UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here.
Dear Cassie Jaye,
Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.
But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.
In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”
And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.
For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.
Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.
They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.
In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.
And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.
And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.
In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”
There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”
You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”
A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.
To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.
And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.
On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”
Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.
And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”
Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)
And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”
https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432
Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that
in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.
Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.
You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.
Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”
You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.
Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,
I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.
But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.
When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.
And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.
Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.
One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.
I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.
(but according to John, David has “no proof” that anyone wasn’t guilty)
Continue ignoring people if you want, but there’s plenty of evidence from other sources that “registering accusers” is a bad idea in general.
You’re just being dense now. “Please show me proof from a website that doesn’t exist anymore, that a website that doesn’t exist anymore was a bad website that doesn’t exist anymore.”
Also, congratulations on moving the goalposts again, though in this case, we might be back to where we started.
With all this goalpost moving, all we have to do is stand still and score points as they zoom past.
WWTH, oh yeah! I forgot that it wasn’t a real commercial!
But of course, “October should be Bash A Violent Bitch Month” was ‘satire’, right?
@Valentine
Truth, and you are not to blame. I have remind people about untested rape kits. I pedophile pizza parlors sound hollow when they make excuses for the Vatican. There is much to shame.
@Valentine I have no words to help make what you went through ok and I still suck at linking images or I would put cute animals but I wish you all the hugs and frosting (or other delicious food) you desire.
@Valentine
You’re not stupid. It’s a completely understandable reaction when a whole culture is telling you that you should feel guilty, that you did something wrong, that men can’t be raped. You’re intelligent.
@Sinister Pigeon, this is the closest I could find…
http://i.imgur.com/e5U85cI.jpg
And Valentine, you are welcome here. Don’t forget that.
I’ve appreciated your posts, and your ideas.
I have been posting from the site, not from email
Heres a real neuroscientist whos spent much of her career studying sex differences….Debra W Soh….Shes just written a big defence of the Google guys circular, along with 4 other top scientists in the field.
@Valentine
You are not dumb. You managed to see a culture that bullies and silences victims and know that it’s all wrong. The threads and us are always here if you ever need us.
Jerry… we’ve seen that already (quillette should ring a bell with anyone paying any attention to this argument), probably pages ago, and probably from you posting it.
It’s not that big of a defense, because as usual, you ignore WHO he was sending this memo to, and literal decades of equal employment laws passed by Republicans and Democrats. Besides, we’ve got another thread for discussing the google Guy, as you should know by now.
ETA: Check your system clock, get a real browser, and if you must post, post in the right thread. Preferably just stop posting drivel we’ve all seen multiple times before.
You think you’re scoring points in a “debate”, but that’s not what you’re doing, and you likely know this by now.
@Jerry
It’s. Not. Up. For. Debate.
Jerry, Dr. Daphna Joel IS a real neuroscientist.
Knock your bullshit off, and pick a lane to drive in; your constant deflection is fucking boring.
@Jerry Tell you what Jerry. In all seriousness let me feed you some help. You clearly are super torn up about google guy. There is a way you can help. Instead of arguing with us, write up your state senators and Gov and argue against at will employment laws. While those laws exist, google can always fire google bro without giving any reason. None of the things you value can ever be defended while these laws are on the books and very few states have any real fire-at-will exemptions. The best way for you to serve your stated cause, if this is actually your goal, is to fight to combat these laws.
If you are here in any semblance of good faith I am sure we can look forward to your citizen campaigning against it.
But lets be honest you are probably going to play neuroscience bingo instead.
If she wrote a defense of a misogynist, she’s clearly not very good in her field.
Something about “ignoring blatantly obvious truths” just strikes me as bad for a scientist, I dunno why.
Valentine, I want to add my support as well. You did nothing wrong to cause the assault, and you did nothing wrong in how you reacted to it. We live in a culture of victim-blaming and it’s hard not to get pulled in by that “logic.”
Jerry, I don’t know what you’re doing to have your posts show up out of sequence, but whatever it is, please stop it. Try loading the latest page of comments from scratch before commenting.
Everyone:
So there’s been some talk of banning certain trolls for tediousness or for other reasons. I’m a little reluctant to do that with so many people still taking part in the discussion but if a bunch of you agree that one or more of the current trolls needs a ban or a time-out, let me know either here or in email and I’ll do a ban for ya.
Thank you so much David and everyone. Honestly, I shared to make my example – i didn’t expect this reaction. Thank you! )) Recently i become more confident in my life and start to think about this and other things, and think maybe not all things are my fault? i am so glad for this website, you helped me with many things i would never know if i didn’t read on here. For example, now i know what is ‘invasive thoughts’.
And honestly, Gollum is better than cute animals. ?
Hugs, Valentine.
The fact that other men refused to help you is appalling. Our gender needs to do better in so many ways.
EJ,
It happen when i was on board, men who are there are supermacho and because was another man and because i behave sometimes ‘feminine’ – simply there was too much bullshit. German Captain spreading rumours about me and talking bad to the other guy that i am lying. Or saying because of how i behave it is my fault if it really happen.
On land i think maybe would be different.
Hang on. Debra W Soh?
Dr Debra W Soh, the Playboy columnist? The one who’s spent the last few years writing about how transwomen aren’t real women and young trans people shouldn’t receive clinical help, that Debra W Soh?
The Debra W Soh who is increasingly out of step with her own field, and has been writing articles about how she’s under attack by leftists and feminists? The Debra W Soh who spends more time writing newspaper articles for anyone who’ll publish them than she spends writing actual papers, that Debra W Soh? The Debra W Soh who Roosh Valizadeh urged people to support? The Debra W Soh who’s proving that you can drift straight from being a TERF to being an alt-righter, that Debra W Soh?
Yeah, I know of her. I’m wondering how you know of her, and more importantly why you resort to her as your authoritative source. That’s something of an indication as to where you get your news.
Also:
I am a cishet white scientist-dude who studies stars. To anyone who believes that cishet white STEM guys are going to save the world, I am basically your god.
As your god, I would take it as a personal favour if all y’all would please kindly shut the everlasting fuck up about Galileo. That shit is a whole lot more complex than you realise; presenting him as a fearless visionary who got shouted down by an fearful society is a pretty ignorant thing to do.
Thank you. That is all.
I need help in the white knight thread.
@EJ
I was hoping you’d see the Galileo B.S.
@Valentine
Wow, it was on the ship? That’s even worse! If you can’t trust people in a situation where you’re trapped together for long stretches and where you need to depend on one another if you encounter rough waters, that can’t be easy.
@kupo yes it was complicated. I only ask for help because i am afraid of this other guy. I don’t know what he can do. Next time i will not tell anyone.