UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here.
Dear Cassie Jaye,
Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.
But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.
In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”
And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.
For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.
Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.
They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.
In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.
And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.
And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.
In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”
There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”
You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”
A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.
To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.
And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.
On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”
Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.
And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”
Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)
And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”
https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432
Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that
in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.
Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.
You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.
Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”
You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.
Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,
I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.
But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.
When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.
And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.
Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.
One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.
I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.
@dslucia
Yeah. I went through a bunch of major traumas prior to college, and a few more at college, and I’m putting things back together after college.
It was enough of a “life punch” to completely knock me out of college in general. Sometimes horrible things happen to young folks as well. Most people’s lives are hard in their own ways.
Shitman.
Shiiiit, man.
You full of shit, man.
lol
Gravity does not exist! That’s NOT what holds me to the earths ground. I refuse to believe it!!! Show me evidence! All physics theories are just that! THEORIES. Gravity is like patriarchy! I refuse its existence.
Shit man,
WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT A SHITBAG YOU ARE. We get it! You don’t need to keep convincing us of that. I mean, what a way to keep on fucking that chicken. I mean, how many screeds of shit laden MRA rhetoric are you gonna vomit?
So we know. We know. You’ve convinced us. You are an asswaffle.
No need to keep on shouting.
Its ok.
We know.
We know.
http://blogs.r.ftdata.co.uk/beyond-brics/files/2012/09/goalposts.jpg
[Image desc. Moving goalposts]
And some of us called it way back when he was first posting. He was sooooo shocked and offending. Now he’s proving us all right.
I suspect part of it is that he knows he lost the argument and is unwilling to concede or just stop posting. So he’s trying to get banned. That way he can claim we were just afraid of his truth bombs. But it’s pretty clear that he also gets off on the thought that he might be intimidating us and that is classic abuser.
I shouldn’t do discord. He’s my favorite and I ran into trouble posting as Pinkie Pie early on. Too unrestrained a personality in some ways to represent myself as. I should post as someone I’ve never posted as before.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140619070350/maditsmadfunny/images/thumb/d/dd/Discord.png/500px-Discord.png
@Shapman
To be fair, u might not know how much being a dick to anyone who was even slightly different to you, was being a dick o everyone who was even slightly different to u.
You might not realise it, but you’re him.
You’re Leonard’s bully.
PeeVee,
This reminds me of Shappy too
I’m going to take cornychips’ suggestion to ban Shapman for the “bet some of you broads get punched for being mouthy” line (I’m paraphrasing here) and for general douchebaggery.
Also, in response to this from mr s:
I do zero search engine optimization stuff. I don’t know how to “bid on phrases.” Most of the search engine traffic I get is pretty low quality judging from the ridiculous things people coming here from search engines are searching for. I promote on social media, though I’ve never done a paid campaign. The best way I’ve found to generate traffic is to put out timely posts on things within the site’s purview that people are interested in reading about. Of course I don’t always know what people will be interested in reading about in advance. So mostly I write about what I think (and what I think my regular readers will think) is interesting stuff and hope that traffic will take care of itself.
Yes, I like traffic and want traffic but I don’t obsess about it. And I’d much rather get it from feminists than MRA types.
He should go the seagull guy route and have an epic meltdown. His is in slow-motion, and boring.
Oh Shapman if you do get banned I’m still doing it. I just wanted to be clear about that.
Also now that I have calmed down somewhat. Look guey. I am half-Mexican and half-Cuban. Comparing me to a chicken is no insult. Those things are fierce. They are winged demons of the dawn. They are feathered angry delicious terrors. We literally made a short film about a chicken destroying a giant Mecha-Trump that was trying to force Mexico to pay for the wall. I may be American now but you are going to have to try harder then chicken to offend me. Maybe Squab? Slanderous Pigeon? Neh….will brain storm it and get back to you.
Edit: On and banned. I guess I will have to come up with one without him.
@IgnoreSandra:
I know it seems like a relatively small thing in comparison to the blinding amounts of ignorance and barely-restrained violence he’s consistently displayed since he popped back up here, but minimizing the effect trauma can have on young people is just… not something a good person should do. Trauma doesn’t care about age, and the world doesn’t have an arbitrary age filter on it that protects people from trauma until they’ve reached a certain age.
Pom,
I’m 25 – should be that i am good with computers? But this mammoth is smart! He tricks me every time….
Does anyone else hope that Shapman’s ex wife catches wind of his trolling and comes to tell her side of the story?
It’s not completely impossible. Both Mark Minter’s ex wife and current wife have posted here. Bill Price’s wife has posted here. Mikey the “directly on the beach!” troll’s girlfriend posted here.
I’d be curious to see if her experience with him lined up with our impressions and I’m sure that there’s a lot he’s not telling us.
Actually that was not quite accurate. Discord is my favorite to represent myself as, but Fluttershy is my favorite overall.
The banning is probably for the best. He did cross the line. Bets on John coming back, continuing to tone police us and not acknowledging that it was one of the antifeminist trolls who was being outright inappropriate and gross?
I don’t think it even goes far enough to say that young people can experience trauma too. I think young people are more likely to experience. Child sexual abuse is horrifyingly common. As is other kinds of child abuse. Bullying is common. Young women are more likely to be raped than middle aged or older women. Young men can face brutal hazing in fraternities and sports teams and that can include sexual assault. The younger you are, the harder it is to escape dangerous living situations and young people get more peer pressure and are more vulnerable to coercion.
But Shappy had a cushy life until his ex had the temerity to divorce him. So he assumes that this is how everyone else’s life is.
That’s gonna sting if Shapman can’t be here. I’ll try to think about the ethics of enjoying and hating that in constructing my criticism.
Well, that escalated slowly, tediously and incredibly predictably. Excellent troll baiting everyone, even if the meltdown was somewhat lacklustre.
@DanHolme:
Yes. But I can’t find a Blu-Ray rip of it for love or money, for some silly reason. Even though some much older films are easy to find.
@JS
In fairness, that might be because Google is now forcing left-wing sites down in the listings so they don’t occur in the first five pages, as reported recently at Counterpunch:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/09/google-censors-block-access-to-counterpunch-and-other-progressive-sites/
Ironically, the claimed reason is to curb the popularity of “fake news”, even though by far the most (and worst) “fake news” comes from the fringe right, not the moderate left!
@Sinister Pigeon
And yeah, foreign policy needs work. But you need to admit that an American who felt legitimate fear has a sympathetic reason to wish the same doom they are facing on the people who inflicted it on them right? No deflecting there Jedi. Focus on your point and once we are done we can deal with people dying overseas. Right now we are talking about your supposed lack of civility of people who publicly wished unemployment and lack of insurance on people who helped trump get elected.
I put this link here before,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html
It’s a sample of women giving their reasons for voting for Trump. Look at it, you’ll see their not fascists, and they don’t wish you any harm. Their average people, who can be won over. If you want to stop Trump being re-elected in 2020 these are the people, together with their male equivalents, you need to convince. You can keep wishing them harm if you wish, depends on whether you want to do your bit to stop trump.
I ran a search for “red pill movie controversy” in DuckDuckGo and didn’t get a WHTM hit at all. Eventually DDG stopped giving me hits and WHTM never came up.
I don’t know what Google is doing, but I think “in fairness” we can’t blame it for this page’s search results.
Wonder what those women think of Trump’s tenure now?
This was written before he was inaugurated.
Their
From non English speaker here it is ‘they’re’. Secondly ‘average’ people allow horrible, terrible things to happen. This is no reason.