When I saw the headline on Return of Kings, PUA scuzzball Roosh V’s garbage site, I braced for the worst.
Men Benefit From Acting Potentially Violent And Explosive Around Women
Because the not-so-secret truth about domestic abuse is that abusive men do benefit in various ways from being abusive, just as bullies benefit from stealing other kids’ lunch money.
Happily, in this instance at least, Return of Kings refrains from explicitly endorsing domestic abuse.
It turns out that this post. by regular RoK contributor David Garrett, is mostly about running into people on sidewalks.
On purpose. To show what a total alpha badass you are. Or at least what a total alpha badass you are pretending to be.
As Garrett sees it, women go weak in the knees around “bad boys” because they think these “bad boys would be willing to use or have used physical force in expressing their badness.”
Trouble is, dudes who go around punching people tend to get punched back. So the real trick, Garret writes, is
to be seen as potentially violent and explosive, without the regular drawbacks of spending time in prison, getting badly beaten up by five other guys, or some other event you don’t particularly want to experience.
The key word is “potentially.” And in case you missed his point, Garrett repeats it, with the word “potentially” in bold:
There’s a distinction here, as you can see, between being violent and acting potentially violent around women and others.
So how do you convince the Hot Babes you’re potentially a big tough guy … without ever having to get into an actual fight to prove it?
Well, here’s where the whole “running into people on sidewalks” thing comes in.
If you want to be seen as a big tough guy who never apologizes for taking up space in the world, what better way to show this (in a reasonably safe way) than by running into people on sidewalks? Or at least by running into people you’re pretty sure won’t punch you for it.
When you walk in large cities, you might notice the propensity of people, especially young women, not to move around you when you’re walking towards one another. Sometimes they will deliberately try and cut you off, expecting you’ll concede space. Don’t. Aside from those with infirmities, the elderly or parents with young children, plough through.
Last month, one middle-aged woman … refused to make way … Oh well, my bag ran into her. And it hurt. Too bad for her.
TOTAL ALPHA MOVE.
Oh, and for maximum benefit, do this in front of the Hot Babes you’re trying to impress. I mean, duh.
When you’re with your girl, a female target or just female friends, try things like this out. There’s a time and place for etiquette and politeness but at least 90% of the time, barring those with mobility issues, it isn’t on the streets you walk.
You can also try getting mad at people who blow cigarette smoke in your general direction.
I also (calmly) confront those who blow tobacco smoke in my face accidentally, half- or full-daring them to try again (depending on whether I’m being sarcastic or plain condescending).
After explicitly telling his readers to do all this in front of “your girl, a female target or just female friends” in order to convince them in a low-risk way how potentially violent they are, Garrett assures us that he totally acts this way even when there are no HB8’s in sight.
If an alpha male falls in the forest, and there’s no HB8 to hear him, does he make a sound? Garrett says YES and pumps his fists.
Rather than being a staged action, it’s who I am, someone utterly repulsed by cigarette fumes. I would do the same thing alone or with a girl. … The context is more like becoming who you really are, rather than what society has demanded you be: the timid, ball-less gentleman.
Oh, but don’t do any of this with, you know, black dudes, or anyone else who might actually punch you.
I am going to suggest to you that making retaliatory or wisecracking comments to abrasive males in the projects of Detroit or the Bronx, or the non-tourist suburbs of Moscow, is maybe not worth the effort (or the dental bill).
I mean, BECOME WHO YOU ARE but only with people smaller than you, and who probably don’t have friends in the vicinity who might punch you. Seriously, you may want to stick to middle-aged women you can “accidentally” hit with your bag.
Because nothing turns the hot babes on more than a dude who “accidentally” hits middle-aged women with his bag.
Hobbes–seriously give up. You’re not gonna make this happen. The criticism of that gunwoman has exactly zero to do with her running afoul of feminists and everything to do with it’s fucking insane for anyone to pop off shot all willy nilly in public in order to rescue some power tools. This isn’t even apples and oranges. More like apples and kitty litter. Totally unrelated things.
Maybe he doesn’t make an exception for the elderly because of courtesy, but because he tried this once on an old lady and got his ass kicked.
It may have worked for Richard Ashcroft in the Bittersweet Symphony video in the 90s, but nah.
It’s funny how things that make you “alpha” are behaviors that will invariably make other people shun you to the point where only the worst people on 4chan and RoK can bear being in your vicinity.
Your point seem more to try to put together random sentence and see what stick on the wall.
(I should have quoted Hobbes)
@ ZEL
I think there are 2 main reasons for that syndrome (which I’m also very familiar with)
Firstly such people have nothing to prove. It’s about being confident in your own worth and abilities. As we’ve discussed before most male to male violence is ritualistic rather than practical. It’s display behaviour and posturing for people who feel the need for status due to insecurity.
Secondly, if you have any experience of real, rather than ritual, violence you appreciate just how risky any encounter may be. Anything can happen, no matter how skilled and people with experience are used to assessing risk/reward in a military context. They recognise that some things just aren’t worth fighting for.
hobbes, if you’re going to troll, please be funny. this is just really boring.
….I’d be likely to utilize a situation where one of these lame bag-o-dicks walking closest to the street, as was polite in Victorian times for men to do, by waiting for a large vehicle and then shoulder-checking them into the oncoming traffic. Probably for the best that things have changed since Victorian times. 😉
So many of these dudes come across as whining entitled brats (including the ones who are at least in their late 30’s or older), pissed at their mom for their parents divorcing, incapable of seeing the reasons women aren’t into them have nothing to do with cock carousels/wanting only Brad PItt types/The degenerate disease of the mind that is feminism/etc and all about the fact that they treat women like they’re supposed to be on-demand sexual service delivery units, are being too picky by expecting a guy to not be a rapist, shower, wipe his ass, and be grateful that one of these cretins has expressed interest in tolerating the bearer of a vagina. I read as much of Rodger’s manifesto as I could stomach – even the descriptions he wrote of each year starting from *birth* FFS – FROM BIRTH! EACH YEAR! were tedious and whiny, it’s shocking that he ever had friends! It wasn’t because he was of mixed race, and it wasn’t because he was short, the reason girls weren’t into him was his attitude! He threw tantrums to get his way well into high school even! He was also highly allergic to doing actual work, so without a total 180 change there wouldn’t have been a hope or prayer for success in his future. Men shouldn’t see him as anything to aspire to, or a martyr for a cause. Whether there could have been things done to prevent him from becoming a killer is definitely a yes, but whether those would include interventions that might have succeeded in putting him onto a better path entirely is less certain. Looking at his manifesto that reviewed each year of life, some behaviors would need to have been dealt with when he was very very young, and he definitely could have gotten some psychotherapy much earlier than he did to deal with his feelings regarding his parents’ divorce and difficulty with peers. But the guys who see the world the same way as Rodgers did – entirely against them and understandable why he would go and do what he did – are concerning and in need of real help to fix what’s ‘broken’ in them.
“Real” conversation between my two cats just now:
Fingie: ooh that shelf looks comfy. can i join?
Desi: i was trying to sleep
Fingie: ok i’m coming up there to sleep as well
Desi: but you are too big
Fingie: ok hold on i’m coming up
Desi: but no
Finge: if you move over a little
Desi: but-
Fingie: see? plenty of room
Desi: 🙁
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@ nohoneymoon
That video was filmed on my old Street. Heard that song so many times whilst they shot it outside my window I still can’t stand it.
There’s a follow up video, Vindaloo by Fat Les where the guy bumps into people with more realistic consequences.
I don’t think it’d matter. Dude’s had more throwaway socks than a Fathers’ Day sale.
Eek, I do remember a time when I bought into the whole myth of “women are attracted to assholes so I need to act like an asshole”.
When being an asshole didn’t make me attractive I was like “geez, I must be clearly bad at being an asshole”. Oh hindsight.
:/
To this day it still baffles me as to why it’s such a popular myth.
“female target”
As Judas and WWTH pointed out before me…
…ew! I don’t want to be compared to a “target”, thank you!
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“the projects of Detroit”
I was actually born in Kansas, but yes, I currently live in Detroit. Been raised in Detroit. Lived in the same house for 26 years… IN DETROIT. I cannot tell you how much the Detroit stereotypes bug me to no end. No, I’m not saying that this city’s perfect, no, but every resident doesn’t live in the freakin’ projects here. CRI-MI-NY.
And this is the same person who would ram ladies in the sidewalk, but nope! “Black men in Detroit/the Bronx are the REAL evil men! It’s only okay if I’M harassing the feeeemale targets!”
Oh, the utter hipocrisy.
@Alan Robertshaw Ha! I’d forgotten all about Vindaloo, and now it’s stuck in my head for the rest of the night, probably.
Bittersweet Symphony was played everywhere for months after it came out too; that must have driven you nuts!
So let me see if I have this… Fake it until you “make it”, at which point always “make it” except when “making it” might land you a beat down, in which case just go back to faking it.
That makes perfect sense. And of course, you can always tell just by looking at someone how likely it is that they would react by making a scene, or even with violence, if you smack into them.
@Thomas Hobbes – your point is bad and you should feel bad.
Seriously, what is this? I admit I’m relatively new here, but wow. There’s stupid, and then there’s… whatever this is. I saw someone upthread mention this person is basically just a troll, so I suppose that explains it. “Planned Parenthood drones” made me laugh, I’ve never heard that one before!
These guys are all convert to the church of “Woman as Vending Machine” — if I drop in enough coinage (kindness from “nice guys”, negging and “alpha” behavior from MRAs and PUA) sex will fall out.
In related news: this shit
@Drezden
That even made the news here in Sweden. Infuriating as fuck.
@ nohoneymoon
Nah na nah, nah na nah, nah na nah nah nah nah nah!
Funnily enough Richard Ashcroft and the Verve don’t make a single penny off that song, the Rolling Stones get all the royalties. I used that as an example in a music law series I did for the radio on time.
Moocow:
Your comment about being an asshole and not attracting women reminds me of something my husband told me about his unsuccessful dating techniques.
For some reason, he thought of dating as a job interview, or as a situation that called for him to “sell himself.” I think it came from his marketing background.
Anywho, he quickly figured out that women didn’t want to hear about how great/fabulous he is. Instead of getting all “I AM SUCH A GREAT AND NICE GUY WHY CAN’T I GET ANY FROM THESE STUPID HYPERGAMOUS SLUTS”, he actually tried to figure out how to better relate to women, and he discovered that a large part of this is asking them and listening to what they said.
It sounds very similar to your “being an asshole” experience. You didn’t get the results you were seeking, so you changed the approach. Which seems to be the very simple and smart thing to do.
So I wonder, what is with these MRA guys? Are they just that un-self aware? Lazy? Stupid?
I know that there probably isn’t a difinitive answer, but their choices and reactions just seem to be the total opposite of the path of least resistance. It makes no sense.
Goddammit, there’s gotta be someone else who wrote about falcons besides fucking Yeats. Find some other reference, that’s like the third time you’ve pulled out “The Second Coming” and yeah I know that’s what I was thinking of when I dubbed myself Falconer but c’mon, have a little creativity.
@Scribbles: That’s his whole shtick right there. The dead agree with him in emails.
@ raysa and moocow
I find it quite fascinating when people try to apply techniques from business to human interactions like dating. As if sales or interview tactics are skills that you can transfer to that area.
The funny thing is that my job, advocacy, is often referred to as ‘the art of persuasion’ and there we do things exactly the opposite way.
In the school of advocacy techniques that I’m involved in we teach people to just act the way they would in normal human interaction. There are no gimmicks, just talk to people as you would in the real world, whether they be judge or jury. Engage, be prepared to listen and just be straight with people. Treat them like the regular human beings they are. Don’t try to ‘get one over’ on people. They can smell that a mile off.
That’s what builds trust. Then people will engage with you and be willing to consider what you say.
@rsysa… I always treat job interviews like dates, if there is no ‘chemistry’ in the first five seconds, then its just a pleasant chat where you have conversations about stuff and respectfully express opinions and go your separate ways. Maybe follow up in a friendly way but with no expectations and more enjoyable chats.
Katz,
Maybe. My grandmother fended off a mugger once and he ran away. Now that she’s 90 and on an oxygen tank she’d be easy to knock over, but 20 years ago, you wouldn’t want to tussle with her. As a working class orphan who raised 7 kids, she’s way tougher than any of these wannabe alpha males.