists and feminist allies are men and have their own discussions about it, and lots of feminine-presenting feminists also join in and help.
You really need to do some research before you try to reach that hard.
Where are we “turning our backs” on boys who are raped or beaten? Who is saying we do this? Why do you feel like because we don’t outright agree with Elam or a good chunk of the MRM that we just don’t give a shit?
Yes, because “male tears” jokes are totes the same as men telling other men to “man up” when dealing with depression and PTSD. It’s not like women suffer from those things too, and some of those women are feminists who reach out to men as well to help them heal!
Nope, feminists don’t do any of that shit apparently! We’re all just nasty people who hate men, because Erin, in all their assumptions, says so! [/sarcasm]
You could stand to maybe take your own advice and listen to “the others” before you make such massive fucking assumptions.
And some of those women happen to be feminists.
Any post that starts this way I find as believable as a ‘Dear Penthouse’ letter.
Necro circle jerk
Like a condom on a breeze
Before clean up day.
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp32/The_Recreator/Order%20of%20the%20Stick/OotS-Thread-Necromancer-speech.png
Oh, hey, Roger’s back!
I’m liking the Haiku, Ooglyboggles.
It is original, unlike the necrotrollage posts.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/d/d6/Fluttershy_ID_S1E17.png
baww, adorbs.
Now, be quiet everyone, or you’ll scare them away. They’re skittish!
Every time I scroll down the comments on my phone and find myself reading a top notch troll takedown, I always guess it is PI’s work and I’m always right.
You should do it for a job, if one existed.
EDIT:: not to say that other Mammotheers don’t dish out great counter attacks too, though.
@sunny: I wouldn’t want it as a job. I have enough heath problems as it is without worrying about hypertension and skyrocketing blood pressure.
But I do appreciate the sentiment.
Why do “neutral” and “unbiased” posters always feel an urgent need to lecture us on our tone, in their very neutral and unbiased way?
@RiNS the deplorable – I’m sorry for the loss of your friends, and of course coal miners deserve respect and appreciation for their contributions (though it’s high time we transition to cleaner, more sustainable sources of energy). But you do realize that women have also worked in very dangerous occupations, died in childbirth, and sacrificed themselves for the common good in millions of unsung ways? Emphasis on “common”. Men benefit from those light switches just as much as women. I’m having trouble seeing how mining mismanagement, safety shortcuts, and limited benefits are the fault of feminism, or how putting women down would improve your life circumstances in any way (other than bestowing a sort of artificial feeling of superiority, which is not a basic human right and still doesn’t mitigate your economic circumstances.).
MRAs and men who are struggling in the global economy are tilting at the wrong target. It’s late-stage capitalism you need to be critiquing, not women. That, and the outdated version of masculinity that says never admit weakness, screwing over other people is admirable, the guys at the top should have all the power, and it’s unmanly to help out around the house and be emotionally close to your wife and children. There may, just possibly, be a link between those attitudes and the feeling of disposability you’ve experienced.
It’s a movie Buttercup. Just a fucking movie.
Spare me all the platitudes and your green utopia..
Men have always been disposable and still are..
Third wave fembots lump me in with my privilege. I wasn’t born with any and will never have any. The 3rd wave is fatally flawed if it clings to this fucked up view of the world.
Speaking of dangerous jobs, one of the most dangerous is prostitution. Worldwide, 80% of prostitutes are women. Certain classes of women are considered to be very disposable. That’s one reason why serial killers gravitate toward sex workers.
If men have always been disposable, why are you ranting to feminists about it? It’s the men at the top that are/have always been the problem. Yell at them.
Oh, RiNS, you’re just a classic, so I’ll pull out a classic question for trolls: what is your definition of 3rd wave feminism, the kind of feminism that you seem to really, really dislike? Are you cool with the 2nd wave? If so, how would you define that?
Also poor women exist btw.
Ooooh, look at all the new peeps here! This is gonna be fun.
@RiNS the deplorable
If your skin colour was switched to black you would have less privilege. Male privilege is a thing that exists. So is white privilege. You have failed to debunk yours or anyone else’s with that teal deer of yours. Put some fucking effort into it, will you? You seem to have had a soft life when it comes to debates. All that ends here. Put up or shut up, punk.
Also:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Whelp I can dot “two dot ellipses”, “men are disposable (and it’s all women’s fault)”, and “blatantly refuses to respond to another person’s points” on my troll bingo card. Anyone else keeping track?
Edit: I almost forgot “First World Problems”, since there was a variation of that with “It’s just a movie”
@RiNS the deplorable
“It’s just a movie, nevermind I just said with my necropolis of a troupe that this movie held some mystical value like the silver bullet to VILE FEMINISM.”
“I don’t have anything wrong with feminism, IT’s those third wave harpies and gorgons that I have quarrel with.”
Whose is to blame here
For men being tossed aside?
Rich powerful men?
Nah it couldn’t be
My mens wouldn’t ever do that
It’s not possible
Oh the inspiration is flowing like a spring creek.
@PI
Toss in “muh neutrality” and “misappropriating pepe”, we’re so close to a bingo.
Feminism in it’s current form is vile..
@ RiNS
‘Privilege’ can be a confusing word if you’re not used to how it’s used in relation to social justice matters. It’s important to distingush between ‘being privileged’ and ‘having privilege’. It’s the latter meaning that feminists use; no one is suggesting you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or anything like that.
There’s an excercise I find handy.
Whenever someone refers to “(x) privilege” replace the sentence with “Generally speaking you’re better off being (x) as opposed to not(x).
It’s a bit clumsy, which is possibly why privilege became shorthand, but I think it can help. See what you think.
Deplorable,
Why are you lying to us? You aren’t new to MRAs. You aren’t neutral. You came here to be an asshole to women and allies of women and you know it. Now, you’re gonna get your ass handed to you and I’m gonna sit here and laugh at you while you do.
Deplorable,
Liars and misigynists like you are vile. See yourself out, douchewaffle.
Apparently RiNS thinks privilege is where you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth and never face hardship. They’re so blind to their own privilege they have no idea what the world is like for everyone else.