When I saw the headline on Return of Kings, PUA scuzzball Roosh V’s garbage site, I braced for the worst.
Men Benefit From Acting Potentially Violent And Explosive Around Women
Because the not-so-secret truth about domestic abuse is that abusive men do benefit in various ways from being abusive, just as bullies benefit from stealing other kids’ lunch money.
Happily, in this instance at least, Return of Kings refrains from explicitly endorsing domestic abuse.
It turns out that this post. by regular RoK contributor David Garrett, is mostly about running into people on sidewalks.
On purpose. To show what a total alpha badass you are. Or at least what a total alpha badass you are pretending to be.
As Garrett sees it, women go weak in the knees around “bad boys” because they think these “bad boys would be willing to use or have used physical force in expressing their badness.”
Trouble is, dudes who go around punching people tend to get punched back. So the real trick, Garret writes, is
to be seen as potentially violent and explosive, without the regular drawbacks of spending time in prison, getting badly beaten up by five other guys, or some other event you don’t particularly want to experience.
The key word is “potentially.” And in case you missed his point, Garrett repeats it, with the word “potentially” in bold:
There’s a distinction here, as you can see, between being violent and acting potentially violent around women and others.
So how do you convince the Hot Babes you’re potentially a big tough guy … without ever having to get into an actual fight to prove it?
Well, here’s where the whole “running into people on sidewalks” thing comes in.
If you want to be seen as a big tough guy who never apologizes for taking up space in the world, what better way to show this (in a reasonably safe way) than by running into people on sidewalks? Or at least by running into people you’re pretty sure won’t punch you for it.
When you walk in large cities, you might notice the propensity of people, especially young women, not to move around you when you’re walking towards one another. Sometimes they will deliberately try and cut you off, expecting you’ll concede space. Don’t. Aside from those with infirmities, the elderly or parents with young children, plough through.
Last month, one middle-aged woman … refused to make way … Oh well, my bag ran into her. And it hurt. Too bad for her.
TOTAL ALPHA MOVE.
Oh, and for maximum benefit, do this in front of the Hot Babes you’re trying to impress. I mean, duh.
When you’re with your girl, a female target or just female friends, try things like this out. There’s a time and place for etiquette and politeness but at least 90% of the time, barring those with mobility issues, it isn’t on the streets you walk.
You can also try getting mad at people who blow cigarette smoke in your general direction.
I also (calmly) confront those who blow tobacco smoke in my face accidentally, half- or full-daring them to try again (depending on whether I’m being sarcastic or plain condescending).
After explicitly telling his readers to do all this in front of “your girl, a female target or just female friends” in order to convince them in a low-risk way how potentially violent they are, Garrett assures us that he totally acts this way even when there are no HB8’s in sight.
If an alpha male falls in the forest, and there’s no HB8 to hear him, does he make a sound? Garrett says YES and pumps his fists.
Rather than being a staged action, it’s who I am, someone utterly repulsed by cigarette fumes. I would do the same thing alone or with a girl. … The context is more like becoming who you really are, rather than what society has demanded you be: the timid, ball-less gentleman.
Oh, but don’t do any of this with, you know, black dudes, or anyone else who might actually punch you.
I am going to suggest to you that making retaliatory or wisecracking comments to abrasive males in the projects of Detroit or the Bronx, or the non-tourist suburbs of Moscow, is maybe not worth the effort (or the dental bill).
I mean, BECOME WHO YOU ARE but only with people smaller than you, and who probably don’t have friends in the vicinity who might punch you. Seriously, you may want to stick to middle-aged women you can “accidentally” hit with your bag.
Because nothing turns the hot babes on more than a dude who “accidentally” hits middle-aged women with his bag.
@ej 100 yards up the road from you on the Hainault road, up from the old Essex county cricket grounds, just round the corner from Whipps Cross. Until, that is we moved out if the Smoke to Bournemouth… Beach is fucking awsome though. I miss the Mandem, the BanglaGangstas and the Organistysta, but the sprogs and DW feel happier and safer.
@msexceptiontotgerulez I thought Dave Gahan was an Essex (Theyden) boy-se, well north Weald no jock or paddy twang, esturine all the way just like me. I saw Depeche Mode supporting Blancmange in 1982 their first national tour. My point was you hit someone on the head with a bit of steel, they ain’t getting up, hit them several times, they’re nearly dead. My mum fractured my skull with a frying pan when I was a lippy teen and I spent an age in hospital and that was one whack, mind you she was a nasty piece of work.
@ej – I just attempted to read the Monbiot article you referenced, far too many words with more than five letters and three syllables, do I personally, found it a bit difficult to take in. My takeaway: Humans are socially altruistic if the learn it through reward.
@Moocow at 5:48 pm:
An outstanding comment.
Wow. Small world (although I wouldn’t want to paint it)
Must confess, whilst I loved living in London, I’m very glad to have escaped to Cornwall. I even have the proverbial house on the beach! And as I also met some lingerie models, one of whom has even made me a sandwich*, I seem to be living the MRA approved lifestyle!
[*That was after helping her move a fridge though, so is that technically misandry, I’m not sure of the rules?]
Dying laughing. Poor boy doesn’t realize that behavior like this in an adult male is a deal breaker, both on a date and if I spot him pulling such crap on the way in to a job interview with me.
“So I wonder, what is with these MRA guys? Are they just that un-self aware? Lazy? Stupid?”
They don´t get out much.
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The Alpha males they want to become.
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@alan presently, the only thing I’m missing about London is salt beef or schmaltz herring from brick lane, the beach is 10mins away, I’ve kitted the sprogs out with wetsuits, so we can do the particularly British thing of beach no matter what the weather, I’ve got them into the Brownies, cubs, sea cadets and St Johns Ambulance cadets on the same day as asking without year long waiting lists, they’ve done RNLI sea safety and are happy as little pigs in warm shit. My wife’s anomie, angst and stress has dropped to near zero. So all in all, if their happy and unstressed – I’m happy and unstressed.
Alan, autosoma and sunnysombrera all live on the coast west of London, so I’m assuming you’re all neighbours, right? Things outside the M25 all blur together for me.
I’m really glad to hear that your family’s feeling better, autosoma. I worried about you lot. If we ever manage to have that get together for a pint I’ll bring you down some salt beef.
MRA hero of the day 🙁
TW for an image of an assault victim. http://gawker.com/cops-daycare-operator-took-snow-shovel-to-the-face-in-1736443116
msexceptiontotherule: Yeah, the internet can really, really screw up our ability to properly risk-assess. There’s two factors in there.
1: The first, as you note, is that we’re now getting news from a much broader area, and much more immediately, so if a story is ‘unfolding’, we get twenty-four-hour coverage until it resolves or runs out of steam. We’d gotten acclimated to the daily paper/evening news cycles, which meant we usually heard about events not in our immediate vicinity in a more encapsulated form, if we heard about them at all.
2: There’s a secondary factor in that the internet is forever. I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen someone on a forum or blog make a comment about an ‘urgent’ event that turned out to be linked to a four- or five-year old story. So we get those re-hashes cropping up and distorting our impression of how common that particular crisis is.
@WWTH
Fully agree. A lot of guy’s anger comes from women not ‘behaving the way they are expecting’ or something along those lines. While watching breaking bad, I was legitimately shocked to hear that SO many people hated Skylar’s character and very disappointed to hear the amount of harassment she received for playing a goddamn fictional character. I think you’re spot on, a lot of guys hate her for not fitting the narrative as they think a woman should. The fact that they consider her situation “a good life” really says a lot.
@Argenti Aertheri
I usually go “hmmmm, hey salmon, you look pretty tast—-I mean good. You look good! Have you been, erm, working out on the fish ladder?”
Also, I think I’m going to imagine that “HB10” now means “hot bass”. Tee hee 😀
@raysa
Thank you! I really enjoy discussing this topic. Like you, I don’t fit my gender role ‘correctly’. I’m a feeler, I live and breath emotions and for a while I was incredibly insecure about that. I hate conflict and I hate fighting too, so many guys would always ask me “hey, he just dissed you, why don’t you say something back?”. Hanging out with guys felt like living life among the gorillas or something. I just never felt like I belonged. Especially when I acted like myself, guys would call my gender into question or throw all the homophobic remarks, it’s that kind of shit that makes it very difficult for guys to ever be comfortable talking about these problems (particularly among other men). Feminism helped me realize that gender roles do far more harm than good and thanks to feminism I’m happier than I ever was about myself. No more doubts or insecurities over my gender. Now I see my sensitivity as a strength, it helps me understand what others are feeling.
@justlikeheaven
Yeah, it’s a real problem. I unfortunately have ruined friendships with women because I tried to push a relationship. I also received mockery (way more playful than what what it sounds like your friend had to go through) for having a close friendship with a male friend.
autosoma – I met Michael Clarke once – long time ago, I think he was a bit chuffed to be recognised! very sweet. LB I was fascinated by, but he was a bit of a handful wasn’t he?!
@ej thanks for that, that’s really kind, I have to admit it’s weird not being somewhere as diverse as leytonsyon/Waltham forest. It was dead shocking watching the local constabulary rounding up a load of Balkan Roma, for all its faults the Met is aware of cultural sensitivities. I dunno how I can phrase this with sounding like a dick but there are a lot of white native English speakers around here, I may blend in but I still feel uncomfortable, the wife and kids have difficulty spitting me when we’re out and about as there are so many fat bald white skinheads with tattoos in Bournemouth.
Spotting me… Poir spuellinkg on my part
Normally I come out of reading these posts with all sorts of negative feelings towards the MRAs/MGTOWs/PUAs they’re about. But all I can think of right now is how much I can’t stand assholes who walk side-by-side on sidewalks taking up the whole space and seem to expect oncoming foot traffic to step off the path, or at the very least they’ll give the oncoming foot traffic a look as if somehow they’re horribly inconvenienced by having to provide space for other people on the designated paved path.
A while ago I decided, screw it. Except for the elderly, infirm, or small children holding their parents’ hands, I refuse to get off the sidewalk. So far it hasn’t resulted in a collision, but I won’t balk at the day that happens.
@ autosoma
I used to love strolling over to the Happening Beagle Bagel Bakery for one of their amazing salt beef bagels.
I’d also stock up on black bread so I could pretend to be Solzenychin in the gulag.
@newbie
Wow, thank you! I try 🙂
@Alan just off fenchurch St in the alley leading up to Ledenhall there is an Italian Deli that does killer home picked freshly boiled salt beef on pumpernickel with grain mustard and pickle for a fiver, it used to be my weekly Friday lunchtime treat.
Ahhhhh those were the days… I’m gonna have to start brining my own brisket (fnar-fnar)
Tabby Lavalamp: That struck me, too–at least a few of his complaints actually had validity. (Don’t get me started on smokers at a bus stop who don’t understand the concept of ‘downwind’.) It’s just that his reaction is so outrageously over the top that he loses any real sympathy he might otherwise garner. “I’m annoyed about people who cluster on the sidewalk, so I’m going to plow through and knock anyone who is even remotely in my straight-line path,” is not a rational thought process.
@ autosoma
Is that by where there’s that weird church tower just standing on its own?
@Alan I think you may be thinking of the Samuel Pepys gate thing but there are so many monument thingies around there, in back alleys etc it’s hard to know. just googled it, Claudio’s on Cullum st
@ autosoma
Yeah, I used to know London like the back of my hand. I could even do all the knowledge routes and could draw the tube map from memory. Now it’s a bit hazy.
Weirdly though, when I go back up there it suddenly all floods back and I know every back alley again.
“Don’t get me started on smokers at a bus stop who don’t understand the concept of ‘downwind’.”
Fuck, that bothers me and I smoke! It’s just common curtesy not to deposit odiferous discharges upwind (yes people who are farting death, I did word it like that to include you!)
Dude, you banged a lady with your purse. Much alpha. So wow.
BTW, never underestimate what ladies — elderly ones — can do with their purses:
Bina
That is awesome, she reminds me of my elderly friends and my grandma and always respect your elders everyone.