UPDATE 10/25/16: If you’ve come here after reading about a petition to cancel screenings of The Red Pill, I ask you to NOT sign any such petitions. It’s just free publicity for them. Read more of my thoughts on the matter here.
Dear Cassie Jaye,
Congratulations. You surpassed your Kickstarter fundraising goal yesterday, more than two weeks before the Kickstarter campaign was scheduled to come to a close. You’ve funded the postproduction work on your long-delayed documentary on Men’s Rights activists, and then some.
But I’m not sure that the person I should be congratulating is you. Last night Paul Elam of A Voice for Men – the central subject of your film – was doing his own victory lap online. And no wonder, because he seems to be the real victor here.
In a post on his site that managed to be giddy and vindictive at once, he offered his congratulations to you, then, well, to himself. “Even though the victory goes to Ms. Jaye,” he wrote, in an awkward attempt at modesty, “I have the need to offer up some thanks.”
And then he spelled out why he thinks your “victory” is really a victory for him.
For the past six years AVFM has had mud kicked in its face by a corrupt, left-wing media. Bottom feeders like Adam Serwer, Jeff Sharlet and Mariah Blake have performed endless unscrupulous acts, directly lying to their readers in order to attack AVFM, this movement and me personally.
Their work was not just to harm me, or to damage a website but to make sure if they could that the message we carry never found its way to the larger public. Their intent was and is to paint an indelible stain on all of us so hideous that we would never be taken seriously by enough people to matter.
They have failed, and I can now predict that they have failed miserably.
In other words, Paul Elam thinks he and his friends in what he ludicrously calls the “Men’s Human Rights Movement” have bought and paid for a feature-length advertisement for them.
And it’s not hard to see why Elam – and the other manospherians who’ve rallied around your film in recent days — think this. After all, they are the ones who have rescued your film from oblivion by pouring tens of thousands of dollars into your Kickstarter.
And all it took for you to unleash this torrent of money was an interview with one of the sleaziest figures in right-wing journalism, Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart.
In the interview, posted on Monday, you complained that “I won’t be getting support from feminists. They want a hit piece and I won’t do that.”
There was more than a little bit of irony in the fact that you were saying this to a man infamous for his many hit pieces on so-called “Social Justice Warriors.”
You also complained about an intern on your film who, you said, “had a lot of crying attacks and emotional experiences. She claimed everything I was showing her was triggering her.”
A young feminist “triggered” and crying. This is red meat to the Breitbart crowd, and I have to assume you knew this when you told Milo this story.
To an outside observer like me, this shameful pandering looks a lot like a Hail Mary play on your part. Having failed to convince most potential funders of the film that you would present anything close to an accurate picture of the Men’s Rights movement, you told Breitbart what its readers – and the broader manosphere – wanted to hear.
And it worked. Men’s Rights activists, self-professed “Red Pillers” and other assorted antifeminists rallied around your film, and the money started flowing.
On Reddit, the moderators of the Men’s Rights subreddit “stickied” an appeal to donate to your Kickstarter to the top of their front page, urging MRAs to open their wallets in order to show skeptics that “we can take part in some actual activism and not just post stuff in here.”
Even the regulars in the violently misogynistic Red Pill subreddit agreed to help bankroll your film.
And it wasn’t just Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” Redditors who organized support for your film. One right-wing Red Pill blogger, notorious for his harassment of ideological enemies, pledged to match donations up to $10,000, describing your documentary as “the Movie SJWs Do Not Want You to See.”
Meanwhile, on her blog, AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea Hardie (an internet bully better known under her pseudonyms Janet Bloomfield and “Judgy Bitch”) not only rallied her readers around your Kickstarter but also set up a gofundme of her own, raising money in hopes that it would buy Breitbart’s Yiannopoulos a producer credit in your film. (I hope that is out of the question, even if she raises more than the paltry amount she’s raised for this purpose so far.)
And then there was Elam himself, on Twitter, calling on his followers to, in his words, “Help fund #RedPillMovie because fuck feminists!”
https://twitter.com/AVoiceForMen/status/658700057311506432
Accepting money from these people would seem to be a pretty clear violation of the principles you set forth in your own Kickstarter video, in which you declared that
in order to keep this film non-partisan, and respectfully show all sides to this debate, we won’t accept funding from organizations that inevitably have biased agendas.
Instead, you have chosen to take money from people who see your film as a chance to say “fuck you” to feminists. You have chosen to take money from the actual subjects of your film.
You are making a film about Men’s Rights Activists, funded to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars by Men’s Rights Activists. You are making a film about A Voice for Men funded in part by A Voice for Men.
Does that not trouble you at all? It should. In your interview with Breitbart, you noted that “films that support one side and act as propaganda do better than those that try to have an honest look.”
You said this, presumably, to set yourself apart from such propagandists. Now you seem to have cast your lot in with them.
Which I suppose makes sense, since the clips of your film that you’ve posted online so far look a lot more like propaganda than they do like any sort of honest look at the Men’s Rights movement,
I felt uneasy about your project from the start, concerned that you had been pulled in by the soothing but misleading rhetoric that MRAs spout when they are trying to sound more respectable than they really are, rather than on what MRAs actually say and do when the cameras are off of them.
But I knew you had a good reputation as a filmmaker, and heard good things from several feminists who knew you better than I did. So I held my tongue and tried my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, even when you posted clips from your film that portrayed AVFMers as heroic underdogs rather than the misogynists and malicious harassers that they really are.
When I wrote you a little over a week ago with some of my concerns, you assured me in the phone call that followed that the clips you had posted were only part of the story, that you were well aware that the MRAs you had interviewed were on their best behavior when talking to you, and that the real story of the Men’s Rights movement is far less rosy-hued. Against my better judgement, I continued to hold on to some kind of hope that you would live up to your reputation in the end.
And now, frankly, I feel like I’ve been played.
Unfortunately, it looks like you have been played too, much more spectacularly than I have. I suspect you are doing far more damage to your reputation than you even know.
One thing I have learned in five years of watching, and writing about, and dealing with, the Men’s Rights movement, is that if Paul Elam is happy about something, that thing is almost certainly terrible.
I suspect, sadly, that you will ultimately learn this lesson yourself, the hard way.
PS: In our phone conversation, you suggested that if you were able to fund your film, you might be able to finally film the interview with me that we originally had planned to do, but which fell through due to financial and other practical obstacles during the original filming of The Red Pill. At this point, I am sorry to say, that is completely out of the question.
I took the liberty to Google “gww youtube” and Karen Straughan was literally the first result.
@Yor:
Scildfreja didn’t ask you to dox yourself, ass-hat. Piss off and cease polluting this space with your noxious emissions.
Yor, rambling incoherently
With comments getting kinda creepy
With the art of provocation
He ratchets up the aggravation
Andrew says he’s doin’ fine
Yet his tone’s a constant whine
’bout how the locals are so unfair
He’s only here because he cares
So much he wants to educate
Us all, he asks us “why the hate?”
He wants his free speech kingdom
Or some trollish martyrdom
And he just can’t wait
Trolls, trolls, trolls
On a roll, roll, roll
Devouring the thread
With all the things they’ve said
Scildfreja, SFHC:
Is it just me, or does it seem like hardcore conservatives/right-wingers are just opposed to education in general?
Like, the TA I had for my Lit class this semester literally dropped out of a Master’s program because he’s a Randian “anti-SJW” “liberals suck and socialism is literally evil by definition” type dude.
There was a call for Yor to be banned a few pages ago.
I voted yes.
I’m gonna vote twice: I vote yes again.
He’s incoherent, dull, and rapey.
Also, he says stupid shit like this:
Exactly, thanks @dlouwe you may be the first honest one of the lot of them. And polite too (it doesn’t take a lot to be honest folks, dlouwe is giving you guys a lesson in all it takes to be polite and honest – well apart from the “shenanigans” bit, but yeah, I’ll send you screenshots to prove it if you want).
Well, at least we can’t accuse PatriarchyDouche of being ethical or honest now, can we!
Oh, Karen Straughan, sure I’ve heard of her. Why didn’t PatriarchyDouche person just tell me that?? Yeah, I’ve seen of her, but to be honest, I’ll really not make it as this caricature that you want to make of me, as I just could never get into her. I did actually watch one video from her where she came out as a lesbian, and I thought that was kinda touching, but that’s the only thing I’ve ever watched of her, just couldn’t get into her myself.
EDIT: Now gone through first 10 pages, and GirlWritesWhat or KarenStraughan comes up in none of them. I can keep going further if you want though … shenanigans indeed! Who are these jumped up Google people making PatriarchyDouche look foolish and wrong! grrrrrrr! Bad Google!
Yor: I meant for “Cassie Jaye Youtube” that you said was the first result, linking to this article. It is not.
This article is not the first result.
And typing in GWW Youtube will not net you a
WW Grainger youtube account.
gww – YouTube is the first you tube account.
Geeks World Wide -YouTube Channel is the second.
karen staugham – YouTube
YouTube; user; girlwrites what is third.
Changing your own search parameters as a gotcha in disingenous. I expect nothing less from you.
I find it amusing that you think you are the one that drives the conversation here. You are not.
And Yor? Fuck off.
@Andrew:
Your answer to my asking for links could simply have been answered with “I haven’t. You’re supposed to take me at my word.” when you have not shown the same courtesy to others, especially when they have been more than patient when you first appeared.But repeating the same answers to you ad nauseum, when it is abundantly clear that you are desirous of different answers, is tedious.
Yor has been here before. We are familiar with his bullshit. If you’d like to throw your lot in with a known WHTM troll, be my guest.
This will raise your credibility. *Snerk*
@SmellyBore “”I’m trying to work out if that’s the worst troll I’ve seen on here, or the worst in the entire history of the internet.” “Troll” doesn’t mean “Insult,” dude. I get that you’re supernaturally stupid, but come on, even you can Google words you don’t understand.”
Well, technically, in that context, to use as trolling, that has been accepted in most modern dictionaries for some years. I’m not using it as “insult”, but hey ho. Oh, Did you see that @BronyTheMyLittlePony used “bais” instead of “bias” above. I mean yeah, BronyPont must be supernaturally stupid. Just shocking. Yeah, and maybe Dunning-Kruger as well ! Yeah, that’s it, go and lay down the law, thinking they can come here all MyLittlePony and write bais instead of bias!
@PeeWeeHerman, jesus, @dlouwe just explained to you above how the internet works in different countries. No ones doubting what you see sweetpea, but wow, just learn how the internet works. Please. My god, this is so basic it hurts. That is funny as hell that you are still trying to pretend you are right, even when @dlouwe explains to you how you are wrong. Priceless 🙂
Hey, Yorish snowflake? Your tap dance really fools nobody.
Fuck off, Adami. You’re boring.
@Yor
Don’t let my politeness fool you, I still think you’re being a turd. Not everyone know about the way Google can alter search results, so it’s “ethical” and honest” to gives someone the benefit of the doubt if they appear to think otherwise. Don’t lecture people on politeness that you aren’t willing to extend yourself.
Also are you searching for just “gww” or “gww youtube”? Like, it’s so incredibly unimportant to verify whether or not you are lying about your Google results (given that we know they aren’t identical for everyone), so that’d be a weird thing for you to lie about and I really don’t care. But it’d be legit surprising to me if you went through 10 pages of “gww youtube” without seeing a single thing about Karen.
I know it’s pointless to even bother pointing this out, but Yor, the point about Googling “GWW Youtube” is being made to point out that you were literally not even looking up the suggested search.
Man, I usually enjoy watching the trolls flail around here, but this one is just… sad!
EDIT: I may have also been trying to see how many times I could use the word “point” in one sentence.
He’s using Bing, isn’t he.
I actually laughed out loud when Yor told me my story didn’t happen.
Bless.
SNL’s Weekend Update:
Donald Trump can’t keep a secret. How long before he Tweets out the president of China’s home phone number because he got a bad egg roll?
@Andrew
I will give you this. It was mean-spirited of me to say I feel sorry for your daughter. It’s objectively true that all I know about you is what you’ve said in this comment thread, and I know exactly nothing about your daughter or your relationship with her.
I’d be curious to know what you think of sentiment that boils down to “bros before hos.” In my opinion, one of society’s core weaknesses in seeking equality is that many men defend men, and many women also defend men. But it’s a mortal offense when women actually stick up for one another.
Andrew says this, while Yor says:
And that’s just a small sample of Yor’s namecalling. But there’s no bias here, people. Nobody is defending the brotherhood. Just move along.
😀
Master P. Trimonireps, Esquire;
It appears that the previous missive may have arrived at your electronic post in somewhat of an illegible state. No other reason approaches me for the apparent confusion regarding the contents of said correspondence; my request contained therein was for the procurement of one (1) proof of competence, and not for addressing information, mailing or otherwise.
I reassure you, sir, I have no interest in any involvements of a personal nature. Indeed, the odiousness of such an interlocution leaves my constitution quite inconsistent.
No doubt this clarification shall remove all obfustification from the request, and we shall be receiving aforementioned demonstration forthwith. Again, sir – it is proof of competence which holds our interest, not proof of residence.
An easy mistake to make, sir, think nothing of it. The words are very similar, after all.
Awaiting your reply with bated breath,
– Scildfreja Unnýðnes,
WHTM Chair of Analytics and Unseliðe Research
Bless you all my little petals. May the Holy Patriarchy keep you in its warm embrace.
@BronyTheMyLittlePony gets a gold star for being strong and brave.
@TurdSandwich got the “best name” award.
A special mention to all the obergruppenführer spelling/grammer nazi’s (do people really think I write the same when dealing with Feminist internet goblins as I do when writing documents at work?? ho hum) and to the one that wanted to dox me “Given these points, I revoke your claim of being a physicst, and will require more concrete evidence before believing it. I will accept properly formatted submissions” hehe, cheeky Freya I think!
Oh, and try to stop all the “rapey” comments folks, you really do all tend to get a bit potty-mouthed at times! 🙂
So I looked up “dumass” in the UD, just for the heck of it; #2 amused me.
dumass
An illiterate’s version of dumb ass.
The dumb ass writes dumass for dumb ass.
Submitted by Alexandre Dumas
Please don’t stick the flounce, Liar McLiarface.
And Yor?
Fuck off.
Oh dearie me, my finger slipped and I accidentally emailed a couple of Yor’s more rapey and illegal comments to David. How utterly embarrassing, I must retire to the fainting couch post haste.
Any sparking monitors are due to the acidic sarcasm dripping through.
Thanks, @SFHC. I couldn’t really bring myself to read most of what he wrote. Why can’t these guys learn the joys of whitespace?
Oh, wait, it’s because they’re not here to communicate, they’re just here to be assholes.
I give Yor’s (likely failed) attempt to flounce a 1/10, giving a point if only for his persistence in living in a reality completely separate from what people here are actually saying.
Usually I can read a troll’s screeds and even find them morbidly entertaining, but Yor’s posts are so ranty and incoherent that I can’t even be bothered to do that. Won’t miss him when the banhammer comes down. 1/10, would not laugh at again.
At least Andrew is somewhat concise in his random bullshit. Kind of generic, though. 3/10. I might bump it up to a 4 if he can post something worthy of mockery enshrinement, like our feminist friend Katie or being a 329 year old engineer.
I banned Yor, who was getting pretty creepy ( I deleted one of his comments too).
Also Thomas Beckett, who was a returning troll.
If any of you regulars have trouble with comments going to moderation or otherwise not going through, drop me an email. I haven’t banned any of you, but the mod filter keeps glitching and grabbing people’s comments. Not sure what’s going on. Usually when something like this happens it’s the spam filter that’s the culprit.
Thanks, David!
He was creeeeeepy.
When
heEJ woke up, thedinosaurtroll wasstill theregone.I thought about this as I slept, and I came to a conclusion: despite his protestations to the contrary, Yor did indeed take a position on physics. The position he took was that “my ability to do physics means that I am qualified to speak with authority on other subjects.” On the face of it this is an absurd position, and yet it’s one that a shamefully large number of physicists do hold.
Had he accepted my request and talked about physics, he might have said something worthwhile. I don’t doubt that he genuinely knows some physics. He almost certainly knows more quantum than I do, because it’s not my field and I suck at it. However, he did not choose to talk about physics, and so he did not say anything worthwhile.
Trolls gonna troll, and ignorant people will find ways to be ignorant regardless of how not-ignorant they may be.