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An Open Letter to Cassie Jaye, director of The Red Pill

Paul Elam: Subject of, and fundraiser for, Cassie Jaye's The Red Pill, in a shot from a preview of the film
Paul Elam: Subject of, and fundraiser for, Cassie Jaye’s The Red Pill, in a shot from a preview of the documentary

UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here

Dear Cassie Jaye,

Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.

But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.

In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”

And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.

For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.

Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.

They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.

In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.

And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.

And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.

In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”

There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”

You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”

A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.

To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.

And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.

On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”

Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.

And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”

Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)

And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”

https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432

Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that

in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.

Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.

You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.

Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”

You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.

Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,

I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.

But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.

When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.

And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.

Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.

One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.

I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.

PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.

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Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
7 years ago

When I was a kid in Europe people asked how the insanity of the 30’s could have happened…This is how.

Oh my gosh, guys. I can’t wait to hear the Real Reason For Wor –

Ugh, I can’t sarc about that, because there are huge gobs of people that are literally starting to believe it was libruls running rampant with PC culture that started it off. With HBD being the modern stand-in for phrenology, “Libruls” for commies (sort of), and the past golden age is the Enlightenment and not the Roman Empire.

The argument Jerry is making is literally “I am so dead set against the thought that there might be an equality problem here, I will support fascism.” And blames us for it.

Vive le Maquis.

As for

Googleman was fired, free speech is under assault!

You’re an idiot.

I mean, I know you’re doing this because “lol I’m winding up the fembots look how mad they’re getting” but you still actually believe the things you say. Trolls just use the whole “just doing it for the luls” excuse to make themselves feel better about what they’re doing, that’s all. You can’t lie about your beliefs for long before they actually become your beliefs.

And those beliefs are stupid. I’m not gonna tell you why, because you’re going to ignore me anyways, because you ignore anything that chisels away your position.

And that’s why no one debates you. Because you don’t know how to debate. Because you don’t know how to change your mind.

@Brony, still working on your stuff! I’ll reply here, since this seems to be The Eternal Thread.

Malitia
Malitia
7 years ago

I think I know what I’ll read next:
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(Yes. This is a real book. First rule of cozy mysteries: There is no setup too cheesy, or pun too terrible.)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

This is why males push the limits of what is possible but women say it cant be done…Males say watch us do it.

Oh, my SIDES. Can’t. Stop. Laughing.

A) Nobody screams “no” more often, or more melodramatically, than reactionary guys. Try casting women as Ghostbusters, or diversifying STEM industries, or suggesting that thin and young isn’t the be-all and end-all of beauty standards. Nothing stirs up broflakes like the merest hint that social limits might benefit from being broadened. How many thousands and thousands of Reddit, Yahoo, and 4chan sad-boner screeds are there now with the general theme of “Feminism is ruining civilization” and “Every time a woman majors in computer science and gets a tattoo, it makes evolution cry”?

B) “Hold my beer” rarely leads to world-changing innovations.

C) There’s a thousand-mile-wide line between a cool rebel disrupter and an idiot who doesn’t understand the purpose of punctuation.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Even a short haircut on a woman is too unbearably radical for these dudes. A short haircut that’s died pink, blue or green?

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

Every time a woman majors in computer science and gets a tattoo

Cool! With a law degree they just give you a certificate.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
7 years ago

This is why males push the limits of what is possible but women say it cant be done…Males say watch us do it.

alt:

“You can’t tell me what to do, mom!

Gimme that list of women who told men “you can’t do it!” though. Go ahead, if it’s so common then pile on in.

Meanwhile, in the real world, women are expected to be quiet, gentle supporters who help men accomplish the things they’re trying, no matter how stupid it is. Anotre chose qu’vous avez complètement à l’envers, quelle suprise!

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Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
7 years ago

Ce thread est maitenant la poutine

http://www.labanquise.com/en/images/poutine1.png

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
7 years ago

POUTINE!!!

Scildfreya I am so full of burrito and now all I want are cheese curds.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

I’m sure your participation award is in the mail for your bold, brave stance on furthering the six-dot ellipses, Jerry.

Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
Sinister Pigeon: Sombrero Golem
7 years ago

Jerry has been away from this site for more then an hour. But can he stay away for a week? IT CAN’T BE DONE! All the womens are saying it Jerry! They doubt your male determination. Prove them wrong Jerry! Tell them “Watch me do it” and stay away for longer then anyone could have possibly imagined. Don’t let your memes be dreams Jerry! Show them what mens are made of!

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
7 years ago

@Rhuu – apparently an illiterati

Scildfreya I am so full of burrito and now all I want are cheese curds.

http://www.mtlblog.com/uploads/208252_62b95a929c7854c7bc9e4b9e21c8846fa01fce67.jpg

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
7 years ago

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If you’re ever near a Bannock, try it try it try it. (Split it with like four people though)

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
7 years ago

whimper

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
7 years ago

Hee! David ran into something that is very applicable to our conversation on the delightful Dr Daphna Joel. Do pay attention, Jerry:

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Brains! Not sexually dimorphic! Says every neuroscientist!

Sure looks like Dr Joel’s super-biased ultrafemme research hit squad has a wide reach, huh? Almost like they’re doing actual robust science or something! Shocking!

tee hee :3

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
7 years ago

I take hope in the knowledge that I live in a world where poutine pizza is a thing.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

@Alan

Cool! With a law degree they just give you a certificate.

Oops, I think I meant to type “or” there. ? Conjunction junction, what’s your function? ?

Hey, here’s a study for ya, Jerry. Pull requests get approved at a higher rate for female coders on GitHub – but only if the coders hide their gender:

https://peerj.com/articles/cs-111/

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Scildfreja
We can take the thread and make what we want with it.

I hope it’s not too onerous. I hate how expressively disorganized I get. I think I’ve figured out that whatever the patterns that I’m picking up on are, they appear as communication is occuring. It’s just that articulating them is really really hard in ways I’m still figuring out. This makes sense as it’s about in the moment impulses, and introspection about them.

 

But eventually I’m going over the same impressions and without more communication there is may be nothing new (or nothing new without more effort than necessary). Too often when I try to ask for advice things kind of “fall apart”. I know there is something in there I can use but I think I’m at the point where I implicitly need communication. It does not help that I’m still asocial, but I have a therapist now. Either way I value your opinion when it comes to these things, I’m trying to be reasonable about it.

dr. ej
dr. ej
7 years ago

@Alan

Cool! With a law degree they just give you a certificate.

I’m actually The other way round. I got my tattoo to celebrate when I finished my degree, but I haven’t gotten my diploma yet. I finished too late to be included in the fall graduation ceremony and I wasn’t able to attend the ceremony last month, so I’m stuck waiting for it to come through the mail.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

dr. ej,

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

??????????

https://youtube/Kw-_Ew5bVxs

Viscaria the Cheese Hog
Viscaria the Cheese Hog
7 years ago

@Malitia, I can’t believe that book is subtitled “Something stitched this way comes.” That is beautiful.

@Poutine discussion: My lactose-intolerant digestive system would be in painful knots for a week if I ate poutine pizza, but my traitorous, cheese-loving heart wants it all the same.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

Bad link, sorry.

https://youtu.be/Kw-_Ew5bVxs

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
7 years ago

@dr. ej: Wait, I think I remember your tattoo… Wasn’t it a picture of DNA from Rosalind Franklin? Or is that another cool tattoo that someone else has?

(Also I now know who Rosalind Franklin is, so that’s pretty cool.)

JS
JS
7 years ago

Reminds me of what happened at one of my graduations… I swear the keyboardist forgot how to stop playing Pomp & Circumstance. We’d all gotten finished going across (after 2 hours+), and the music played on and on. I think the poor musician’s hands got stuck in the same rhythm while his brain zoned out.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

@ Buttercup & dr ej

I got my tattoo to celebrate

You’ve got some really cool science in-joke If I recall correctly (probably not, lot of blows to the head).

It would be fantastic though if they did award tattoos when you graduated. Special exclusive ones, like they have in prison gangs. Would also be handy in job interviews, save all that paperwork.

ETA: Ah possibly ninja’d by rhuu. Is it the double helix photo?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
7 years ago

When I applied to do that M.Litt I had to provide proof I’m a barrister. So I emailed the Bar Council. They replied that they would send me a ‘certificate of good standing’. But then they said I’d have to pay 120 quid before they’d post it. So I tried to get away with just the email response.

“But they’ve admitted I’m entitled to one!”

They weren’t having it. Blooming academic scams.

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