UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here.
Dear Cassie Jaye,
Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.
But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.
In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”
And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.
For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.
Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.
They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.
In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.
And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.
And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.
In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”
There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”
You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”
A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.
To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.
And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.
On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”
Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.
And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”
Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)
And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”
https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432
Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that
in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.
Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.
You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.
Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”
You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.
Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,
I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.
But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.
When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.
And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.
Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.
One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.
I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.
Aww, the broflake is melting.
@Policy of Madness
Not voting is the same as a vote for Trump,
Maybe, but Clinton. like Trump. is a professional criminal and traitor. It’s the likes of her that gave Trump the opportunity for his power grab. And I could never vote for someone who bears so much guilt for mass murder in Iraq and Pakistan.
Bullshit. Your OP was substantially replied to and rebutted, and instead of addressing their replies, you said:
You started this whole ball of wax by acting like a self-righteous prig, so you hardly get to play victim of your own perfidy.
Jesus Christ, broflake. If you were any more transparent, we could build a frame around you and use you as a window.
“Abuse.” Oh, honey.
And he would have lost in the general because it takes a lot of money to win a presidential election in the US. A lot. Which leads back to that excerpt I posted. Only someone privileged enough to not be affected by right wing policies would demand a candidate be so ideologically pure that they are guaranteed to lose within the system that is currently in place.
Like POM said, staying home is effectively a vote for the GOP because Democrats can only win if turnout is high. Do you think any progressive goal can be accomplished under a Trump White House. Nope! The only way any progressive legislation will pass between now and 2021 is if the Dems get a veto majority in both houses of congress in the 2018 elections. It’s highly unlikely to happen because of the gerrymandering that Republicans have already done. Any judges appointed by Trump are guaranteed to further erode voter rights and make participation harder.
You either have no idea what you’re talking about when you discuss US politics or you just don’t care if marginalized people are harmed while we wait for the revolution. So you’d do well to stop splaining US politics to us. It’s not a good look.
Where you’re still posting, broflake.
Misogyny and religious tolerance all wrapped up in one! John sure is doing a good job of taking the high road and being the adult in the room!
John, if getting debated under the table and being made to look like a fool is fun for you, you can always go to a domme. That way you won’t get your wank stains all over our nice comment section.
John, if you don’t give a fuck what we think, why were you so outraged that we didn’t roll out the red carpet for your false equivalency laden concern trolling? Why have you come back every single day to complain about how we didn’t offer you sandwiches, blowjobs, and praise for your tired and mediocre bloviations?
What are you the ellipse police? ..Trump pushed the boundries on the comb over…The double had been done but he was the first to do the triple with a swirl…as with me the 3 dot ellipse had been done so I went for the six…This is why males push the limits of what is possible but women say it cant be done…Males say watch us do it.
Surviving a couple of terms is not the same as graduating the course. 2 reliable sources say NO females graduated.
My statement was correct, recently Ive been making wiring looms for vintage bikes and other auto-electrical work, repairing sewing machines. But most of my work has been in machine shops and steel fabrication (crane jibs, Huge shark tanks for Dubai) it still doesn’t make me an electrical engineer.
Praps not exactly modular but as many sections were replicated there should have been standard pressing. We spent days sending back the wrong pressing from the shop. One time we bent a load of expensive silver coated copper earth bars to the wrong specks because the engineer hadn’t been consulted, piles of new galve sheet skipped. The other guy was a fitter and turner and we both came up with a system of tacking on the nuts and using a cutout for the door bolts, boss said no. Ive never worked in a place were no proper drawings or verbal instructions so walked out. My last job I was on the highest pay in the factory and constantly improved efficiency. Every time I tried to leave the boss offered me more money, till it got embarrassing. People with preconceived ideas are exactly what Im against. You must always have an open mind, and good communication. But once you’ve ascertained that something is bullshit repeating it a 1000 times doesn’t make it any less bullshit, just brainwashes the gullible.
Actually I twice moved back to France but the work runs out and I don’t qualify for the smic. The mairie are trying to put a communal gite on my mums property so we are fighting that at the moment.
Dunno if anyone else caught this, but… Mister “Sanders would have won” can’t even legally vote in the US.
@John
Acting like a jerk and policing everyone else’s tone as soon as you realized we weren’t going to accept your words as gospel isn’t “nice.”
@Jerry Donohue
“You see by being as obnoxious as possible I am providing benefits to humanity as a whole, your welcome.”
That plus lack of punctuation and an inability to split a block of text into multiple paragraphs looks alot like them fanfiction self insert screeds.
@JS: Unless he’s really a seagull-eating engineer?
Yeah, that last post of Jerry’s had a real whiff of roasted seagull to it.
Jerry
Considering the “number of dots on ellipses” to be like “pushing the limits of the possible”, and pushing the boundaries for males everywhere! lol, nope……..
Still don’t believe you are the amazing tech you think you are. Based on how you treat people here? You’d be on the short list for “Surplus to Requirements”.
Kerrist on a bicycle!
This thread is now beyond any joke.
JS
Yeah, it’s amazing how many assholes think they’re uniquely gifted.
They passed the hardest math courses at Harvard. I proved it. You did not.
You’re moving the goalposts and your fucking stupid assertion that no women has ever graduated from Harvard is patently false.
Stop lying. You appear very absurd.
Harvard doesn’t have any courses that are more than 2 terms in length. I frankly can’t think of a university or college that would have a course longer than 2 terms. Maaaybe three if it’s got a summer term project or something.
A 6-week “Boot Camp” on Calculus and Linalg is certainly not going to be a multi-term course. It’s six weeks.
Do you mean program? As in a series of courses, concluding in a degree?
Engineer. snnrk
No, but we have a hypothesis we’re testing around the relationship between the usage of incorrect ellipses and coherency. We thank you for the data point.
Speaking of nasty little broflakes who think they’re indispensable, Google fired that asshat:
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/google-fires-employee-behind-anti-diversity-memo-024838220–finance.html
Jerry said (in the middle of that really long paragraph)
Also this:
http://www.epcspestcontrol.co.uk/site/images/stories/pests/library/seagull.jpg
Yes thanks hippo
The thought police sacking people from their jobs. yes dark days indeed.
When I was a kid in Europe people asked how the insanity of the 30’s could have happened…This is how.
People barred from making a living because they thought wrong or were from the wrong ethnic group and banning of free speech…now gutless cowards are cackling all over again at the same thing. I would march in the streets if a feminist got sacked from her job for having a different opinion from me.
Also Google has only 2% blacks and 35% Asian…Asians have the highest level of education and pay in the US (above whites) so what happened there?