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An Open Letter to Cassie Jaye, director of The Red Pill

Paul Elam: Subject of, and fundraiser for, Cassie Jaye's The Red Pill, in a shot from a preview of the film
Paul Elam: Subject of, and fundraiser for, Cassie Jaye’s The Red Pill, in a shot from a preview of the documentary

UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here

Dear Cassie Jaye,

Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.

But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.

In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”

And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.

For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.

Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.

They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.

In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.

And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.

And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.

In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”

There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”

You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”

A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.

To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.

And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.

On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”

Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.

And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”

Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)

And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”

https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432

Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that

in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.

Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.

You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.

Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”

You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.

Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,

I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.

But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.

When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.

And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.

Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.

One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.

I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.

PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.

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Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
7 years ago

@POM OT but I actually got to meet Armin Shimmerman at a con this last month and I have to say he is one of the nicest, sweetest and least Quark-like individuals I know. Like I was fanboying so hard. It was a slow day so we talked for like 7 mins on social justice, Star Trek, being a minority writer and self publishing. Going to make it hard to hate Quark next time I re-watch the series.

Edit for your response: Oh I know this. But he keeps blathering on about Bernie and Hillary and the vote so I threw him a hypothetical like 4 pages back to see if he can demonstrate even the most basic understanding of the American electoral system and politics. Basically cast a vote as if you were a Floridian from the ballot I had available to me and explain what your vote did. I want to see how he would have approached it. (Or how long he can limbo around the question)

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Jerry, John, Shapman. I want to know why you want them to do your political work? You want something. You came here.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

playing chess with an actual pigeon.

BF Skinner did work for the US military on pigeon navigated cruise missiles. Pigeons were trained to peck a picture of a warship to get food. Then they put them in the nosecones of missiles with a little window at the front and a system that used the pecks to adjust the missile fins.

Not sure that’s particularly relevant, but it’s interesting (for a certain value of ‘interesting’.)
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Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

@Sinister Pigeon

You know, I’ve heard that from more than just you. The guy is apparently just awesome to everyone.

I want to see how he would have approached it. (Or how long he can limbo around the question)

He’s been limboing around his fuckup with the civil rights nonsense for days now. I’m not going to stop bringing it up but I am sure he is just not reading anything I write at this point so it’s more for the lurkers.

Imperator Kahlo
Imperator Kahlo
7 years ago

So the conversation has moved on, but I’m still stuck being horrified at this from Shapman.

I have two kids – one male and one female – and I do not give them mixed messages on gender violence. I tell them if you strike another individual YOU MAY encounter someone who strikes back. I tell them this may not be the right response by that person but you should have that in your mind before you strike anyone. The message I seem to be getting today is that because men are physically stronger in general that they should just take the slap, punch or whack with an object from any female. With the whole empowerment of women we have forgotten about common sense and prevention.

WT-actual-fuck? If they strike somebody that somebody may not make the right response by striking them back? Why the fuck aren’t you telling your kids they should just never hit people? A+ parenting there, Shapman, really.

Regarding male victims of IPV, many women’s shelters here in Australia provide motel vouchers to men who need a safe place and can’t stay at the shelter. If that is not the case where you are, I’m sure both feminist and anti-IPV groups would support your campaign to provide such resources! Best hop to it!

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

The aggression is in the persistence despite negative feelings. It’s about dominance because you just cannot let them have the last reply.

Eventully you will be banned as no comminity accepts this forever. As a man
don’t see how this solves avyrhing. I am not impressed.

kupo
kupo
7 years ago

[Google] needs the best guys who are typically Jewish males, or Asian males.

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Here, let me fix that for you.

[Google] needs wants the best guys employees, who are typically Jewish males, or Asian males. which is why their interview is generally considered one of the most difficult to pass, if not the singularly most difficult, and everyone who passes it and gets hired is damn good and shouldn’t have their qualifications questioned based on some arbitrary quality like gender which had absolutely nothing to do with their ability.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Oh yeah. Tell me why you are here in 25 words or less. This is about reputation. How do you want to be rembered?

I’m dead serious. I smell bullshit too.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Sarcasm is about social conflict Jerry.

That just tells me what Elam fears, angers, sueprises or disgusts him. That is ammunition Jerry. Unless you can tell me why the hidden mockery was justified.

Valentine
Valentine
7 years ago

(I am sure that every women who leans on the battered wife defence has been abused just like every woman who claims sexual assault has been raped, right? wait here comes the figurative knives again because I dared make a claim that some women lie about abuse just as some men who are abusive lie that they are not).

O fuck now i must to say something.

No one cares about people when they lie about abuse. You know why Shapman? Cos no one even cares when people TELL THE TRUTH.

Before you say, oh Valentine is the name for a girl, i am a man, my name is Valentyn. And when i got assaulted, i was betray by people i thought would help me. They blame me and say i did a wrong thing and for all years since then (was in 2014) i feel guilty. I can’t be satisfied with what happen, because i feel guilty when i think and can’t tell fully what happen to anyone because im afraid they will also agree i did a wrong thing and it is my fualt.

You talk about this people lying like it is something important, but when people don’t even believe when you tell the truth, maybe we need to talk about that first. Дебил блять.

John Devalle
John Devalle
7 years ago

I’d described Dr Farrell as reasonable on the basis of a talk by him I saw on Youtube. I wasn’t then aware of the view he’d expressed of rape and incest, now I do I think they are bizarre, incomprehensible, even sick. Don’t agree with him.

kupo
kupo
7 years ago

@Valentine
<3 You did nothing wrong. It was not your fault. Nothing you could have ever done would call for that. Never.

John Devalle
John Devalle
7 years ago

@WWTH

I believe he was summarizing, not directly quoting.

In any case, one would expect a documentary filmmaker covering a controversial subject would do a little research into their

Paul said Register Her named women who had publicly admitted to making a false accusation or had been convicted in court, and Cassie observed that paedophiles are identified online. David refers to ‘alleged’ offenders but doesn’t give one example of a woman who was named as not being guilty. I can’t check as the site no longer exists, but I’d expect David to back up what he claims. And just a reminder that I don’t approve of ‘name and shame’ sites.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

John is really the epitome of privilege on display, isn’t he? He fully admits that he’s been spouting off about things that he knows nothing about. I can’t imagine that this is the only time he’s acted this way. He probably goes on about subjects that he isn’t informed on all the time. Yet he still expects to be taken seriously. And he probably is. That’s why he’s so gobsmacked that no one here is entertaining his ill informed bloviations.

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Meanwhile, those of us who aren’t mediocre white men struggle to be taken seriously even when we do know what we’re talking about. It must be nice to have your every opinion listened to even when you’re full of shit. I’d love for a Freaky Friday type body swap to happen to these guys. See how it feels to not be granted so much unearned praise for uninformed opinions.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
7 years ago

@Valentine
*much hugs*

You talk about this people lying like it is something important, but when people don’t even believe when you tell the truth, maybe we need to talk about that first

^THIS
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/967/610/d7e.gif

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

Valentine,

It was never, ever your fault. Ever.

I am so sorry yo had to go through that.

((((((((((Hugs))))))))))

John Devalle
John Devalle
7 years ago

@Sinister Pigeon

You know I can’t understand it either? If someone voted for someone who promised to enact policies that would LITERALLY KILL ME (I know at least 2 friends who would be actually dead this year if not for Obamacare and in the first case also gay marriage) It would be entirely mean of me to wish that the consequences of that stupid, reckless, hateful decision would hit the person who made them too.

Also John feet to the fire. You never told me your 2016 vote. Show us what your political wisdom would do. Clinton, Trump, Stein, Johnson or write in and what you think it will do. Show us how clever you are John and stop dancing around those goalposts

I’ve said before I’m a Brit. If I were American I’d have voted for Bernie in the primaries, and not voted in the election.
A consequence of Clinton becoming president would be to merely delay Trump or someone like him entering the White House. Take your point about Obamacare, but don’t forget that even during his time as president, and Clinton’s a Secretary of State, America was killing people in numbers in the middle east. Britain, and France, I know, where, and are, equally guilty.

Valentine
Valentine
7 years ago

Thank you kupo ))))<3 i only recently learn that maybe i am wrong to feel guilty. I am little bit stupid to let 3 years pass like this.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

John Devalle,

I have told you before to go learn about some of the people you’re defending. You are really quite ignorant of the things you’re trying to comment about.

F’rex, Elam.

Here’s an excerpt from one of his “greatest hits”

(CW: rape)

“But are these women asking to get raped? In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.

They are freaking begging for it. Damn near demanding it.

And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING bitch – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.”

If this shit doesn’t set off your “whoa, misogynistic” alarms, you’re not nearly as logically rational as you fancy yourself to be.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

How the fuck does Katherine Heigel deserve to be on RegisterHer for a goddamned commercial, John?

You.
Don’t.
Know.
What.
You’re.
Talking.
About.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Can we have a troll challenge where John is only allowed to talk about Cassie Jaye, The Red Pill and manospherians that she gave favorable coverage to? Plus he has to add a cute animal gif to all his posts?

Because I’m pretty much done trying to explain US politics to him. I wouldn’t mind explaining if he was actually demonstrating that he listened to our explanations, but at this point, I think my cat’s more interested in becoming a vegetarian than John is interested in learning anything about anything.

Valentine
Valentine
7 years ago

Also thank you axe, PV and WWTH (i love that cat and dog hug!)

I know it was not most serious of all assalt but because i tried to ask for help and then they betray and blame me, this become a big problem for me.

Which is why this asshole saying about lies is disgusting. This ideas that everyone lying means victims cannot feel satisfaction.

Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
7 years ago

@John Ah thank you for finally answering, though of course I have said it was a hypothetical twice now. So you would have voted for trump (Essentially the case in American Politics) because we were going to have a trump eventually after having a centrist corporate democrat.

This means you have swung the courts rightward for decades, given up a supreme court seat which can have lasting repercussions for far longer and left a treaty which will have lasting consequences for my literal house in 20 years. Looks like we could have used the delay? Maybe the delay would have given the progressive wing a chance to gather their strength, to pressure the centrist, to use political capital from the victory to force change? Instead each day the ruling party does everything they can to go backwards and has been succeeding reasonably well despite their incompetence. Had you voted here you would have been responsible for this. Thankfully you can’t vote here because even with all the data and hindsight you still make the wrong choice for your purported values.

And yeah, foreign policy needs work. But you need to admit that an American who felt legitimate fear has a sympathetic reason to wish the same doom they are facing on the people who inflicted it on them right? No deflecting there Jedi. Focus on your point and once we are done we can deal with people dying overseas. Right now we are talking about your supposed lack of civility of people who publicly wished unemployment and lack of insurance on people who helped trump get elected.

You know in case you forgot where you were.

Edit: Or go back to your original point. Honestly pick a point and defend it. Your choice. Cassie, Bernie, Pineapples on Pizza. I don’t care. Pick a point and defend it. Cthulu below, tabletop war-gaming against you must be either a nightmare or breeze as you refuse to commit to a single point on the map.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

PeeVee,

And it wasn’t even a real commercial! It was joke commercial for Funny or Die or College Humor or one something.

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