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Red Piller: Go for chubby girls over sluts, because you can grind down their self esteem enough that they’ll lose weight

Fellas! It's not necessarily the end of the world if your date eats some food.
Fellas! It’s not necessarily the end of the world if your date sometimes eats food. Sometimes.

The Red Pill take on “Fat Chicks” is usually, well, let’s just call it strongly negative.

So I was a little surprised to find a post on the Red Pill subreddit suggesting that fat women aren’t necessarily the worst things in the world. The surprise went away as soon as I saw the explanation:

A woman can lose 20 pounds in three months but she can’t unsuck 20 dicks, ever.

And I can’t unread the phrase “unsuck 20 dicks” either, alas. 

You see, as the lovely Red Pill individual who calls himself windowkicker explains, if you’re looking for a future mother to your children, fat girls aren’t always the wrong choice, so long as they’re only slightly fat, and practically virginal.

If you find an attractive girl with a low N-count but is a few pounds overweight don’t worry too much about it. Red Pillers should take this option every day over a girl with low bodyfat but is a self confessed party girl with a high N-count and here’s why-

Brace yourself.

If you have been lifting and taking care of yourself when you start the relationship she will naturally fall into line with your lifestyle; this is on the condition that you are maintaining frame and employing light dread.

“Light dread” is a Red Pill euphemism for “grinding away at her insecurities by making her think you could leave her at any moment.”

Once you have demonstrated your superior SMV [Sexual Market Value] she will start to take better care of herself automatically. … for the majority of instances, a woman will get the vibe off you that she needs to lose some weight without you saying anything. Subtleness should be applied if you do approach the subject of weight loss but for the most part this is unnecessary (again, employ dread).

Sluts, by contrast, can never unsluttify themselves. Once they’ve been with an alpha they are pretty much ruined for good decent men like the amoral abusive creeps who read the Red Pill subreddit.

Once she has been alpha widowed there is no way back to re-establishing her ability to pair bond and raise stable offspring.

I’m not saying to go out there and be Captain save a hoe, if she doesn’t respond, next her immediately, but for a girl who is on the borderline and you want to raise a family, don’t waste all your time looking for skinny bitches who are going to jump at the next dishwasher repairman that calls at your house.

Huh. Apparently those Maytag repairmen aren’t really the loneliest men in town.

In the comments, other Red Pillers share their highly enlightened thoughts on the weight issue.

Antariusz reports on his efforts to “hard dread” his current girlfriend into dropping a lot of weight.

I’m kinda taking that approach with this girl I’ve started seeing, she’s pretty much everything I’d want in a woman, 20 with a low n-count, and wicked smart, but her weight is a huge issue (no pun intended), I’m getting what I want out of the relationship, and if she improves, awesome, if she doesn’t, well I’ve invested less time and emotion into her than any of my older blue pill relationships, so it’s all good. …

I steer almost the conversation at least once a day toward diet or working out.

Pirateninj4 advises him to

Treat [her] like you know you you’re better. Make her working out a requirement and employ dread if she doesn’t do it.

Walk away if she’s not complying.

blkbullmentor meanwhile, warns that

Dread can backfire.

If she’s a lazy bitch then she’ll refuse to compete. At that point, dump her ass as it’s easier to train a new one than fix a lazy one.

nantucketghost suggests you aim for younger “girls.”

Girls you can mold. They are willing to please an alpha. New clothes, change hair style, makeup, etc. Get them into a gym, workout and bond, run, etc. You can turn an HB5/6 into an HB8/9 with very little effort and after you do so, they will feel like they owe you and be forever grateful to you.

The women who start out with the looks and thinking they are the shit are used to the betas falling all over her to do things. She’s the one night stand. She wants to sleep with the alpa, but she’ll never give up the beta and being waited on hand and foot. This woman will end up unhappy and unfulfilled in life.

redadactyl suggests that his comrades don’t try to mold women who are more than a little bit overweight.

I feel like this is possible If she is 10-25lbs over MAX. I unwittingly did the conversion on my LTR pre TRP and got her to drop 15lbs and it was great. I kinda just had to suck it up at the beginning because I saw the potential. I don’t know if I could do it again today.

Moose_war, more pessimistic than most of his colleagues, laments how easily “humble, low self esteem virgin” fat girls can be transformed into evil, sassy sluts.

A lot of fat girls stay virgins into their 20s and then just get fucked one night and it opens up this weird world tinged with hunger for sex and validation. So they get a beta boyfriend or they get fucked, and the more male validation they get, the sassier they get, and the fatter they get, and the sassier they get.

The horror!

Until one day they are a morbidly obese 45 year old woman who looks 55 and who no man is having sex with anymore and she is nasty as fuck to everyone around her, to the cashier at the store, to her male co-workers, to the skinny pretty female co-workers.

Or maybe they end up still fat, still sassy, still having sex, and still glad they never hooked up with any of the bitter gaslighting dickheads who fill the Red Pill subreddit.

H/T — r/TheBluePill

 

 

 

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Lee
Lee
5 years ago

I would say “they’re not Barbies, you asshole, they’re people”, but somehow I doubt redpillers would get the message. >.<

brian
5 years ago

I’m sure I’ll be even more disgusted when I find out, but my curiosity doesn’t allow me NOT to ask, so… what does “n-count” mean?

Nop
Nop
5 years ago

The ironic thing is that oral sex* is WAY better from someone who knows what they’re doing. Not that the typical MRA would have any way of knowing that, of course.

* And every other kind too.

Nop
Nop
5 years ago

“what does “n-count” mean?”
I think it means ‘N’, as in number of partners, because apparently these assholes went to schools with those horrifying sex-ed courses that tell kids that women are stick of gum.

Anne
Anne
5 years ago

Those redpillers are just………*insert a long list of bad Words here*

Wetherby
Wetherby
5 years ago

Or maybe they end up still fat, still sassy, still having sex, and still glad they never hooked up with any of the bitter gaslighting dickheads who fill the Red Pill subreddit.

This is a perfect description of the woman I’m married to. Although one of the bitter gaslighting dickheads would have lasted approximately five seconds with her before being felled by a single blow of her tongue. And not in a sexual sense.

And if she’s happy with her weight, so am I. The key word being “happy” – because who wants to live with someone who’s miserable all the time? And worse, miserable because you’re the one actively making her miserable by insisting that she jump through entirely arbitrary hoops in order to conform to some bullshit ideal?

Jennifer
Jennifer
5 years ago

Brian, I had to look it up too: it’s the “number” of people she’s slept with.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I’d guess that n-count would mean notch count, like notches in a bedpost.

Though, given how virulently racist most of these assholes are, it might have an extra (and sorry gross) connotation. But maybe not, these dudes keep talking about a ‘low’ n-count, and many of them would think that a woman would be ‘ ruined’ by sleeping with a black guy even once.

History Nerd
5 years ago

I wonder how many of these guys prefer bigger women but they’re so insecure they can’t admit that to themselves. So they need to come up with excuses to rationalize that and make it fit with their ideology.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

*super gross, not sorry gross. Damn you autocorrect.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

The one thing that stands out to me here is that they constantly talk about putting in as little effort as possible. They want an easy method to getting a virginal submissive HB10 who will stay with them forever – with almost no self- improvement required. No wonder they’re angry all the time, they’re expecting pure fantasy out of the reality we all live in.

crassenti
5 years ago

Whenever I read stuff like this it reminds me of a song that use to be on the hits of the 50s and 60s cassettes (yes I’m that old) my parents would play on lng car trips – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ZJiBHh-Yw

Falconer
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera:

The one thing that stands out to me here is that they constantly talk about putting in as little effort as possible. They want an easy method to getting a virginal submissive HB10 who will stay with them forever – with almost no self- improvement required.

And yet, and yet, all their proposed methods sound like an exhausting amount of work, not even addressing how horrible the methods are.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

‘Dread game’ is horrendously over rated. Back when I still attempted to have relationships the surefire way for me to sabotage everything was my paranoia that I was going to get dumped at any moment, I wrecked at least one good relationship by worrying so much I stopped being myself with him. The idea any guy might deliberately make me feel like that makes me want to fill said guys shoes with umpteen legos.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
5 years ago

Every time you do a post about red pillers it comes to me all over again that there are people having discussions in public about their various strategies for emotionally abusing their partners.

dhag85
5 years ago

I’m just smiling over the fact that these guys believe a conventionally attractive, smart, 20 year old woman who “could lose 20 lbs” would have so much trouble getting laid. They seem to be saying that women who are very very slightly overweight would automatically be “incels”.

Once again it’s been confirmed these people have zero grasp on reality.

autosoma
5 years ago

I don’t understand why these guys want to prey on someone’s self esteem issues. My wife has terrible self esteem issues that she inherited from previous relationships and toxic parents, even after eleven years they surface (especially if she’s been in regular contact with parents or X’s have been facebooking her).

The only thing I can think of is that

autosoma
5 years ago

their own self esteem issues make them this way. Why for God sake would you want to emotionally torture some one in the way that is being described above?

A Cranky Spider
5 years ago

EW! *waves giant spiders to keep such men away from me* Why would i even WANT to have babies with people like that? ESPECIALLY GIRL BABIES!

skiriki
5 years ago

I swear if I ever come face-to-face with people spouting this crap, I will spontaneously develop a superpower of vomiting spiders on their heads.

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

I think because of the stuff I’m going through right now, the thing that really hits home for me about this post is the sheer fucking amount of entitlement these dickwads display.

Nobody is entitled to another human, no matter what their “hb” rating is considered to be by conventional beauty standards. But these guys are convinced that hb9s who are virgins but also somehow amazing at sex should be gift wrapping themselves and falling into their laps.

I need a bit of advice and I trust the people on here to have good insight. A few months ago I met a guy online and we talked for a few weeks before going on a date. After the date he made fake profiles to talk to me to check if I was talking to other guys so I told him not to contact me again. He’s been sending up to 70 text messages a day and calling me day and night. I never answer or reply. But today I found out that he’s made a fake profile pretending to be me, talking to men and sending them naked pics of me. I’ve called the police and they want me to go to the station tomorrow to make a statement.

But now I’m scared it’ll make him worse and retaliate. I’m still going to go ahead with it but I feel sick and I’m shaking. I also don’t know what to expect tomorrow, I don’t know what will happen after, if he’ll be arrested or cautioned. I’m in the UK so thinking maybe Alan could answer some of that.

Sorry for the teal deer. I’m just freaking out and I love how people on here are really knowledgeable about dealing with stuff.

dhag85
5 years ago

@NicolaLuna

Holy fuck what an asshole. :/

dhag85
5 years ago

Um, I should’ve added I don’t have any useful advice. Hopefully others will know more than I do about this sort of situation.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Why do I get the feeling that take better care of herself is code for develop an eating disorder?

I’d need to see a citation on their little hypothesis that skinny women have more sex partners than heavier women. Actually fat women statistically have higher libidos.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

All my hugs, NicolaLuna*. Nobody deserves shitty behaviour like that.

Sadly I don’t have any useful advice other than he richly deserves whatever happens to him. Don’t feel guilty; you’re protecting the next person he would meet.

—–

*Unless you dislike physical contact, in which case all my best wishes.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
5 years ago

Ugh, just when I start to think that weight gain made you safe from these assholes.

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
5 years ago

I mean, i didn’t seriously believe it, but a girl can hope, right? 🙁

chronic lurker
chronic lurker
5 years ago

@NicolaLuna
*all the hugs* 🙁

History Nerd
5 years ago

I’d definitely recommend getting a restraining order. It’s impossible to tell whether he’ll escalate or back down, but he might escalate anyway even if you do nothing. But he probably won’t stop unless he knows there will be unpleasant consequences for him.

autosoma
5 years ago

@nicolaluna… I hope the police do their job effectively, make sure you collect together as much evidence as possible. Not knowing the force or division your dealing with, steel yourself for a shitty experience from the plods, get someone to support you and possibly an advocate also be prepared to get a solicitor. That all I can offer other than I hope you get the outcome you want and you don’t suffer along the way. I’m not a hugging person so stoic, solid, unresponsive expression of support and care.

brian
5 years ago

@NicolaLuna:
A group like Crash Override ( http://www.crashoverridenetwork.com/ ) might be able to give you some help.

The Student
The Student
5 years ago

@NicolaLuna
I don’t have any advice to share, but I have some hugs if you want them

History Nerd
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger They think skinny blonde women have more sex because it’s consistent with their twisted evo psych way of looking at everything. They’re more concerned with being perceived as “alphas” and being entitled to someone else than actual pleasure.

autosoma
5 years ago

on a separate note, why are these guys obsessed with vurgyns! I’ve never knowingly met one, cos I don’t enquire about anyone’s sexual history cos I’m not interested, it’s not important and it doesn’t matter.
At the start of our relationship DW, my wife, suddenly decided to talk about it. She’d been working with an odd American Southern Baptist woman who was obsessed by a book called “The Rules” and harping on about numbers. The conversation went something like this;

DW: I want to tell you how many men I’ve slept with.

Me: Don’t, I’m not interested and its a dangerous thing to talk about.

DW: I want to tell you, its….

Me: No I don’t want to know, its not important.

DW: But its…

Me: really NO, please just don’t.

DW: its {says number}, his many people have you slept with?

Me: Absolutely no idea, never stopped to think about it and I can’t give you a figure and now what you’ve said is now out in the open.

We still laugh about that day now, as she was doing some kind of self sabotage, the out cone if it is that we intend to teach our daughters never to say a bloody thing about their sexlives and keep it bloody private, like it should be.

Wetherby
Wetherby
5 years ago

on a separate note, why are these guys obsessed with vurgyns!

Most likely because non-virgins will realise what truly terrible lays they are.

I can’t imagine someone who fundamentally hates women and who actively discusses abuse techniques with like-minded people online is going to be the world’s most attentive and conscientious lover.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

NicolaLuna — so you started talking to a guy, he seemed decent, you met, he revealed that actually he’s an asshole, stalked you, violated your trust and policed your sexuality by sending nude pics of you around? Yeah, I’d say fuck him, go into the station and let them punish him severely. Take care of yourself, if that means trusting your fear it’d make things worse, then go with that, just don’t do things cuz society says you should, and don’t panic — go make tea or coffee or whatever, if you can afford it treat yourself to your favorite meal before and after, ice cream is a plus, though it’s getting chilly so maybe hot chocolate? And cuddle any available fuzzballs, especially if that means venting to the friend who parents the critter!

He’s an asshole, he deserves what he has coming, you don’t deserve this stress, what you deserve is things the comfort you and will help take your mind off things. I suggest cats!

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
5 years ago

@NicoloaLuna – The good thing is that you presumably know his real name and what he looks like – he’s not just some random anonymous troll, so he can actually be held accountable.

Document as much of the abuse as you can – keep screen-shots of messages, pages where he’s pretending to be you, URLs for his fake profiles, call logs on your phones – everything you can think of.

I’m really glad it sounds as though the police are willing to investigate this and take it seriously.

If there’s any risk that he might try to seek you out in person – either at home, or where you work or hang out, then I’d try to have a contingency plan for your safety. – Make Team You aware of the situation, and follow any of the relevant advice listed by Captain Awkward concerning changing phone numbers, extra security, etc.

http://captainawkward.com/2013/12/15/529-unfun-with-tenses-you-had-an-abuser-you-have-a-stalker/

Hopefully, he’s only a vengeful asshole in the internet and a snivelling piece of shit IRL, but it would be prudent to treat him as a stalker who is currently targeting you, in case of escalation.

I wish you the best of luck, he’s putting you through some horrible psychological shit.

Iogrey
Iogrey
5 years ago

When I was young, I was one of those people who stay thin no matter what they eat. I never thought much about it until I met my ex. He started telling me that I was too skinny, and I should try to gain some weight, but I couldn’t seem to manage it. He made “jokes” about it all the time (e.g. you look like a crackhead, you look like a drowned rat, heh, heh . . . ). Little by little, I became very insecure about my body, and it affected our sex life a lot. Then I turned 40, and suddenly started to gain weight. I had gained maybe 15 lbs, so I was about a size 7-8. The jokes changed at once to, “are you really going to eat all that? You look like you could skip a few meals, or Can you get me some ice cream – see, I can eat ice cream, I’m not fat, ha ha . . . ” He started pestering me to exercise all the time. He bought me a bike so I could ride to work. He bought me exercise clothes for my birthday. “Helpful” stuff like that. However, by that point, I was like – f*** you! Still, it’s hard not to be affected by that sort of emotional abuse. The good thing was that I finally started to see that nothing I could ever do would please this man.

When I read these posts, they trigger the hell out of me. I often want to comment, but I just can’t. I’ve lived through two very long-term, very abusive relationships, and I recognize my exes’ attitudes in these MRAs and PUAs. However, neither of my exes ever said such misogynistic things directly. They said just the opposite, at least until I was living with them, and had young children, etc. I am not a stupid woman, but abusive men really know how to mess with your head.

Professor fate
Professor fate
5 years ago

Not only is this horrible but there is a truly bizarre unworldliness to it as well, do any of them ever deal with anyone from outside their circle? This really is something I’d expect to read in a science fiction story about a website for Aliens to fake being human.

History Nerd
5 years ago

Yup, make sure you keep a record of every communication you’ve received from him whether abusive or not. Tell the police you’re concerned about escalation.

dhag85
5 years ago

@logrey

Trillions of hugs if you want them, and congrats on making it out in the end. Your exes sound like terrible people.

Cerberus
Cerberus
5 years ago

The virgin obsession is interesting, because it makes sense why. When you are an abusive shithead and overly focused on getting off with the least given effort then you’d want a partner with very little real-world experience to compare your douchery to and realize exactly what you are. Someone who has experienced consensual loving sex and relationships is going to be much less likely to put up with abusive shitlordery than someone who is just starting out dating and is thus more likely to have cultural messages about how its supposed to look. It’s a confirmation that what they really want are people who don’t know how terrible they are.

But the most interesting thing is how these shitlords treat their dream target when they get it. My it’s complicated dated a couple of proto-red pillers in college. The type under constant pressure by douchebro friends to put as little effort into a relationship as possible, lots of gaslighting and sexual assault, and emotional abuse digs meant to steer her towards one behavior or another. And exactly the type to sneer at those who “got around” and “fat girls” and the like even though only one of them was all that good looking.

And pretty much every one of them got the most pissy with her about how she didn’t instantly know how best to perform sex acts. See they all grew up with porn and in porn, all the virginal types suddenly know how a dick works and so they presumed it was super easy. So when she bumbled and fumbled, they would yell at her and call her stupid. They also yelled at her when she had a bunch of virginal issues surrounding sex including hang-ups about certain acts and vaginismus and a growing number of PTSD stuff about the increasing number of sexual assaults she was suffering at the hands of these shitlords.

So yeah, what they want is even more impossible than they claim. They want a super conventionally attractive woman who is a complete virgin when they meet so that they can be more easily abused as they see fit, but they also want said abused virgin to instantly have no hang-ups about sex and to be suddenly awesome at it. And then they want said virginal sex superstar attractive woman to never develop self-esteem and thus decide to leave them while they continue to escalate sexual assault and gaslighting abuse against them, but also show no psychological damage that could interfere with their horrible actions and getting what they want, especially as they continue to escalate that because of course that’s what abusive people do, they’re never actually satisfied with anything.

So yeah, even when they get what they want, it’s not enough because they’re always escalating because what they want most of all is to abuse a woman and feel justified in doing so.

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

Thank you everyone for the hugs and advice. The police (thames Valley) were really helpful on the phone so I’m hoping giving a statement won’t be too bad. It’s been about 8 weeks with the calls and messages and I was hoping he’d get bored and leave me alone if I ignored him. But I can’t ignore it any more.
I’ve saved all the messages and I have screenshots of the pictures he’s sending. He’s still phoning me this evening and sending messages. I hope this is the last night I have to deal with this and that the police are enough to scare him off. I’ve made sure all my doors and windows are locked tonight.

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
5 years ago

@NicolaLuna – I’m so sorry you’re dealing with that. I don’t know anything about how the police in the UK would handle something like this, but hopefully you’re able to make it stop.

Is he using the same platform you met on to impersonate you? I would imagine if he is using any online dating service he is violating their Terms of Service and they should be able to force him out.

MissyL
MissyL
5 years ago

TW: Eating disorder and associated mental crap

This post hit me hard and pushed some buttons. I can’t help but wonder if one of those losers is my ex-husband. When I was at my lightest I was still big boned, big-hipped, large breasts, size 14-16. I was in the gym working out HARD for two hours every day, plus an hour of Pilates in the morning before work. On the weekends it was three hours or more per day working out. I was obsessed with staying as thin as I could to the point that I was crash dieting and developing an eating disorder. Not only did that asshole encourage me in this pursuit rather than realize or care I was unhealthy as hell, he constantly put me down for never managing to get below 156 lbs (I’m 5’7″). I’ve healed from that somewhat, and tried to accept my size. But I still have an unhealthy relationship with food, and hate my body for not being a size 6-8. I’m working on it, but it’s hard.

Not only do these assholes take joy in emotionally abusing women, their ignorance of basic physiology is astounding. Some people are bigger than others no matter how much time they spend in the gym or how little they eat. There is no one way to have a body; bodies are all different and none of them are wrong.

These losers see women as objects, not people, and it shows.

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
5 years ago

Iogrey and the others on here who’ve had partners rag on them for their weight: you deserve so much better and I’m sorry that is a part of your life.

dhag85
5 years ago

There’s a show on Swedish TV called Trolljägarna (Troll Hunters), where they confront serial internet harassers and other shitheads. It’s pretty hilarious, especially since these douchebags sometimes post angry/scared threads asking for strategies to get out of trouble, in case the TV crew shows up.

Wetherby
Wetherby
5 years ago

Profiled in English here:

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

This bit made me laugh:

I’m not saying to go out there and be Captain save a hoe, if she doesn’t respond, if she rejects your advances next her immediately protect your fragile ego by pretending that YOU’RE rejecting HER!

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