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Red Piller to MRAs: Stop eating cheese puffs out of your fedoras and LIFT!

Do you even lift, MRAs?
Do you even lift, MRAs?

Is the real problem with Men’s Rights Activists that they’re a bunch of sloppy fatties who don’t know how to dress?

That, at least, is the theory of one of the leading alpha dogs in the Red Pill subreddit — the legendary commenter known as GayLubeOil — and in a recent post he has some tough love for his wayward MRA brethren.

Oh, he agrees that MRAs are pretty much right about everything, issues-wise.

Anybody with any semblance of compassion or empathy would realize that men’s issues are serious, and women’s issues are cries for attention.

He even singles out one particular MRA as being especially wise.

King of Men’s Rights, Dean Esmay, makes excellent points that would convince any reasonable man.

Ah, but there’s just one problem, as GayLubeOil sees it. Or maybe two. Women don’t logic. They tingle. And MRA don’t make the ladies tingle.

[W]hat his royal highness needs to understand while he’s eating fudge popsicles and loafing around in cargo shorts is that a conversation with women is not about logic.

Also, women apparently have a thing against cargo shorts?

With the exception of Bruce Jenner, women are not men and therefore they don’t think like men. Women don’t care about logic they care about credibility, social standing, and tingles. To a woman it doesn’t matter what is being said, only who is saying it.

So says the mighty GayLubeOil.

Women are social creatures not logical creatures and that means they value social standing over reason. That’s the MRM’s big issue, they have no social standing.

That’s a nice way of saying that they’re all a bunch of luh-huh-looooooosers.

Women would rather reuse a tampon than have sex with a MRA.

He might have a point here, actually.

Until that changes and men’s rights stops eating cheese puffs out of their fedoras, they will never gain traction among women and will continue going nowhere, just like Dean Esmay in his crocs.

GayLubeOil has a bit of a fixation on poor Mr. Esmay, it seems.

So to all of the men’s rights activists that got trolled into reading this article, do us all a favor and stop being a chubster, speak with confidence and for the love of pregnant MRA Jesus go lift.

DO YOU EVEN LIFT

Your body is the message. The sooner you start taking your appearance seriously the sooner you will be taken seriously.

Maybe trade in the fedoras for a proper pickup artist hat?

Who knows maybe you guys can help make marriage a viable institution again or bring back free speech to university campuses. We the Red Pill are standing right behind you, getting our dicks sucked by insecure sorority girls and calling you fat.

Truly a manifesto for our times.

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Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Halo Jones | October 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
“Women would rather re-use a tampon than have sex with an MRA”

Hmm, would I rather have the possibility of Toxic Shock Syndrome or the certainty of Toxic Cretin Syndrome?

Life choices are HARD you guys…

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2015/03/snap-10.gif

RoscoeTCat
5 years ago

Isn’t it WOMEN, who are supposed to be concerned with their appearance? And, men, traditionally speaking, are supposed to be above all that, at least for themselves?

I’m personally not attracted to the pumped-up, “jacked” look, either.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Well, if we assume that GLO-and-co have as much familiarity with feminine hygiene products as walking past these items on store shelves can provide, and despite all the manly posturing, have an utter lack of first-hand experience with vaginas in real life but plenty of porn – tampons and pads might seem possible to reuse after a good wringing-out? Or having heard a comment in passing about washable and reusable pads and newer ‘period technologies’ somehow gets warped in their mind into “all that female hygiene period stuff must be reusable nowadays!”

Heh.

Well, washable/reusable pads have been around awhile, anyhow, although I’ve never used/made any myself; it takes a lot of rinsing to get blood out, and washing them could be a real PITA. And sea sponges, which have to be cleaned and boiled and dried between insertions, are as close as it gets to reusable tampons, and for me, they’re a big NOPE — too leaky, too fussy, too much danger of toxic shock syndrome (as opposed to tampons, which when properly made, may not be reusable, but are at least fairly sterile before you open one.)

I have, however, recently acquired a DivaCup, and after a few early difficulties (damn, even the smaller of the two sizes takes a lot of squooshing and pushing to insert and remove properly!), I’m quite liking it. You don’t have to take it out, empty and wash it for a good 12 hours at a stretch; you can even use the toilet without having to remove it first. About the only thing you can’t do while wearing it is to have sex (it has to sit fairly low in the vagina so you can remove it again). What’s not to love?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

OT: Didn’t know where to put this, but it’s a must-read for all the wankers out there who whine about chivalry being dead — usually in response to a woman not fellating them in exchange for holding a door open.

Snowberry
Snowberry
5 years ago

@Sooperdooper

I think they are called “aromantics” now …..

Nothing wrong with that, per se. So long as one makes it clear that they’re not looking for a relationship, and is prepared for the awkward messiness that occasionally happens when one of their partners falls in love with them anyway. I was specifically speaking of those people who leave behind a trail of broken hearts and false promises because they really don’t care about *anything* other than their own selfish desires. One can be aromantic without being a terrible person.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

It’s interesting how these types claim that women and our problems are all about attention seeking, but they find it perfectly reasonable when an Eliot Rodger or Chris Harper Mercer decides to gun people down in part because women don’t pay them enough attention.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

I’m just gonna leave this here —

“And every time one of these guys makes declarations about all the sex and sexual activities he engages in, something about that sends up a flare and raises a flag emblazoned with the word “LIAR”.”

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

Relevant. Also.

Bryce
Bryce
5 years ago

@Simon Russell “MRAs, on the other hand, seem like older, bitter burnouts who failed to learn much from whatever bad experiences they went through. Like Red Pillers who never matured. Maybe GayLube-whateverhisnamewas is upset by Esmay because he sees his future self in him”

Yeah I got that too; he’s essentially addressing his older self here.

You can lift day and night but at some point you”re going to be too old to manipulate young women into having anything to do with you. And that’ll be the point he goes full MRA and starts demanding society/government does it for him (for the sake of civilization of course…)

Felix Ray
5 years ago

My God, can anyone imagine feminism giving this much attention to the issue of HOW TO GET A MAN? It’s sort of pathetic.

Mortarius
Mortarius
5 years ago

@Simon Russell: ask and ye shall receive.

This is a demographic survey of r/men’s rights subreddit.

I found it shocking how hard it confirms the stereotypes.

Mortarius
Mortarius
5 years ago
katz
katz
5 years ago

Mortarius, IIRC, there were scripts messing with that survey, which is why it came out so incredibly uniform on every single category.

Not that MRAs aren’t a joke anyway, but I think that particular source was skewed.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

They also somehow managed to bork their only multiple choice question. Either that’s trying to say that 68% of total votes supported legalizing pot, which is a fucking useless thing to report, or nearly 3k people (the other questions all had that total) make up 68% of people answering — which would only work if that question was a pick only one, in which case WHY IS IT A BAR GRAPH?!?

Sorry, bad stats bother me. But to illustrate my point, I’ll take the first ten people who answer this and report on that tiny slice of WHTM —

Which of the following issues do you support?
– marijuana legalization
– homosexual marriage
– trans peoples’ rights
– abortion remaining legal
– socialized medicine
– minimum wage increase
– increased gun control

Can you highlight the most important if you decide to humor me, so I can do a quickie of the difference between select any and pick only one? Cuz even if the numbers themselves are garbage, the display of that question is mind boggling. (As is the grammar, but MRAs, grammar, MRAs, grammar… *shrugs* what can you do?)

justlikeheaven
justlikeheaven
5 years ago

Speaking of Dean Esmay anybody else thinks he kinda looks like J. Mascis of Dinosaur Jr. if he had a beard and his hair was red.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

Uh. Both of the logic classes I’ve taken have been taught by women. They were good. One of them is working at the NSA now, because they do more advanced cryptography math stuff than anywhere else in the world and she’s fucking brilliant. TRP people don’t seem to have ever interacted with actual women. I also doubt most TRP people have any grasp on formal logic. They certainly don’t show it.

D.T. Nova
5 years ago

“for the love of pregnant MRA Jesus”
What.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

If I had any art skills, I would make a drawing of pregnant MRA Jesus. Because I can picture and it’s both hilarious and terrifying.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

They don’t do informal logic either, I had to impose a 5pt limit on each fallacy in Spot That Fallacy! because they’d manage a dozen plus red herrings (even breaking that one down!), and a few others, like, how many times can you score in the Gish Gallop category?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

Which of the following issues do you support?
– marijuana legalization
– homosexual marriage
– trans peoples’ rights
– abortion remaining legal
– socialized medicine
– minimum wage increase
– increased gun control

I support them all. It’s difficult to choose, but number 1 for me is abortion remaining legal.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

We the Red Pill are standing right behind you, getting our dicks sucked by insecure sorority girls and calling you fat.

No,
you
are
not.

No one — no one! — with any choice at all would choose to suck your dick.

Oh, did you mean you paid someone to pretend she was a sorority “girl” and suck your dick? OK, that’s a possibility. Assuming your mom didn’t dock your allowance again for not looking for work in a meaningful way.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Felix Ray

My God, can anyone imagine feminism giving this much attention to the issue of HOW TO GET A MAN? It’s sort of pathetic.

Excellent point. “Sort of pathetic” is you being kind.

Although I do remember some advice in Ms. magazine about how to find a man. The article suggested several places to look and was illustrated with photographs.

Congress was one such place. Lots of guys there!

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Argenti: A bar graph is the only smart way to present that question because it isn’t a one-answer-only like the others: one can support all those causes.

That said, the 68% at the end enrages me too. Bad stats are a kick in the teeth to anyone who likes numbers.

(For your survey: I support all those causes *except* marijuana legalisation.)

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

A quick google through SRS reveals that apparently that survey’s data is considered unreliable:

http://ibin.co/w800/2Jm5G72ou9jd

Which is a shame.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Grrr, picture didn’t embed. Let me burn a candle to Katie and try again:

http://i57.tinypic.com/2vn3ryp.png

guest
guest
5 years ago

I’m thrilled with the new Dr Who, but gotta say Sandi Toksvig waz robbed.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

(Sorry, didn’t read Argenti’s post closely enough: I support all except marijuana legalisation, but if I had to pick a favourite it would be socialised medicine.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

EJ — yeah, if it was a select all then bar graph makes sense, but then where did the % come from?! Hence my little informal survey here!

sbel
sbel
5 years ago

“Which of the following issues do you support?
– marijuana legalization
– homosexual marriage
– trans peoples’ rights
– abortion remaining legal
– socialized medicine
– minimum wage increase
– increased gun control”

I support “all of the above,” though I’m not sure if gun control is practical given the political climate in the US. Might have to kick that can down the road a bit until people stop acting so paranoid about it.

Favorite one would probably be socialized medicine.

sbel
sbel
5 years ago

Actually, abortion staying legal might be more important. Forgot that was on there.

Broken Butterfly
Broken Butterfly
5 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

I know I don’t post too much but hopefully I can still participate in this.

Which of the following issues do you support?
– homosexual marriage
– trans peoples’ rights
– abortion remaining legal
– socialized medicine <—-
– minimum wage increase
– increased gun control

I'm indifferent about marijuana legalization, so I don't support it (but I'm not AGAINST it either).

As for the topic… really, there's only one thing that's going through my mind at this.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4655054/rolling-on-floor-laughing-o.gif

sbel
sbel
5 years ago

Well, not really “more important,” but it’s one of my issues, you know?

I wish there were a way to edit posts.

katz
katz
5 years ago

I also support all those things, and I guess I’ll pick socialized medicine if we’re imagining a context in which it’s meaningful to support such a thing.

Twisted Inspiration
5 years ago

All of the above and I do not see why they ever could be mutually exclusive.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

All of them, but if I had to choose… Probably marijuana legalisation, because the drug war is the main excuse that racist cops use to throw so many innocent black men behind bars (or worse), destroying families and lives and keeping them “In their place” as poor as possible. It’s Jim Crow by any other name. Fuck the drug war.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

@Roscoe(not affiliated with the best place for chicken and waffles in SoCal)

I had this amazing idea of conducting a proper experiment regarding feminine hygiene products capacity for leeching moisture from human skin while still in their packaging…but then I realized that hanging out in the feminine products aisle and fondling as much of the merchandise as possible would at best get me strange looks from store employees and at worst they’d call security and have me escorted off the premises.

@Bina

I think I just went further down the path to hell after the first thing I pictured after reading “sea sponge” was of the kind people use to wash their cars.

I’m too squeamish for the diva – getting it situated and hoping for no leaks during the acclimation phase would be enough to scare me off but of course there’s the added twist with the need to empty it. Reusable pants-mattresses wouldn’t be viewed favorably here – at least from the viewpoint of the water-use-shamers that have come out of the woodwork thanks to the drought. To be shamed for trying to keep the pants-mattresses clean by nosy neighbors who don’t like how much water one is using because it’s “Not faaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiir!” – we can blame those idiots for all bad things climate change from here on out, since their bitching resulted in reusable pants mattresses to be not reusable thus had to be carted off to the landfill. They should have to live in huts constructed of all those dumped pants-mattresses with floors made of legos!

I imagine I’ll have reached menopause by the time the diva stops making me squeamish just thinking about trying to use it. I hear a ton of people talking about how great it is, and I’m sure once it’s all up in the business like the diva and other incarnations that have come along more recently are supposed to be. All the effort and manual manipulation to use a diva or one of the others are so much more demanding compared to a bit of digital interfacing that is involved with using O.B. tampons…

@argenti

dhag85
5 years ago

I also support all of the above.

Not sure what to pick for my most important issue there. Should I take into account the current political climate? Abortion remaining legal would probably be the most important one there, or socialized medicine. But where I live there’s no reason to believe abortion rights would be in danger anytime soon, so it’s not exactly top of my mind. We also don’t have a minimum wage to increase. And we don’t have a significant problem with gun violence. Selfishly, I’m tempted to say marijuana legalization since it would help me personally with my physical pains.

I really don’t know. They’re all important issues.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

(That’s for the US, of course. For Australia, where the drug war doesn’t have the murderously racist side effects but gay marriage is still illegal in every state, gay marriage. Anyway, on to what I was going to post before I got distracted. =P)

Anybody with any semblance of compassion or empathy would realize that men’s issues are serious, and women’s issues are cries for attention.

Uhh… Rape is a men’s issue. Rape is a women’s issue. How can rape be both serious and a cry for attention? It’s Schrödinger time!

… Okay, the answer is “MRAs don’t give a shit about male victims either,” but still.

Simon Russell (@Panthalassa_101)

@Mortarius LOL thanks for that… Pretty much what I expected, except I’m surprised self-identifying MRAs are so young (I’d expected them to be older and bitter at perceived injustices in the family court system).

The thing that strikes me the most is the age-chart you provided re MRAs;, It seems like we really need to educate younger guys about what it really means to be a “man” nowadays, and how it doesn’t need to involve control and aggressiveness. I’ve tried to do this in my own volunteer work with younger guys (in low-income neighborhoods), but the mythos of the so-called alpha-dog runs deep in our society… very hard to combat, even when younger guys respect the older man talking to them. I feel like for every 1 kid I reached, 2 other didn’t care or felt too much societal pressure to keep being “hard”. Not to be a Debbie Downer, but for those of us who try to combat this shit, it can feel like an endless battle sometimes.

reimalebario
reimalebario
5 years ago

Raygun Zuzu
Raygun Zuzu
5 years ago

As a lifter and a male feminist, please MRAs, don’t follow that advice. It’s already hard enough to find an open bench press or squat rack at most gyms nowadays; I don’t need to be competing against you for them, either.

zyvlyn
zyvlyn
5 years ago

Which of the following issues do you support?
– marijuana legalization
– homosexual marriage
– trans peoples’ rights
– abortion remaining legal
– socialized medicine
– minimum wage increase
– increased gun control

All of the above for me as well. Which one is most important is tricky, as I feel they are all important, but I’ll say marijuana legalization simply because we can stop wasting money incarcerating people for possession and distribution of a substance less harmful than alcohol, and increase revenue through sales at governemnt owned vendors, much like ABC stores. Not to mention that we could enforce quality control to prevent harmful additives.

badgersdaughter
badgersdaughter
5 years ago

Here in Ireland, the selection of tampons is awful. It resembles what was available in the US back in the 1970s, but with few choices. I could never use Tampax because (TMI alert) they’d get half used and then forget what their job was, apparently, and removing them when they’re a little dry is like trying to shit Velcro. I ordered a cup because there were no better alternatives. I have short fingers and I’m still able to use one (I just have to fish around a bit). I don’t even look at it when I empty it; I just tip it backwards into the toilet and then swish it about a bit under the bathroom tap. The only reason I don’t use them exclusively is because after a few months’ use I can’t get rid of the stink even after multiple washings and boilings. And the time I managed to squeeze out a cup while using the toilet. I now carry a spare.

badgersdaughter
badgersdaughter
5 years ago

Oh, and my list of support is “all of the above”. Before I was a Socialist, I was a Libertarian. 😀

Hambeast, Social Justice Road Warrior
Hambeast, Social Justice Road Warrior
5 years ago

RoscoeTCat:

Kinda off-topic a bit, but…my spouse used to work for a chain drugstore, stocking shelves, among other things. He complained about having to stock feminine hygiene products…he said they leached all the moisture from his hands.

I did stocking at a craft store for a while; it’s just boxes in general that suck moisture from your hands. Doesn’t matter what’s inside ‘ em.

Argenti: yes on everything and keeping abortion safe and legal is #1.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

Re: DivaCup/Lunacups

I feverishly love my DivaCup, so I’m going to speak out in support of it. They are fantastic little things, without the risk of TSS and with a much better holding capacity than most tampons. Plus, since they’re made of silicone and not velcro cotton, people with a predictable cycle can insert them before their period starts with little worries. Getting blood on your hands is a bit gross, but I got used to it pretty fast. And they’re eco-friendly.

Before you get a hang of using them, though, I would highly recommend wearing a pad to catch the leaks because when DivaCups leak, it can be like the frigging Shining in your pants sometimes. I sometimes still use pantyliners just in case. Generally at night.

As for the smell, leaving mine in direct sunlight, like on a windowsill, during the weeks I’m not using it tends to clear that up. Though if you have cats, I’ve heard stories about them stealing the cups, so I’d make sure it’s out of the reach of kitties.

Joel
Joel
5 years ago

I’m constantly amazed by these guys. Everyone else thinks their pathetic and instead of banding together ther is infighting. Fuck the cheese puffs, give me popcorn!

Joel
Joel
5 years ago

@catalpa my wife has reusable pads and a diva cup, she loves it. Of course she hasn’t had a period since our daughter was born but when it comes back she’ll be set.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

@badgersdaughter

The tampons my mom used many moons ago were like a cross between a lollipop and a tampon, there was a stick not the typical applicator – I think the brand was Kotex. But oddly (Warning, TMI) most of the women I know have experienced some problem or other with using Tampax, the main cause seems to be the way they expand inside the vagina, which is all lengthwise and little if any on the sides. The ones with the cardboard tube applicator like the ones for storing posters but on a smaller scale were the worst, and played a part in the experience that made me banish white pants/skirts/shorts from my wardrobe for all eternity.

The good old days, when tampons could be mistaken by the purse rifling novice for lollipops, and tampax felt like velcro. 😉

@Hambeast, Social Justice Road Warrior

…*grumbles* freaking fantastic, my plan to randomly fondle the packages of feminine hygiene products in the name of !SCIENCE! is shot to hell….;)

@Catalpa

The idea of having to employ a backup method involving pads is worse than using the diva on its own! I used pads all of one period – my first one – and was properly horrified enough to go with tampons from that point on.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Ok guys, one more person and I’ll do up some quick math, currently, by any logical view on stats, everything but pot has 100% support, but I think by how they got 68%, only 15%~ of you support abortion remaining legal (where back in reality land a third said its most important).

They must’ve said “select all you support” and then taken the total number of votes, not voters, and divided the votes for each by that. That is, with 9 tallied peeps, 9 people support socialized medicine, but out of 61 total things supported, that’s only 15%~. Add in nearly 3,000 people/bots who really want pot to be legal and I guess that could be 68% of the total boxes checked?

As for their bot problem, back when we did the survey, we had just over 1,600 responses, I had to toss like 3 of them as outliers that had to be either bots or trolls (probably the latter). That was absolutely amazing, I was expecting a couple hundred and then found myself crashing excel over and over again cuz it just couldn’t handle the sheer number of lurkers who responded.

I need to go for a bit, I’ll whip up some charts when I get back!